Re: [OSM-talk] An import in New Zealand, assistance requested

2017-08-16 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
>They have data for all of New Zealand 's roads, released under a license which is compatible with that of OSM. Has the Open Data license been cleared by the legal working group? Fairly recently some data was imported from the City of

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-06-30 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
>>Especially when the only imagery available is Landsat I remember the days when it was trudge out in the rain with the Garmin then upload the GPS traces only to find a straight road was no longer straight because of the wet leaves in the trees above. Cheerio John On 30 June 2017 at 15:03,

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-06-30 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
Doing nothing for the moment looks extremely good to me. Compared to many other areas of the world such as Germany and the UK we have many fewer mappers per square kilometer. As James has stated this sort of clean up requires fairly specialised resources that realistically we don't have in

Re: [Talk-ca] Radio-Canada - Carte Google premières nations est la meilleure - Réagissez

2017-06-29 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
The Northwest Territories has 11 official languages by the way. Cheerio John 2017-06-29 14:49 GMT-04:00 john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>: > Have we any contacts at INAC? This strikes me as being something the > locals are best equipped to handle especially if we point out w

Re: [Talk-ca] Radio-Canada - Carte Google premières nations est la meilleure - Réagissez

2017-06-29 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
Have we any contacts at INAC? This strikes me as being something the locals are best equipped to handle especially if we point out we can handle the native script for names. I think INAC are best placed to coordinate this or possibly gov.nt.ca. Cheerio John 2017-06-29 14:30 GMT-04:00 James

Re: [OSM-talk] Editing problem?

2017-06-18 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
When you mix new users with iD and OSM all sorts of strange things happen. For example there seems to be a large number of Zebra pedestrian crossings in rural Africa so unfortunately I suspect its a finger problem. iD does a very good job of guiding people but its very difficult to make anything

Re: [Talk-ca] Add data of the City of Rouyn-Noranda, Québec, Canada

2017-06-17 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
To split hairs if you use the same license as Ottawa is using which is based on the TB Open Data license except it changes the wording slightly to reflect a municipality you should be fine but as Stewart comments it does need a formal approval by the legal working group. The TB license is

Re: [Talk-ca] Add data of the City of Rouyn-Noranda, Québec, Canada

2017-06-17 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
It depends on the Open Data license. We've done it for Ottawa. If your license follows the federal government treasury board open data license 2.0 then it still has to be approved but that's a sort of formality. If its home brewed or created in house then its a much longer process. TB are in

Re: [Talk-ca] OGL licenses

2017-06-02 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
Treasury Board Canada's Open Data License 2.0 has been reviewed by the legal working group and deemed OK. The City of Ottawa's license which was derived from the TB one has been accepted. TB is coming out with a tool kit for open data for the municipalities which includes the suggested licence.

Re: [OSM-talk] Street Complete

2017-06-02 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
and whilst street complete offers much potential there is a need to discuss how to get the best out of such tools. Cheerio John On 2 June 2017 at 09:47, Clifford Snow wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Sebastiaan Couwenberg > wrote: > >>

[Talk-ca] Fwd: News from OpenGovCan/Nouvelles de GouvOuvCan

2017-05-25 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
>*Something we’re working on:* The Government of Canada, with Open North , is currently piloting the development of a do-it-yourself (DIY) open data toolkit for municipalities. The toolkit will cover a range of topics, including open data governance, principles and

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Stats site kickstarter

2017-04-14 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
I think my concern is more to do with if its worth doing then OSMF is probably a more efficient way to do it. Kickstarter takes a % and additionally what happens to any funds left over? It's very rare that any project spends the exact amount it was projected to cost. Cheerio John On 14 April

Re: [OSM-talk] Looking for "primary language" map

2017-04-10 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
Orleans is part of Ottawa and all street names signs are bilingual or in the process of being replaced by bilingual ones. Certainly the street I live on in Orleans has a bilingual street name sign. The English French question is very much political in Canada and I suspect much of the world.

Re: [OSM-talk] The Top Ten Tasks list

2017-04-07 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
>Worksforme Whether it works or not is not the point. It definitely shows an invalid certificate for me. This is simply poor security practise. Cheerio John On 7 April 2017 at 07:21, Éric Gillet wrote: > 2017-04-07 12:11 GMT+02:00 David Earl

Re: [Talk-ca] Happy Valley-Goose Bay, Labrador, Canada Data

2017-04-03 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
pen Data is used the license might be an issue. Cheerio John On 3 April 2017 at 17:22, Stewart C. Russell <scr...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 2017-04-03 01:22 PM, john whelan wrote: > > … At the municipal level the license has been approved by > > OpenStreetMap's legal working group.

Re: [Talk-ca] Happy Valley-Goose Bay, Labrador, Canada Data

2017-04-03 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
Treasury Board put a fair bit of effort into an Open Data licence. The City of Ottawa has adopted it with some minor changes. At the municipal level the license has been approved by OpenStreetMap's legal working group. I would suggest step one would be to have your data formally approved with

Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] A tool for picking up settlements tagged as a single building?

2017-03-26 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
Cheers, and hurray for JOSM and its incredible functionality! > > Polyglot > > 2017-03-26 1:51 GMT+01:00 john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>: > >> I'll need to play around but by using building followed by remove addr, >> name etc I can start to pick them out. Wh

Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] A tool for picking up settlements tagged as a single building?

2017-03-25 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
first saw your message, I looked into Overpass API, but no luck. In > JOSM areasize would definitely work. You'll have to find a sweetspot around > 100- > > so > > building areasize:100- > > or possibly 500 or 1000. > > Polyglot > > 2017-03-25 19:34 GMT+01:00 john whe

Re: [OSM-talk] A tool for picking up settlements tagged as a single building?

2017-03-25 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
ierre > > > -- > *De :* john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> > *À :* OpenStreetMap talk mailing list <talk@openstreetmap.org> > *Cc :* "h...@openstreetmap.org" <h...@openstreetmap.org> > *Envoyé le :* samedi 25 mars 2017 13h28

[OSM-talk] A tool for picking up settlements tagged as a single building?

2017-03-25 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
It's something I've noticed in Africa so its probably not putting new mappers through a month's training first but many villages have been mapped but tagged as a single building with building=yes. They aren't grouped together but rural Africa doesn't have that many large foot print buildings so

Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing broken multipolygons, some notes

2017-03-18 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
There has been some discussion on the HOT mailing list that makes things a bit clearer. OSM in general has a fair number of things that have been added in a less than ideal way. It can be difficult to correct some things as we have guidelines or recommended practises as opposed to hard and fast

Re: [OSM-talk] What can we offer local government?

2017-03-15 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
Nice one James. Thanks John On 15 March 2017 at 08:38, James wrote: > The city of Ottawa already uses OSM in their opendata portal: > http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/sledding-hills > http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/neighbourhood-names >

[OSM-talk] What can we offer local government?

2017-03-14 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
Do we have a wiki entry on this subject? It has come up a couple of times. Locally this morning talking to the guy who supplies us with Ottawa bus stops under an approved open data licence. It only took five years from start to finish to get it approved on both sides. It has also come up in

Re: [Talk-ca] Municipal boundaries

2017-03-09 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
and just to add to the confusion Canada Post has its own set of rules. For example my official Canada Post address is Orleans yet no such municipality or town has ever existed. There are other examples of Canada Post giving areas names. Cheerio John On 9 March 2017 at 08:55, Stewart C. Russell

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing with Statistics Canada (Ottawa ODL 2.0 is go!)

2017-03-04 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
I assume then this means that other municipalities that use the municipal 2.0 version of the Treasury Board Open Data License can now have their bus stops imported if the local mappers wish to do so? Thanks John On 3 March 2017 at 21:15, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > I just got

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

2017-02-06 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
My recommendation and it is only a recommendation is we wait until we hear back from the working group. We seem to have an issue with who has the authority to give permission both on our own side and within various levels of government and what the wording of the permission means. The idea that

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM for government (joost schouppe)

2017-02-03 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
We have something similar in Ottawa, three bits of Government, Gatineau, Ottawa and a federal body called the NCC. Each have their own maps that overlap of their paths for cyclists. OSM is more complete than anything but all three do have Open Data with I understand designated cycle paths. They

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM for government

2017-02-03 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
A couple of the city of Ottawa web sites use the osm map. Ottawa Hydro which is owned by the City for example. I think the UK has imported all the bus stops and there are tools to import the GTFS format transit data but that depends on the license of course. Cheerio John On 3 February 2017 at

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM for government

2017-02-03 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
The only OSM based project I know of at Stats Canada is the building project. The Census is something completely different. The sort of issues that are coming up are questions on data quality and can some Open Data be integrated into OSM. Another problem is inconsistent tagging. At the end of

Re: [OSM-talk] Limiting changesets to 10k changes.

2017-01-31 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
Sounds good to me for a number of reasons. Cheerio John On 31 Jan 2017 1:10 pm, "Guillaume Rischard" wrote: > Hello everyone, > > There's a pull request to limit changesets to 10k changes, and it would be > good to get community input. > > I've opened a discussion

Re: [OSM-talk] Untagged Nodes and Ways

2017-01-30 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
I seem to recall that JOSM allows you to pick and choose what to validate both for what is in JOSM and what should be validated on uploading. It's quite useful in that you can just validate for duplicate ways or select highway=whatever then check for crossing ways. If you're mapping in Africa

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

2017-01-30 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
> The Telenav mapping team has been looking at some other datasets that were published under versions of this ODL and had our legal counsel review this with regard to ODbL compatibility. I am asking them for an update on this, hoping this will help move things along. Has anyone taken into account

Re: [OSM-talk] Untagged Nodes and Ways

2017-01-30 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
> I think a hint like JOSM presents you when you try to upload an untagged way or node (that aren't part of a relation either) should be sufficient. I wouldn't reject those ways by the api. There might also be some sense in this, e.g. when working on big things a mapper might want to upload part

Re: [OSM-talk] Untagged Nodes and Ways

2017-01-28 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
> It's true untagged ways don't render, trivial amount of disk space, and they don't route. What they do is create work to fixed or remove them. At one time in life I was a quality person with a goal of creating systems to do it right the first time. My sense is that it isn't a new user problem,

Re: [OSM-talk] Untagged Nodes and Ways

2017-01-28 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
jt1...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 29/01/2017 00:17, john whelan wrote: > > I'm wandering through Africa at the moment basically tagging untagged ways > and area=yes. I think I've corrected several thousand but something that > I've just hit are boxes tagged hires=yes or no. > > &g

Re: [OSM-talk] Untagged Nodes and Ways

2017-01-28 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
I'm wandering through Africa at the moment basically tagging untagged ways and area=yes. I think I've corrected several thousand but something that I've just hit are boxes tagged hires=yes or no. Most are more than a year old. These I'm unsure what to do with them if anything should they simply

Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

2017-01-27 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
Note to Dennis: Apparently it appears that all the data brought in from the Federal Government Open Data portal and from Vancouver were not brought in under the Open Data License but under some private arrangement by Paul Norman. The Metrolink address data import from the Open Government Portal

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-25 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
I'm under the impression that we are talking about two things. The first is the Open Data licence which I think we are agreed is roughly the same except that BC governments reference the BC privacy law, the Ontario ones the Ontario privacy law and the Federal Government references the Federal

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-24 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
at 20:38, Paul Norman <penor...@mac.com> wrote: > On 1/21/2017 3:11 PM, Paul Norman wrote: > > On 1/20/2017 5:33 PM, john whelan wrote: > > Did you include permission for the bus stops as well? They are from the > same source and the same licence. I think I might have included

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-22 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
to stop building:levels, and postcode etc. being added to a node. This was the file that Metrolink used to add addresses in the Toronto area. It also has the benefit that it uses less storage in the OSM database. Cheerio John On 21 January 2017 at 21:34, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-21 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
have from civil servants. Cheerio John On 21 January 2017 at 19:37, Paul Norman <penor...@mac.com> wrote: > On 1/21/2017 4:34 PM, john whelan wrote: > >> What you have is an interpretation of the Federal Government license. >> From my background in the civil service m

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-21 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
What you have is an interpretation of the Federal Government license. From my background in the civil service my understanding is for a statement it would have to be over a minister's signature or by act of parliament. No one else has the authority unless it is delegated. Cheerio John On 21

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-21 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
aul Norman <penor...@mac.com> wrote: > On 1/20/2017 5:33 PM, john whelan wrote: > >> Did you include permission for the bus stops as well? They are from the >> same source and the same licence. I think I might have included one pitch >> sport soccer. The pitch was mappe

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-20 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
Essentially OSM is not well set up to handle these sort of issues. Normally interpretations are base on custom and practice. The wording is slightly different between the two licences. OSM decision making for local matters is normally left to local mappers. So the decision to allow the import

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-20 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
Did you include permission for the bus stops as well? They are from the same source and the same licence. I think I might have included one pitch sport soccer. The pitch was mapped but the sport soccer was I must confess taken from their open data source. Thanks John On 20 Jan 2017 8:17 pm,

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-20 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
We spent four years working with Treasury Board and Ottawa on the Open Data Licence and they took extensive consultations. Given four lawyers I'm sure one will say it isn't compatible but the feeling at Treasury Board was it is and the Ottawa license is based on the TB license. This particular

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-20 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
We aren't talking about removing all the bus stops in Ottawa again are we? I thought we'd been through the licensing issues before and for those of us without cars knowing the bus stop number is extremely useful. Thanks Cheerio John On 20 January 2017 at 16:06, Martijn van Exel

Re: [OSM-talk] Lots of small copies of existing relations

2017-01-11 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
I'm working with another fairly experienced mapper who uses iD and we have noticed that some duplicates are happening. In our case its duplicate highway nodes, the mapper concerned thought that iD had lost them and reuploaded them. Not very helpful but it is an indication of a minor problem.

[Talk-ca] building guidelines for Canada

2017-01-10 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
We have map features fine but there are a couple of things that don't seem to be as granular or directly applicable. So suggested guidelines please. The first is a strip mall with businesses inside. All the businesses have the same street number and postcode so they can be attached to the

Re: [OSM-talk] Automated wifi=* edits

2017-01-09 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
Since we can now pull in large amounts of the map into 64 bit JOSM, use search to find them, and then add them to the to-do list plugin I wonder if that might be a better way to do it. Download yesterday's map for a country, chop it up with osmconvert64 into small enough pieces to load up into

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-06 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
from one part of the EU to another health coverage is automatically available. Europe is different to Canada. Cheerio John On 6 January 2017 at 13:04, Christoph Hormann <chris_horm...@gmx.de> wrote: > On Friday 06 January 2017, john whelan wrote: > > > > I think we should be

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia/Wikidata admins cleanup

2017-01-06 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
I think one issue to try and define is what is the local community? Canada is big, parts are closer to London UK than Vancouver. Yes we have a bandwidth of opinions but so does the rest of OSM. At the moment I'm trying to clean up a bit in Africa. In many parts there is no local community.

[OSM-talk] Data Quality

2016-12-30 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
There has been some recent traffic about new users and the occasional problems they cause. The recent traffic was about Pokemon. In HOT in theory new users work is validated. In practise its only when a tile is completed and even then most tiles aren't checked. Somewhere the number of edits

Re: [Talk-ca] Community Conduct

2016-12-22 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
My expectation is the full City of Ottawa building foot print file will be made available around the twelfth of January on their Open Data portal. Although the formal decision has been made apparently they allow their employees to take vacation from time to time hence the delay. At which point

Re: [Talk-ca] Community Conduct

2016-12-22 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
> no one maps Gatineau(seriously, maybe cause it's the French side?) Tact my son tact, look the word up in the dictionary or you'll have Pierre descending on Ottawa demanding double Lattes. Cheerio John On 22 December 2016 at 18:40, James wrote: > Paul, I am aware of

Re: [Talk-ca] Community Conduct

2016-12-22 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
Ask him to show you his gaming mouse with the Hyperglide teflon engineered mouse skates. Cheerio John On 22 December 2016 at 16:28, Michael Reichert wrote: > Hi James, > > Am 22.12.2016 um 21:23 schrieb James: > > And suddenly the osmcha disapproval from Nakaner(Michael has >

[Talk-ca] Community conduct / mapping

2016-12-22 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
Just a gentle comment. We do have mappers on the ground in Ottawa/Gatineau and we do talk face to face believe it or not and we have been known to discuss things over coffee. We have ways of disciplining tatty mappers, they get to buy the next round of coffee. Our local mappers have been known

Re: [OSM-talk] Building Detection using Machine Learning

2016-12-22 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
and that makes a lot of sense. Thanks John On 21 December 2016 at 19:58, Frederik Ramm <frede...@remote.org> wrote: > Hi, > > On 12/22/2016 01:10 AM, john whelan wrote: > > Do we have any guidelines in the wiki etc? > > Nothing specific, no. > > Automated editi

[OSM-talk] Building Detection using Machine Learning

2016-12-21 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
Do we have any guidelines in the wiki etc? I'm not intending doing any but the topic has come up once or twice and has currently been raised in the HOT mailing list. I'm almost certain that as the accuracy improves so the topic will come up again and we should at least have some guidelines in

Re: [OSM-talk] Mozambique's living streets

2016-12-11 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
In Lichinga, Niassa, Mozambique http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/335126704#map=15/-13.3219/35.2649 practically every street is labeled highway=living_street including many that look quite wide to me. In other parts of the city the same type of street when viewed in Bing is labeled residential.

Re: [OSM-talk] Mozambique's living streets

2016-12-11 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
Which icon is it? I was never very good at icons. Thanks John On 11 December 2016 at 07:58, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > On 11 December 2016 at 01:15, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > > But participants > > in the thread were mostly experienced with

Re: [OSM-talk] Mozambique's living streets

2016-12-10 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
o John On 10 December 2016 at 20:17, Pierre Béland <pierz...@yahoo.fr> wrote: > width and lanes keys could be used to provide info about smaller streets. > > > Pierre > > > -- > *De :* Jean-Marc Liotier <j...@liotier.org> > *À

Re: [OSM-talk] Mozambique's living streets

2016-12-10 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
to cover them? Thoughts? Cheerio John On 10 December 2016 at 19:15, Jean-Marc Liotier <j...@liotier.org> wrote: > On 12/10/2016 08:47 PM, john whelan wrote: > > I just did a search on part of Mozambique and came across more than 500 > highway=living_street. > >

[OSM-talk] Mozambique's living streets

2016-12-10 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
I just did a search on part of Mozambique and came across more than 500 highway=living_street. I always understood them to be a European concept highway with signs on the street and a very low max speed. I wouldn't have expected to see so many clustered together in Mozambique. Idle curiosity

Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Help HOT give 10 communities the resources to map!

2016-12-01 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
One of the problems with giving aid is only about a tenth of the money given is used in the way one would hope. Probably the most pressing problem in Africa at the moment is corruption and in many ways aid doesn't help this particular problem. Mapping in OSM is way to assist without fear that

Re: [OSM-talk] Which type of highways are used by routing software?

2016-11-02 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
So to sum up there are router solutions that are flexible enough to be configured with what is in the map except for walking across a pedestrian polygon so highways=track isn't a problem to them. Cycling across a car park doesn't seem to work either by the way. We have a desperate need for

Re: [OSM-talk] Which type of highways are used by routing software?

2016-11-01 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
> Mappers need to tag the truth, how it renders should not be a consideration for mappers. That would be 'ideal', realism strikes and there is a need for rendering the truth is a way that rewards that truth. But we are talking armchair mappers in Africa for the most part often ones who have never

[OSM-talk] Which type of highways are used by routing software?

2016-11-01 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
Obviously if I select bicycle it won't use motorway or footway but in general which highway types are used? Highway=road is avoided by some as it is the original temporary highway type for a GPS track when you don't know if its a motorway or highway=footway with steps but what about

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Hunting area tagging

2016-10-24 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
A very interesting comment, considering the lengths we seem to go to to avoid importing Open Data from official sources. Cheerio John On 24 Oct 2016 7:35 pm, "Pine W" wrote: > Just a comment that I'd be wary of "No hunting", "Hunting allowed", or > "Private property", or

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

2016-10-24 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
Both the City of Ottawa and the Canadian Federal Government have rules in place about bribery and corruption. Buying a civil servant a coffee these days is one of the forbidden activities. I do trust you are not suggesting that illegal methods were used when the data was obtained. The use of

Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa Buildings has the revert finished? Is it safe to add a new Internet cafe yet?

2016-10-24 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
Thanks John On 24 Oct 2016 4:54 pm, "Frederik Ramm" wrote: > John, > >the bulk of the revert has run its course, I'm just sifting through > the remaining incomplete things for a little fixup here and there. I > think normal mapping should be safe now ;) > > Bye >

[Talk-ca] Ottawa Buildings has the revert finished? Is it safe to add a new Internet cafe yet?

2016-10-24 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
Thanks John ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca

Re: [Talk-ca] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

2016-10-19 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
a review here and then you need to allocate > sufficient time afterwards for people to review and to make adjustments > based on the results.* > If you are just going to skim over documentation, what is the point of > creating it? > > On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:28 PM, john whelan <j

Re: [Talk-ca] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

2016-10-19 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
hen add a >> note like this: https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/741666 >> >> >> John >> >> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:57 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> A comment the data is of high quality and the building out

Re: [Talk-ca] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

2016-10-19 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
A comment the data is of high quality and the building outlines are of particular interest to the Stats Canada Project where Statistics Canada is attempting to crowd source adding tags added to non residential buildings within the City of Ottawa and Gatineau. These include the number of levels

Re: [Talk-ca] City of Ottawa imported buildings & addresses

2016-10-18 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
I think it has been mentioned that unfortunately a number of buildings in Ottawa that were deleted already have some of the attributes that Stats Canada are after. I think step one is hands off any mapping of buildings for the moment in Ottawa. That unfortunately includes Stats crowd sourcing

Re: [Talk-ca] The Statistics Canada Project

2016-10-18 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
When I looked through the existing buildings I came across a tag that was ele often with a value of 2 or 3. I suspect this is the number of stories and the same as building:levels which is in wiki/Map_Features. Could any one confirm this as it is one of the attributes that Stats Canada is

[Talk-ca] The Statistics Canada Project

2016-10-17 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
First I'm not running it but I used to work there before I retired and have since have been bribed with a mug of coffee to provide some input so I think have an understanding of what they are trying to do. Essentially they are interested in adding details to non-residential buildings in Ottawa /

Re: [Talk-ca] Avoiding data redundancy

2016-10-17 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
Orleans is one where the postal address does not match the municipal one. Orleans I'd a figment of Canada Post's imagination. Cheerio John On 17 Oct 2016 3:03 pm, "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > Hi Jamie, > > > Seeing as there are boundary polygons for Ottawa, Ontario and

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we send automated "nag" emails?

2016-10-09 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
asis about the proper way to map. My personal preference is to > suggest that other editor out there, where you can draw rectangular > buildings with just 3 mouse clicks. But that one is considered way too > complicated to get going with. So let's not use that. > > Polyglot &

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we send automated "nag" emails?

2016-10-09 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
don't know enough about iD or other editors. Cheerio John On 9 October 2016 at 14:11, Frederik Ramm <frede...@remote.org> wrote: > Hi, > > On 10/09/2016 07:14 PM, john whelan wrote: > > I'm seeing many many ways in the map which are untagged. Some are simply >

[OSM-talk] Should we send automated "nag" emails?

2016-10-09 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
I spend a fair amount of time validating in HOT. This means looking over the work of other mappers. When a tile is marked done I check it and provide feedback. I'm seeing many many ways in the map which are untagged. Some are simply area=yes and I suspect it is not just HOT mappers. To catch

[OSM-talk] Accessibility for the partially sighted

2016-10-01 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
I'm hand holding a government department which is thinking of doing some work with OpenStreetMap. One interesting issue has come up on accessibility and that is access for partially sighted people. There are standards for web sites etc and tools that blind people can use to access them. I'm

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] non-temporary usage of highway=road

2016-09-27 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
I've cced the HOT mailing list as I do a fair amount of validation and highway=road is one of the most common warnings I see from new mappers mapping in maperthons. Can we improve the training or validation? Thanks John On 27 September 2016 at 09:21, Aun Johnsen wrote:

[Talk-ca] Fwd: French street names in Ottawa

2016-09-26 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
​On 26 September 2016 at 15:02, Gordon Dewis wrote: I think John's point is that the official name for "Sparks Street" is "rue Sparks", not "Rue Sparks". If I were to go and confirm street names by conducting an in-the-field survey, I would find that the sign says "rue Sparks

Re: [Talk-ca] French street names in Ottawa

2016-09-26 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
ot;Rue Sparks Street". Whether this follows the rules of > French according to l'Académie française, or some other body, is a > different conversation. If I ask the City of Ottawa, they will tell me "rue > Sparks", and that's what should appear in OSM. > > --G >

Re: [Talk-ca] French street names in Ottawa addr:street:fr

2016-09-26 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
If I load the city up into JOSM it reports 1,306 entries for addr:street:fr. It's not a particularly important entry and its rarely used but politically its important as it is something that only OpenStreetMap and one other mapping system have the data for and can handle rendering in either

Re: [Talk-ca] French street names in Ottawa

2016-09-26 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
gt;> talk-ca-requ...@openstreetmap.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> talk-ca-ow...@openstreetmap.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Talk-ca digest

Re: [OSM-talk] Filling in the gaps in the map with crowdsourcing techniques

2016-09-26 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
available. Cheerio John On 26 September 2016 at 08:59, Dave F <davefoxfa...@btinternet.com> wrote: > > On 25/09/2016 19:11, john whelan wrote: > >> OSMand and POI editing springs to mind... >> > > From evidence of the edits I'm still to be convinced as to the u

[OSM-talk] Filling in the gaps in the map with crowdsourcing techniques

2016-09-25 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
If we go back in time OSM started with people cycling round carrying a GPS tracker device and photographing street signs. Now we have other ways of collecting data and to be honest often it's a matter of ensuring what we have in the map is up to date. Imagery is fine as far as it goes but it

Re: [Talk-ca] Nunavut place names language

2016-09-20 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
someone from Toronto. If you look at the >>>> Government of Nunavut website http://www.gov.nu.ca/ It's landing page >>>> is in English. So it looks to me that the working Language is English. >>>> >>>> How will this affect Apps like Maps.me and OsmAnd? >

Re: [Talk-ca] Nunavut place names language

2016-09-16 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
You realise that the written language is actually European shorthand which was used to record the verbal language. Cheerio John On 16 September 2016 at 17:35, James wrote: > I personally dont mind having it in Native language, but if there is going > to be changed there

Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa has changed its Open Data licence.

2016-09-15 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
When I spoke to the head of OC transpo he assured me that OC transpo has full rights to the information as it created the set of where the bus stops are and maintains this information for disabled access reasons. OC is 100% owned by the city of Ottawa. Cheerio John On 15 September 2016 at 14:13,

Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa has changed its Open Data licence.

2016-09-15 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
I'm fairly certain that the city owns the bus stops and doesn't rent them from a third party. Do you have an example of what to look for for the GTFS data? Thanks John On 14 September 2016 at 22:18, Stewart C. Russell <scr...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 2016-09-14 05:15 PM, john whe

Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa has changed its Open Data licence.

2016-09-14 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
Robert has just added the water fountains as well. http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/public-drinking-water-fountains Cheerio John On 14 September 2016 at 18:30, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote: > I thought it was quite quick as well. Still it gave me something to do in > m

Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa has changed its Open Data licence.

2016-09-14 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
I thought it was quite quick as well. Still it gave me something to do in my retirement lobbying for it for the last few years. Cheerio John On 14 September 2016 at 17:19, James <james2...@gmail.com> wrote: > Only took 3 years.*hurray*! > > On Sep 14, 2016 5:16 PM, "jo

[Talk-ca] Ottawa has changed its Open Data licence.

2016-09-14 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
http://ottawa.ca/en/mobile-apps-and-open-data/open-data-licence-version-20 It should now be aligned with the Federal Government one so that should mean we can import the GTFS bus stop file. In Ottawa unlike some GTFS files the bus stops are very accurate, they carefully recalibrated each one as

Re: [OSM-talk] Working with lat and long simply

2016-09-11 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
which apparently when scanned can invoke OSMand centred on the location. Cheerio John On 10 Sep 2016 11:50 pm, "Oleksiy Muzalyev" <oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch> wrote: > On 10/09/16 23:02, john whelan wrote: > >> >> So essentially we're saying it's just a matte

Re: [OSM-talk] Working with lat and long simply

2016-09-10 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
quot; <lon...@denofr.de> wrote: > On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 04:23:21PM -0400, john whelan wrote: > > I'm not sure that it is an issue. If the lat and long can be extracted > in > > the way that Nomination can handle it isn't an issue. > > > > The bigger issue at the

Re: [OSM-talk] Working with lat and long simply

2016-09-10 Diskussionsfäden john whelan
those without a > PhD in GIS. > > If you have a suggestions -> Nominatim issues: > https://github.com/twain47/Nominatim/issues > > > 2016-09-10 21:34 GMT+02:00 john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>: > >> The issue isn't that nomination won't handle lat and long it is t

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