Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit - elimination of osmarender:nameDirection - blatant tagging for the renderer

2019-03-15 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Why would we want to create new versions of objects just to remove a tag that is not hurting anybody in any way? The correct way to handle this is to add the tag to the list of deprecated tags that should be automatically removed (essentially iD has a list and JOSM has one too), when and if the

Re: [OSM-talk] Your thoughts on osm.org

2019-03-12 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 12.03.2019 um 17:58 schrieb Martijn van Exel: > Hi all, > > Here’s something I ask myself from time to time and would like to hear other > people’s thoughts about. How many times have we had this discussion in the last 15 years? And it will go absolutely no where just as all the previous

Re: [Diversity-talk] Import of information and care points in Catalunya, Spain

2019-03-10 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
While I'm not quite sure why these locations couldn't be surveyed instead of being imported from a third party with completely unclear quality, the more important question is, given the potentially sensitive nature of the information, have the entities in question been asked if they are OK with

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using OpenData from Geoinformationservice Germany Rheinland-Pfalz

2019-03-09 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
See https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_Compatibility#Licences_that_require_downstream_attribution Not news btw, the licence has been the subject of many discussion. The other thing is that they have a nonsense header on that page "Webcontent-Anzeige" which make it rather unclear

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-05 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Hi Benoît My expectation was and is that we are not going to fundamentally change the requirements, but simply be more prescriptive for more use cases. just as you outline. The only case where I currently think it might be necessary to find something "new" are static (aka non-panable and

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-04 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 03.03.2019 um 12:54 schrieb Ineiev: > ... > So, when someone violates that license when using the work of > those contributors, any of them may sue the violator, mayn't they? As the user is operating on a licence from the OSMF, the foundation would have to make the determination that the

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-02 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 02.03.2019 um 17:09 schrieb Ineiev: > Why OSMF? the copyright holders are still the individual mappers---unless > their copyright is transferred to someone else specifically. > Any rights that you might have in your contributions remain yours and there is no copyright assignment, as you may

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-02 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 02.03.2019 um 14:05 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny: > Mar 2, 2019, 12:19 PM by f...@zz.de: > > Yes - we talk nicely - but in > the end nobody is willing to drag them to court. And THAT was the > first > question i had when we talked about relicensing. > > There is a big gap between

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-02 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 02.03.2019 um 16:13 schrieb Florian Lohoff: > > In most jurisdications licensing and trade marks will only hold up > when defended or enforced in court. Once you stop doing so you > might loose your protection. This is nonsense as Mateusz has already pointed out and is not even true for

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-01 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 01.03.2019 um 23:29 schrieb Stefan Keller: > I applaud that the LWG is undertaking an effort to sure up our > attribution guidance. > > IMO the sentence in question MUST be changed from "should" to MUST! The, rather old, issue with that, is that it stops people from providing better

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-01 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 01.03.2019 um 20:20 schrieb Andy Mabbett: > ... > The words you quote don't mean what you seem to think they do; they > certainly do not authorise the OSMF to act as my agent in pursuing > claims with regard to /my/ rights. > ... This is were you are confusing things: while it is true that

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-01 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 01.03.2019 um 14:57 schrieb Florian Lohoff: > ... > So please either enforce the ODbL or relicense to CC0. > > ... It is not a surprise that you are asking that, but just consider what the world would be like if we only had laws that could guaranteed to be 100% enforced. The good news is

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-01 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 01.03.2019 um 12:51 schrieb Christoph Hormann: > ... > What OSMF activity since the license change on this front, in particular > with the community guidelines, has tried to do is to pave over this > conflict by interpreting the ODbL as leniently as possible without this > resulting in

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-01 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 01.03.2019 um 12:49 schrieb Andy Mabbett: > On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 11:05, Mateusz Konieczny > wrote: > >> Additional question - who can file DMCA. AFAIK only OSMF can do that and >> individual >> mappers are unable to do it, right? > I am the copyright owner of my edits. You are the owner of

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-01 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 01.03.2019 um 12:01 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny: > > > > Mar 1, 2019, 11:25 AM by si...@poole.ch: > > And specifically on the issue with Mapbox customers, one of the > results of the 2014 discussions was this statement by Mapbox >

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-01 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 01.03.2019 um 10:48 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny: . > c) I recommend doing this, I tried mailing Mapbox about their > license-breaking > hiding attribution but at first their responded claiming that OSBL > allows that, > after quoting that part of them they went back to not responding > > d)

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-01 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Just a couple of general comments on this. - The LWG is undertaking an effort to sure up our attribution guidance this year see https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licensing_Working_Group/Minutes/2019-01-10 - I would have preferred that the discussion take place when we've actually written

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-01 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 01.03.2019 um 01:12 schrieb Andy Mabbett: > On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 22:35, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > >> "We require that you use the credit “© OpenStreetMap contributors”... >> For a browsable electronic map, the credit should appear in the corner >> of the map." > 28 characters. There are

[OSM-talk] Licence compatibility information

2019-02-14 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
The LWG has recently added a section on licence compatibility to the OSMF website. https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_Compatibility We hope that this will make it easier for community members to determine which licences could potentially be compatible and to provide centralised

Re: [Talk-GB] Greater London Authority

2019-01-13 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
The OGl doesn't make any statements on the status of third party (in this case OSMs) content included in the published dataset. On 13.01.2019 11:31, Brian Prangle wrote: > Does anyone have any contacts in GLA? Came across this entry  at > dat.gov.uk >

Re: [OSM-talk] Can we use PLOS materials?

2019-01-11 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Please see https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/03/17/use-of-cc-by-data/ And really, besides all the other problems with the wiki, deducing anything from the membership of an article in one of the multiple 10'000 essentially random categories is not a good idea. Simon Am 11.01.2019 um 12:01

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Alexa Traffic Rank

2019-01-10 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 10.01.2019 um 12:11 schrieb Sérgio V.: > Ah ok, thank you for both tips. Fortunately I was not phished to > install anything from that site. > Anyway, even if it could be an aleatory coincidence, it seems there's > actually some decrease in editons in recent months,  > according to 

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Alexa Traffic Rank

2019-01-09 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 09.01.2019 um 21:47 schrieb Sérgio V.: > According to "Alexa Traffic Rank":  > "The rank [of openstreetmap.org] declined 517 positions versus the > previous 3 months". > Global Rank: 7,069 > https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/openstreetmap.org > ("The rank is calculated using a combination of

Re: [OSM-talk] What use is OpenStreetMap?

2019-01-03 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
I understood John's question very differently. Essentially as "what are the benefits to our municipality of being present in detail on OSM" not using the data or even contributing to it, just as they are not likely to contemplate that for the goog or Here. My short take on it would be: "because

Re: [OSM-talk] Grab using OSM Data for route preview

2018-12-27 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 26.12.2018 um 11:46 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > It seems more straightforward to fix this upstream rather than asking a > myriad of downstream users to patch it. As it is with one of our most > prominent users, maybe this specific issue should be discussed on the board? > This is not the

Re: [OSM-talk] Grab using OSM Data for route preview

2018-12-22 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
On 22.12.2018 12:44, Christoph Hormann wrote: > .. > Yes, but second rate attribution is such a clear cut case that it could > and should be covered. .. I'm not quite sure what your point is, we've made it clear in the past that click to show attribution is not acceptable outside of a

Re: [OSM-talk] Grab using OSM Data for route preview

2018-12-22 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Just to explain what we are planning: the current attribution guidance on the OSMF website and on openstreetmap.org mostly goes back to before 2012 and there have only been some tweaks to the texts since them. This on the one hand makes it difficult to find statements that we have made on aspects

Re: [Talk-de] BGH Urteil zum Fotografieren in Museen

2018-12-20 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Im wesentlichen ging es darum Geld zum Fenster hinaus zuwerfen. Sinnvoller wäre es gewesen auf den Gesetzgeber etc. einzuwirken, dass der Erhalt von Förderung etc von Museen und ähnlichen Einrichtungen an Bedingungen für den Zugang der Allgemeinheit geknüpft werden, die z.B. das Photographieren

Re: [OSM-talk] Grab using OSM Data for route preview

2018-12-19 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
ent from a phone > >> On 19. Dec 2018, at 10:42, Simon Poole wrote: >> >> A seat on the advisory board requires at least a "gold" level membership >> which costs EUR 1 per year. > ___ > talk mailing list &g

Re: [OSM-talk] Grab using OSM Data for route preview

2018-12-19 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
The LWG has added a work item for 2019 to update the guidance on attribution. The major part of the existing texts were written in the ramp up to the licence change in 2012 and are now over 6 years old.  Lots of things have changed massively since then, be it the scope of OSM usage, to what kind

Re: [OSM-talk] Board decision on Crimea complaint

2018-12-11 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
not being airports because they hadn't designated them as such. Am 11.12.2018 um 14:11 schrieb Colin Smale: > > On 2018-12-11 13:53, Simon Poole wrote: > >> As Frederik pointed out a bit back, this is just kicking the can down >> the road. >> >> We will stil

Re: [OSM-talk] Board decision on Crimea complaint

2018-12-11 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
As Frederik pointed out a bit back, this is just kicking the can down the road. We will still have to make choices and even if that is just to declare that a boundary is disputed (which for example is definitely not something RU agrees with in the case of Crimea) and those choices will be

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF silently sides with Russia?

2018-11-19 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
I've not been involved in this discussion at all, so it wasn't my decision. But as we've repeated time and time again on many occasions, the default borders in OSM are those of de facto control and recording the fact of which country has control has nothing to do if we think that is legit,

Re: [Talk-us] California is too big ;)

2018-11-06 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Jumping in here slightly unwarranted, but what the heck :-). I think the question is less where N vs S California is but more if there is a regional split of California that would make sense from a processing pov. Is for example somebody likely to do something with a North-CA extract, or if you

Re: [Talk-de] POIs - Details - Gerichtsurteil

2018-11-06 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Leute, die DSGVO hat viele Regelungen, gerade wenn es um die Begründung von legitimen Interessen geht (Art 6.1(f)(, die verlangen das eine Abwägung der Interessen (die eigenen Interessen gegen die des Datensubjektes) stattfinden.  Sprich es hängt halt am Schluss von diesen Abwägungen ab ob wir

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #431 2018-10-16-2018-10-22

2018-10-29 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
The point mentioning my pull request https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/pull/2028 is a bit misleading: the PR doesn't just add links, it integrates accepting the ToU in to the signup process. That said, feedback is welcome, best on the PR. Simon Am 27.10.2018 um 16:19

[OSM-legal-talk] ODI geospatial data re-users guide

2018-10-24 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Hi Deborah That sounds like an useful and interesting project. I would however like to note that the warning at the top of the "use case" page is to be taken literally. Neither are the use cases vetted against what has been typically actually been asked (contrary to the thought up use cases)

Re: [OSM-talk] "Travel like a KLocal" series of printed maps

2018-10-09 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 09.10.2018 um 16:48 schrieb Frederik Ramm: > .. > Is this a new phenomenon? Nope, variants of these scams have been around for ages on amazon (for ages==since you can self publish via amazon). Simon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [Talk-GB] Android Auto and OSM

2018-09-24 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
t; get results, but who would fund it? Perhaps a petition to get > visibility for the issue? > > > On Mon, 24 Sep 2018, 01:55 Simon Poole, <mailto:si...@poole.ch>> wrote: > > The question is what not "ignoring this" entails. > > Essentially

Re: [Talk-GB] Android Auto and OSM

2018-09-23 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
The question is what not "ignoring this" entails. Essentially we would need to file a complaint with the respective authorities which afaik even the companies that are directly affected by this (see for example

Re: [Talk-GB] Android Auto and OSM

2018-09-23 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
AFAIK "Android Auto" is actually "google Auto" and simply an app that connects to compatible screens provided by car manufacturers that are in bed with the goog (sometimes in an open relationship complemented with the same from the fruit company). As actually running the app requires selling your

Re: [OSM-talk] United Nations World Geospatial Information Congres (UN-GGIM)

2018-09-21 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Would anybody with connections to OSM be foolhardy enough to participate without a safe passage guarantee or personal diplomatic immunity? Simon Am 21.09.2018 um 13:09 schrieb Frederik Ramm: > Hi, > > On 09/21/18 10:37, Naveen Francis wrote: >> Any participation from openstreetmap community

Re: [Talk-us] NYC Name Vandalism

2018-09-06 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
t; automatically pulled into a local copy? > > (If a changeset has been reviewed by a second person - can that > information be provided). > > All I want is something that allows me to be a little bit more > conservative in accepting edits, without requiring complex processes > or l

Re: [Talk-us] NYC Name Vandalism

2018-09-05 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
osmcha (osmcha.mapbox.com) already does most of this. While detecting vandalism in general is difficult, edits like those in question are easy to detect and small in number. IMHO it really isn't an issue with openstreetmap in this case, as even with the delay (somebody reported the user in

Re: [Talk-GB] un-named roads in UK

2018-08-31 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 30.08.2018 um 23:26 schrieb Mark Goodge: > .. > > This is actually a problem for OSM, as the address tags don't allow > for a house number to be attached to anything other than a street > name. But, in rural areas, it can often be a hamlet name. > > ... Pointing out the obvious, that is what

Re: [Talk-de] Neues Förderangebot von WMDE für Projekte um OSM - Commons

2018-08-30 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Markus Du unterschätzt den Aufwand den es braucht um so etwas wie Mapillary zu betreiben um eine bis zwei Grössenordnungen. Z.B. hat es gute 5 Jahre gebraucht bis der Mapillary Verpixelungsmechanismus auf dem aktuellen, so weit ich es beurteilen kann, sehr guten, Stand war.  Einfach mit Bildern

Re: [Talk-GB] un-named roads in UK

2018-08-30 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
PS: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/48658548 in the example actually does have a sign and may be an exception or simply an error on behalf of the municipality. Am 30.08.2018 um 11:58 schrieb Simon Poole: > > I can't speak specifically for the UK, but in general I would not > consid

Re: [Talk-GB] un-named roads in UK

2018-08-30 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
I can't speak specifically for the UK, but in general I would not consider google of any use at all for determining if a road has a name or not. Wit for example https://www.google.ch/maps/@46.7958402,10.2534831,18z Not a single of those "named-in-google" streets actually has a name. Simon Am

Re: [OSM-talk] Community Data License Agreement – Permissive and ODbL?

2018-08-22 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
as really having the same mission as OSM at all. > > > >> On Aug 22, 2018, at 2:08 PM, Simon Poole > <mailto:si...@poole.ch>> wrote: >> >> WOF as a OSM compeitor. >> >> >> Am 22.08.2018 um 20:06 schrieb Kathleen Lu: >>> >>>

Re: [OSM-talk] Community Data License Agreement – Permissive and ODbL?

2018-08-22 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
WOF as a OSM compeitor. Am 22.08.2018 um 20:06 schrieb Kathleen Lu: > > > PS: long diatribe on why on earth the linux foundation is > supporting an > > OSM competitor not included. > > mmm... this is not good. > Do you know the reasons? > > > Simon - did you mean an OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] Community Data License Agreement – Permissive and ODbL?

2018-08-22 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 22.08.2018 um 19:17 schrieb Simon Poole: > .. but I > wouldn't be surprised if they still had CC BY sources, which as we all > know are not suitable for use in OSM . See https://github.com/whosonfirst/whosonfirst-sources/blob/master/sources/README.md for a long list of sources ,

Re: [OSM-talk] Community Data License Agreement – Permissive and ODbL?

2018-08-22 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Hi Maurizio If the context is actually using data from whosonfirst, I don't believe that this is actually a sensible question. Any data source used by wof that actually has a licence that is suitable for use in OSM could be used directly without the added complication of the linux foundations

Re: [talk-au] City of Gold Coast / repeat requests of CC BY waivers

2018-08-15 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 14.08.2018 um 23:23 schrieb Graeme Fitzpatrick: > > > > On 14 August 2018 at 18:53, Simon Poole <mailto:si...@poole.ch>> wrote: > > Yes, I've received some follow up questions that I'm in the > process of answering now. > > > Thanks Simon!

Re: [talk-au] City of Gold Coast / repeat requests of CC BY waivers

2018-08-14 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 13.08.2018 um 22:50 schrieb Graeme Fitzpatrick: > > > On 13 August 2018 at 17:44, Simon Poole <mailto:si...@poole.ch>> wrote: > >> Could naturally be, they didn't give me details, so it is a bit >> difficult to find out what has gone wrong (if

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

2018-08-13 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 13.08.2018 um 18:46 schrieb Daniel Koć: > W dniu 13.08.2018 o 18:37, Jo pisze: > >> I also don't see a reason to add the OLC codes in tags in the >> database, even if marked on a building. > Since buildings are not guaranteed to fit into OLC rectangles and they > not 1:1 compatible, this

Re: [talk-au] City of Gold Coast / repeat requests of CC BY waivers

2018-08-13 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
hey didn't give me details, so it is a bit difficult to find out what has gone wrong (if anything). I can follow up with them, maybe something simply got lost in the mail. Simon > Thanks > > Graeme > > On 13 August 2018 at 17:07, Simon Poole <mailto:si...@poole.ch>>

[talk-au] City of Gold Coast / repeat requests of CC BY waivers

2018-08-13 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
We've (as in the LWG) have received a mail from the City of Gold Coast concerning multiple repeat requests for CC BY waiver (no need to point out that that can be annoying). IMHO the AUS community already documents what is going on rather well

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

2018-08-11 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Simon > > Thanks John > > On 11 August 2018 at 19:04, Simon Poole <mailto:si...@poole.ch>> wrote: > > > > Am 11.08.2018 um 16:39 schrieb Richard Fairhurst: > >  is a good idea, > > apart from Simon, and even Homer nods sometimes. >

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

2018-08-11 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 11.08.2018 um 16:39 schrieb Richard Fairhurst: >  is a good idea, > apart from Simon, and even Homer nods sometimes. > > Note my opposition, notwithstanding my general concerns about fiddling with the markets, is founded in that plus codes are just simply not very good/fit for purpose.

Re: [OSM-talk] Generic Tasking Manager instances

2018-08-11 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
The instance I ran for many years has been replaced by http://tasks.osm.ch/ that I suspect will again be available for many years to come  (note that the main problem in the past has been that there was typically no way to migrate to newer version which led to people being stuck on old,

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

2018-08-11 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
uld Nomination, Osmand or OSM be liable if we > implement it? > > -- > Andrew > ---- > *From:* Simon Poole > *Sent:* 11 August 2018 09:43 > *To:* Blake Girardot > *Cc:* OpenStreetMap > *Subject:* Re: [OSM-ta

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

2018-08-11 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 10.08.2018 um 23:25 schrieb Blake Girardot: > Is that not the reason OSM was started in the first place? :) It is slightly different in more than one way for a monopoly owner to pre-emptively create and promote a free system  to stop a competitor from gaining a foothold in a potential new

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

2018-08-11 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 11.08.2018 um 01:19 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > While it is true that both parties have economic interest in this, plus codes > are both, free to use and open source, unlike their 3 words competitor. Even > if w3w „wins“ we would likely not be interested in promoting them on OSMF >

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

2018-08-10 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 10.08.2018 um 22:18 schrieb Oleksiy Muzalyev: > ... > > The OLC is Open Source with the Apache 2.0 license. I have a doubt > though, - cannot Google in couple of years say: "We change the license > and not one has to pay for the OLC usage?" I am not a lawyer and I do > not know such

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

2018-08-10 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 10.08.2018 um 22:14 schrieb Blake Girardot HOT/OSM: > ... > Our community should have a say in what wins, we can try them both, > but here is a local group asking us to try plus codes and there is a > lot of momentum behind it. In the case of w3w one can actually make a technical case for

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

2018-08-10 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
While the goals sound worthy, it is unclear if any of the grid systems (w3w, plus codes and so on) deliver on their promises and have any traction outside of people in countries with established addressing systems trying to push them as solutions for countries without. As I've pointed out

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Draft Terms of use for the OSM website, API and other services

2018-08-09 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 08.08.2018 um 19:14 schrieb Michael Reichert: > .. > I read the draft and I think that is far too long. It does not invited > to be read by the users. This can lead to following issues: Just to be clear, we (the LWG) would prefer that it be shorter too, it is just the amount of territory that

Re: [Talk-GB] 'D' class roads references.

2018-08-06 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
The background here is that the UK, AUS and NZ (these are the ones I'm aware of, of the former UK colonies India and the US have moved away from this but used to have similar issues) have very strong "sweat of the brow" doctrines that essentially lead to there being no creativity and originality

Re: [OSM-talk] "Nearby features" does no longer work:

2018-08-05 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
This is already being taken care of (the operator of the Overpass API is aware of the problem). Simon Am 05.08.2018 um 10:18 schrieb Rainer Bielefeld: > Hello, > > known problem? > > Tryin go use [?] - feature I get "Error contacting > https://overpass-api.de/api/interpreter: " > >

[OSM-talk] Draft Terms of use for the OSM website, API and other services

2018-07-29 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Hi all Thanks to work by Kathleen Lu we have a draft Terms of Use document. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xtPjrTj09vQLloKmzyf-H-5mKtqh-vbPjsxE-5YRF5g/edit?usp=sharing This is a first for

Re: [OSM-talk] WMF: "Interactive maps, now in your language"

2018-07-01 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
01.07.2018 um 17:17 schrieb Christian Rogel: > > >> Le 30 juin 2018 à 11:56, Simon Poole > <mailto:si...@poole.ch>> a écrit : >> >> As already has been pointed out nobody is even remotely proposing to >> limit adding actual real names, quite the contrary. >

Re: [OSM-talk] WMF: "Interactive maps, now in your language"

2018-06-30 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
abbett > *Sent:* 29 June 2018 12:21:06 > *To:* OSM talk mailing list > *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk] WMF: "Interactive maps, now in your language" >   > On 29 June 2018 at 11:57, Simon Poole wrote: > > >> On 29.06.2018 12:18, Andy Mabbett wrote: > > >>> Ne

Re: [OSM-talk] WMF: "Interactive maps, now in your language"

2018-06-29 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 29.06.2018 um 13:21 schrieb Andy Mabbett: > ... > Nor are they. > > I expected some negativity in response to this remarkable good news; > but this hyperbolic response is beyond acceptable. So you are denying that they are asking their users to add names to OSM so that their application looks

Re: [OSM-talk] WMF: "Interactive maps, now in your language"

2018-06-29 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Not only that. It confuses "translations" with "names commonly in use for the place in your language" we only want the later in OSM. If the WMF wants the former in WD that is their call (the rather small place (3'000 pop)I live in has name entries in 30 languages, even though there are at most 2

Re: [talk-au] Mapping houses and addresses in Sydney

2018-06-17 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
There are a number of task manger instances run outside of HOT (which would really really not be an appropriate one). It's on the other side of the world but please feel free to use our (SOSM) instance  http://tasks.osm.ch/ (which is currently mainly used for coordinating an address import).

Re: [Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 127, Issue 11

2018-06-13 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
>> in Price George...) (Robert Yaklin) >>3. Re: Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import >> in Price George...) (Marc Gemis) >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 05:47:27 +0200 >> From:

Re: [Talk-GB] Has someone just given us (the start of) access to the crown jewels?

2018-06-13 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Most of the time such much applauded changes in policy work mainly for the big guys (aka the goog, here and tomtom), by lowering the costs to have similar level of non-automotive related detail as the national mapping agencies and OSM. I don't quite see and haven't seen in other countries, even in

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM based mobile app that allows additional vector data to be loaded

2018-06-10 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
17.03.2018 um 14:01 schrieb Simon Poole: > > > Naturally you can load gps files (with way points) in Vespucci too, > but probably more relevant to the question: you can load custom task > files a simplified OSMOSE format. Low priority I've been thinking of > adding a "GIS data&q

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

2018-06-10 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 10.06.2018 um 05:21 schrieb Bryan Housel: >> I'm also interested in how others feel about Slack. Is it good for the >> community or should we look elsewhere? > Glad you asked! I think Slack has changed the way I work for the better. > > Here are some advantages.. > * lower barrier to entry

[OSM-talk] 1st version GDPR orientated privacy policy

2018-06-08 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
I've just updated the OSMF privacy policy to a version that takes the GDPR  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation in to account and that was approved by circular by the OSMF board. This is still a work in progress and we know that there are a couple of points that need

Re: [OSM-talk] Remote Sensing / DOP / DIY people

2018-06-03 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 03.06.2018 um 12:14 schrieb Florian Lohoff: > On Sat, Jun 02, 2018 at 12:03:04PM -0400, john whelan wrote: >> I think one problem with drones is they need special permission or there >> are rules about who and where they can be operated in many parts of the >> world. Some are capable of cm

Re: [OSM-talk] Remote Sensing / DOP / DIY people

2018-06-03 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 02.06.2018 um 00:45 schrieb James: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kite_aerial_photography#Picavet_suspension > > When I was looking at RC planes, the one that could hold a quality > camera+fly for for a relatively long time is the skywalker X8(~200$ > USD) + batteries, controllers and

Re: [Talk-de] EU-DSGVO

2018-05-17 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 17.05.2018 um 08:04 schrieb Manfred A. Reiter: > [...] > > Ist Dir zufälligerweise bekannt, ob es > eine ähnlich lautende Seite in deutscher (u. a.) Sprache(n) geben wird? Ausser ich mach was (was vor dem 25. kaum passieren wird), unwahrscheinlich. > > Wäre das sinnvoll? Da die Anfragen zum

Re: [Talk-de] EU-DSGVO

2018-05-16 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
IP Adressen gelten als "personal data" (und natürlich wird auch einiges mehr vom Browser übertragen), allerdings werden die Daten so oder so nicht im Auftrag verarbeitet, es gibt also auch keinen Anlass einen DPA abzuschliessen. Siehe auch:

Re: [OSM-talk] Local language help

2018-05-10 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 10. Mai 2018 18:58:04 MESZ schrieb Oleksiy Muzalyev : >On 5/10/2018 5:43 PM, Jo wrote: ... > >Indeed, Swiss German pronunciation differs from the Standard German >significantly, but it is written practically the same as the Standard >German. Just to add a bit

Re: [OSM-talk] Local language help

2018-05-10 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 09.05.2018 um 07:46 schrieb Jo: > > > I expect the same goes for Switzerland (whole country 3-4 official > languages, but at the next geographic level it is clear which language > is spoken/official for which region). > This not correct, while there are regions (as this is not

Re: [Talk-de] Geoportal Wiesbaden WMS

2018-05-09 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Ein freundlicher dezenter Hinweis, dass sie unsere Marke missbrauchen wäre ev. auch noch angebracht. Simon Am 02.05.2018 um 13:09 schrieb Matthias Gutjahr: > Hi Joachim, > > vielen Dank! Bin gespannt auf die Antwort. > > Viele Grüße > Matthias > > Am 2. Mai 2018 um 11:59 schrieb Joachim Kast

Re: [OSM-talk] Using Wikipedia to add names in other languages

2018-05-07 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 05.05.2018 um 14:51 schrieb Maurizio Napolitano: >> Unfortunately, Wikipedia is licensed under CC-BY-SA what is incompatible > with ODBL. > > Finally someone who remembers it > > IMHO: > The quick solution can be to ask the producer the permission to add > the data inserted from wikipedia to

Re: [OSM-talk] Using Wikipedia to add names in other languages

2018-05-07 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 05.05.2018 um 15:58 schrieb Christoph Hormann: > Arguing about licenses and their compatibility does not really help in > this context since having formally compatible license (or the related > argument that Wikidata is CC0 and therefore by definition the license > is a non-issue) would

Re: [OSM-talk] [Diversity-talk] How do you mapping gender neutral toilets? What should the unisex tag mean?

2018-04-26 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Somehow I don't see anything on the wiki page that supports this lengthy thread. The issue may be that there are (at least) two ways to map a toilet facility: - rough, one node or area for the whole thing, indicating that unisex, female and male apply to the options available within, making it

Re: [OSM-talk] GDPR introduction

2018-04-17 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 17.04.2018 um 19:37 schrieb Michael Reichert: > > *Controller vs. processor* > > Chapter "Recommendations", section 3 (page 10) writes: >> Using the data for user and contribution profiling will either require a data >> processing agreement (and a similar agreement for research) or the

Re: [OSM-talk] GDPR introduction

2018-04-17 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 17.04.2018 um 14:14 schrieb Christoph Hormann: > On Tuesday 17 April 2018, Simon Poole wrote: > >> LWG GDPR Position Paper >> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:GDPR_Position_Paper.pdf> >> >> Please feel free to discuss on the talk page >> <

Re: [OSM-talk] External contact channels and GDPR

2018-04-17 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Isn't this a bit a "what if"? Definitely the OSMF is not requiring or asking anybody to discuss topics on media that are not operated by the foundation and as you know provides a variety of options (changeset comments, diaries, mailing lists and forums) that can be used without involving third

[OSM-talk] GDPR introduction

2018-04-17 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
On the 25th of May 2018 the *General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) * will enter in to force, this will likely result in some changes in how OpenStreetMap operates and distributes its data. The LWG has prepared a position paper

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] ODbL text

2018-04-09 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 09.04.2018 um 00:30 schrieb Michael Kugelmann: > On 08.04.2018 at 14:12 Simon Poole wrote: >> PS: that doesn't mean that having our own clean copy as a backup >> wouldn't be a good idea, > I very much encourage the OSMF to host a copy of the license as the > OSMF d

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] ODbL text

2018-04-08 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
ird party publish the text is in principle a good idea for such reasons).   Simon PS: that doesn't mean that having our own clean copy as a backup wouldn't be a good idea, but IMHO the pointer to archive.org is probably the best of all bad solutions right now. > > On Sun, Apr 8, 2018, 5:46

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] ODbL text

2018-04-08 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Currently I'm pointing to http://web.archive.org/web/20180317184051/https://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ however as the opendatacommons.org links are all over the place that isn't really a solution. OKI seems to be aware of the issue, but that is about all what we know (they seem to be

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM based mobile app that allows additional vector data to be loaded

2018-03-17 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Naturally you can load gps files (with way points) in Vespucci too, but probably more relevant to the question: you can load custom task files a simplified OSMOSE format. Low priority I've been thinking of adding a "GIS data" layer support, I'm just not quite sure the use case really exists.

Re: [talk-au] I have written a response to DNRM, please give feedback

2018-03-17 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 16.03.2018 um 15:02 schrieb Jonathon Rossi: > > Agreed, Australia isn't even mentioned. After looking for at the > source of that page I now understand why no one edits it, crazy yaml > and it's localised: >

Re: [talk-au] I have written a response to DNRM, please give feedback

2018-03-14 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Am 14.03.2018 um 22:50 schrieb Graeme Fitzpatrick: > > > OK, a stupid, well & truly outside the box, thought here! :-) > > If we have discussions with CC, is there any possibility of getting > them to write into CC BY 4.5 & following editions, that "by the > Organisation agreeing to the terms of

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