Re: [Talk-us] Nominatim in CDP

2014-06-24 Thread Brian Quinion
Hi, So from my point of view as a nominatim developer the issue is that there are (at least?) 2 types of city in the USA. There are administrative cities and there are postal cities. There are also census areas, which may or may not be their own category of thing. At the moment all of these

Re: [Talk-GB] Cycle routing over uncycleable BOATs

2012-12-20 Thread Brian Quinion
On 20 December 2012 23:36, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: (like the Unfit for Motors question, but for bicycles) I recently noticed that someone's changed the track between Stanage Pole and Redmires west of Sheffield to bicycle=no. It's been a few months since I was there

Re: [Talk-us] First vs 1st

2012-11-29 Thread Brian Quinion
On 28 November 2012 14:28, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 11/28/12 9:23 AM, Peter Dobratz wrote: I think the key word here is abbreviated. In the OSM name, the un-abbreviated form should be used: name=Fourth Street To record the abbreviated form, you could use the following:

Re: [Talk-us] First vs 1st

2012-11-29 Thread Brian Quinion
On 29 November 2012 19:06, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 11/29/12 12:30 PM, Brian Quinion wrote: If you mapped is as above it would work in nominatim since both name and short_name are supported. Translation of 'Street' = 'St' is supported anyway but 'First' = '1st' isn't

Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data

2012-10-31 Thread Brian Quinion
On 31 October 2012 12:25, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Tom Hughes wrote: On 31/10/12 11:58, Steve Doerr wrote: On 31/10/2012 11:54, Tom Hughes wrote: On 31/10/12 11:51, Steve Doerr wrote: On 31/10/2012 11:44, Tom Hughes wrote: On 31/10/12 11:39, Steve Doerr wrote:

Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data

2012-10-31 Thread Brian Quinion
On 31 October 2012 16:59, Kevin Peat k...@k3v.eu wrote: On 31 October 2012 14:50, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: I think this is quite a confusing approach. Post code searches often end up returning the wrong street that is also near the centroid, houses that don't belong to that

Re: [Talk-GB] Boundaries ...

2012-09-23 Thread Brian Quinion
On 23 September 2012 15:21, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: CP is part of the name in the OS Boundary-Line data. There doesn't seem to be any consensus or guidelines about what to put in the name tag. Should it be Dartford or Dartford Borough or Borough of Dartford or Dartford Council

[OSM-talk] Nominatim data and code updates

2012-08-26 Thread Brian Quinion
tl;dr: nominatim is updated (data and code), add wikipedia tags and label/admin_centre relation member to improve search quality. As some of you may have noticed Sarah (lonvia) has been busy updating the openstreetmap nominatim instance. It should now be fully up to date and back running live

Re: [Talk-us] administrative boundaries and Nominatim

2012-08-01 Thread Brian Quinion
On 1 August 2012 14:48, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for jumping on this discussion. Does the population tag have any significance to Nominatim? We import it as an extra tag but it has no current effect on importance / ranking. Using wikipedia turns out to simplify the

Re: [Talk-us] administrative boundaries and Nominatim

2012-07-31 Thread Brian Quinion
Is it sensible to have a polygon for the boundary and also a node that locates precisely the cultural/logical center? Does Nominatim ignore the node when there is a same-named boundary? Or is there some way to have a relation for a town that has both a polygon and a center?

Re: [Talk-GB] Millennium Greens Doorstep Greens

2012-07-04 Thread Brian Quinion
Searching OSM for name=Millennium Green shows that these are currently mapped as: * parks * village greens * nature reserves * recreation grounds * common land To me it looks like leisure=park is best (with the others used only when the exact same land area is also designated as

Re: [Talk-GB] Millennium Greens, Doorstep Greens CROW Open Area land

2012-07-04 Thread Brian Quinion
are clearly gardens, some parks, some nature reserves. Please do not retag these features to some perceived standard. I would also avoid overloading the designation key - better to have an explicit key than to reuse and existing key. About the only thing these area have in common is that

Re: [OSM-talk] Icons

2012-06-28 Thread Brian Quinion
On 28 June 2012 11:40, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: john whelan wrote: Could someone or a group come up with a more standard set of icons please? http://sjjb.co.uk/mapicons/ It is also now on github (https://github.com/twain47/Open-SVG-Map-Icons) so there is now an easy route

[OSM-talk] Nominatim and language tags

2012-02-17 Thread Brian Quinion
Hi, We are doing some work to improve the linking of name and name:xx tags in nominatim (basically adding better language fall backs) but in order to do that we need to have a list of which OFFICIAL languages are used in which countries. Since we've been unable to find such a resource I've

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim and language tags

2012-02-17 Thread Brian Quinion
On 17 February 2012 14:24, Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com wrote: On 17/02/2012 14:08, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: What is the official language? This is not always unambigous for every part of the national territory. Even in Germany with few minorities there are exceptions (e.g. [1] de:

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-28 Thread Brian Quinion
On 27 July 2011 23:10, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Kay Drangmeister k...@drangmeister.net wrote: That, to me, is a convincing argument to tag the unabbreviated form and let software (easily) do the abbreviation, instead of tagging

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-28 Thread Brian Quinion
I think the main issue now is whether St at the beginning of English place names is an abbreviation for Saint, or actually part of the place name as St, and whether the same rule applies to street names. And not just at the beginning, thinking about it. I don't think I'd ever write Bury Saint

[OSM-talk] Nominatim updates paused

2011-06-03 Thread Brian Quinion
Hi, The live install of nominatim has run out of integers on it's primary key and the database is being updated to use bigint. Sorry for the lack of notice - this rather caught me by surprise! Until this is completed there will be no updates. Because of the size of the database and the

Re: [OSM-talk] Skip geographical (redundant) address tags

2011-05-05 Thread Brian Quinion
The lookup may be efficient, it is frequently wrong and again dependent of correct and complete admin_levels. Currently it places every street where I live (in the Netherlands) in Belgium and does not specify a town with it. Looking for Jacob van Marisring returns Jacob van Marisring, België

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim updates

2011-01-28 Thread Brian Quinion
Hi, http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search?q=fuelnearlat=43.5nearlon=7format=xml Is there any plan to bring this kind of (very useful !) search back ? I've fixed this - a column had changed name - thanks for the bug report. BTW - you may find that using the new bounded=1 option provides

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim updates

2011-01-28 Thread Brian Quinion
On 28 January 2011 14:47, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: For me, reverse lookups are completely wrong right now. (I haven't tried forward lookups). And the status indication on nominatim.openstreetmap.org is blank. So I figure he's doing a DB rebuild or something.

Re: [OSM-talk] Most complete cities and administrative divisions database

2011-01-28 Thread Brian Quinion
I was asking about its administrative boundary. So, after reading http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place, what I understand is that : - Cities are marked as nodes - Sometimes, there are additional ways (boundary=administrative) to delimit the administrative boundary - As a bonus, there

[OSM-talk] Nominatim updates

2011-01-23 Thread Brian Quinion
Hi, On Monday morning I'm intending to switching the existing nominatim service over to an updated code base designed to allow better scaling and additional data sources (tiger, external postcode sets, etc) as well as being the first stage of various other improvements. With any luck the only

Re: [Talk-de] Post offices near Lünen

2011-01-12 Thread Brian Quinion
mit post office near Lünen kriege ich ein Ergebnis; post offices geht offensichtlich tatsächlich nicht. Ticket erstellt. http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3451 In der Wortliste  (die jeder ergänzen darf!) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nominatim/Special_Phrases/EN ist die

Re: [Talk-de] Post offices near Lünen

2011-01-12 Thread Brian Quinion
When searching Bank nah Lüdinghausen I get (money)banks and benches (Sitzbanken / amenity=bench) in the result list, because in german bank has this two meanings. About an hour ago I deleted the 'bank' = 'amenity=bench' mapping to remove some general problems it was causing. I agree this

Re: [OSM-talk] address parsing by nominatim

2011-01-10 Thread Brian Quinion
2) We so many times have blocks or sectors (tagged as locality or hamlet) OK - this sounds like a combination of bad tagging and software problems with nominatim and the mapnik style sheet. Can I suggest that locality and hamlet are probably not the correct tags and that you need to come up

Re: [OSM-talk] address parsing by nominatim

2011-01-10 Thread Brian Quinion
2011/1/10 ヴィカス ヤダヴァ (vikas yadav) mevi...@gmail.com: I used hamlet for my block as pop limit of 1000 is given = satisfied I used suburb for it is neither a village or a town but holds 2 ~ 10 blocks = suggest We do have villages within cities and they have been tagged properly, villages never

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim US places

2011-01-01 Thread Brian Quinion
it's not really leading anywhere, in part due to the fact that noone from Nominatim has spoken up. i did just review the Hi. Yes, I've been off doing new year type things. I'm playing catchup on my email now - and I've still got a hangover so please accept my apologies if anything is

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim US places

2011-01-01 Thread Brian Quinion
I agree. Don't forget it is the holiday and people take more time to reply. What would be nice from Nominatim point of view is the creation of a page where you would enter your test cases and what you expect. That would allow the developer of nominatim to include those in his test suite. It

[OSM-talk] Nominatim Special Phrases and improving search

2010-12-07 Thread Brian Quinion
Hi, I'm changing how Nominatim handles the special phrases which are used to search for particular key=value pairs. Up until now these phrases have been imported from the translatewiki but this is now turning out to be to limited - in particular regarding the ability to capture the differences

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

2010-12-06 Thread Brian Quinion
On 6 December 2010 11:41, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Erik, On 12/06/10 11:19, Erik Johansson wrote: :-) Well does anyone have code to add name as local language in postgis, what are the options? Lets not complicate your remark by enumerating all multilingual areas in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

2010-12-06 Thread Brian Quinion
On 6 December 2010 13:18, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Brian Quinion openstreetmap at brian.quinion.co.uk writes: This list is entirely of my own construction and probably misses quite a few countries default languages.  I welcome any improvements! Shouldn't it be tagged as part of the map

Re: [OSM-talk] Voluntary re-licensing begins

2010-08-12 Thread Brian Quinion
I really want to be able to click 'Agree' and 'make it PD' but section 1 worries me as it states that I agree to only add Contents for which [I am] the copyright holder. This seems to preclude me being able to add any data I've imported from an outside source (like tracing from OS Street

Re: [OSM-talk] Voluntary re-licensing begins

2010-08-12 Thread Brian Quinion
On 12 August 2010 14:37, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 12/08/10 12:51, Brian Quinion wrote: Could you point to the document from OS that gives explicit permission?  I would love to find such a document. It's here: http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/opendata/licence/docs

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Change - moving forward

2010-08-10 Thread Brian Quinion
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Mike Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: If you support the share-alike concept, I urge you to accept the new Contributor Terms which provides for a coherent Attribution, Share-Alike license written especially for databases.  If you are a Public Domain license

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Change - moving forward

2010-08-10 Thread Brian Quinion
Given that you can't (legitimately) sign up to the CT if you have used data which you are not the copyright owner how will we deal with the situation where someone who HAS imported external data signs up to the Contributor Terms? In some ways it is their own problem, they have warranted that

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with names with postfixes / types

2010-08-04 Thread Brian Quinion
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 2:57 AM, woll w...@2-islands.com wrote: Better to keep this thread restricted to the subject of is it valid to tag names with postfixes, and have any technical discussions separately in the trac report! Yes - it was probably a mistake to reference the ticket in this

[OSM-talk] Problems with names with postfixes / types

2010-08-03 Thread Brian Quinion
Hi, I've been handed a search bug regarding being unable to search for 福岡 (Fukuoka) [1]. This has been caused by all cities in Japan being entered in the form 福岡市 (Fukuoka City). I would normally regard this as a tagging error because the fact that it is a city is defined by the place=city tag

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread Brian Quinion
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Total time 6 minutes Hundreds of hours, yeah right. What you have given is an absolute minimum time for someone who already understands to actually edit the files. You've skipped research, testing and deployment. The

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-30 Thread Brian Quinion
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 2:42 AM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Better yet - just don't change it.  This sort of change just isn't worth the pain and hundreds of developer hours that could be better spent on moving the project forward.  Yes - this sort of change might make the tag

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-29 Thread Brian Quinion
Discussing this for a day on the Tagging list is not enough for you to make this change. How much time should it take? I didn't really set a dead line but was trying to get comments on the idea... A change that breaks every editor / renderer / search data user ? 6 months minimum before you

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-29 Thread Brian Quinion
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Brian Quinion openstreet...@brian.quinion.co.uk wrote: Discussing this for a day on the Tagging list is not enough for you to make this change. How much time should it take? I didn't

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-to-PostGIS issues

2010-07-19 Thread Brian Quinion
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Juan Lucas Domínguez Rubio juan_lucas...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, sorry, here is the command and error message: http://www.prodevelop.es/files/fm/public/downloads/wxp_console.png Slim uses 800MB of ram as a cache by default (change with -C) Postgresql is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Compatible licenses

2010-07-16 Thread Brian Quinion
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:01 AM, James Livingston li...@sunsetutopia.com wrote: * Currently you can import any data with a compatible licence (e.g. CC-BY-SA, CC-BY), you can't if we change without the copyright holder's

Re: [OSM-talk] maori/english search oddities for nz towns

2010-07-07 Thread Brian Quinion
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:40 AM, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: well, here's an odd thing: if i search for pahia from firefox 3.6, it returns 'Pahia, New Zealand' if i search from IE7, it returns 'Pahia, Aotearoa' . Aotearoa is the Maori name for New Zealand. or rather, new

Re: [Talk-GB] Strange Search Result in Devon or should that be Kelland Cross?

2010-07-06 Thread Brian Quinion
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Barnett, Phillip phillip.barn...@... writes: Well, the bit _I'm_ wondering about is 'Devon County'!! Should now be fixed: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5148177 I expect it'll take some time for Nominatim to pick

Re: [Talk-GB] Strange Search Result in Devon or should that be Kelland Cross?

2010-07-06 Thread Brian Quinion
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 06/07/10 14:00, Brian Quinion wrote: On a related topic can I point out the large number of items being added named CP, Civil Parish or Parish at the moment.  A few examples: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation

Re: [Talk-GB] OS Locator - using in JOSM

2010-04-23 Thread Brian Quinion
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Robert Scott li...@humanleg.org.uk wrote: On Wednesday 21 April 2010, David Dixon wrote: I've been playing with the OS OpenData Locator dataset, which contains the XY coordinates for the ends midpoint of many of the UK's roads. This gazetteer appears to

Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas

2010-04-01 Thread Brian Quinion
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:    we're thinking about importing post code areas in Germany. Are post code areas being mapped in other countries already, and if so, using what tagging schema? I was thinking of creating multipolygon boundary relations

Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas

2010-04-01 Thread Brian Quinion
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:06 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 April 2010 01:51, Brian Quinion openstreet...@brian.quinion.co.uk wrote: boundary=street_postal_code | district_postal_code | city_postal_code street_postal_code = 425253 or boundary = postal_code

Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas

2010-04-01 Thread Brian Quinion
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:16 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 April 2010 02:13, Brian Quinion openstreet...@brian.quinion.co.uk wrote: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:06 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 April 2010 01:51, Brian Quinion openstreet

Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas

2010-04-01 Thread Brian Quinion
Brian Quinion wrote: boundary=street_postal_code | district_postal_code | city_postal_code street_postal_code = 425253 I'm having difficulties in grasping this concept. In Germany we have 5-digit post codes, and the associated regions vary in size depending on how densely populated an area

Re: [Talk-GB] London Underground roundel

2010-03-25 Thread Brian Quinion
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 2:01 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: As long as there is a consistent tag to base it on (e.g. operator) it should be very straightforward (he says, never having looked at the code!)- but in implementation it must be very similar to

Re: [OSM-talk] Haiti street names

2010-01-22 Thread Brian Quinion
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 5:38 PM, David Fawcett david.fawc...@gmail.com wrote: How often is Nominatim being updated? I am watching for an update to show up before I mark it as a 'yes' in the PaP street names table. http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/haiti/ should be updated approx. once an

Re: [OSM-talk] problems with nominatim

2010-01-13 Thread Brian Quinion
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Stan Berka stan.be...@gmail.com wrote: I have problems with Nominatim search. If I search for saint clare church, Portland, Oregon, United States of America, I get no results. If I change the search to ... Portland, Washington ..., I get the correct result. And

Re: [OSM-talk] What Streets are in what Places

2009-11-14 Thread Brian Quinion
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org wrote: Looking at this the new Nominatim service seams to do 85% of what I need, and might do more at a pinch. (Only found the service when I logged into IRC tonight) My hope is that in the fullness of time Nominatim can be

Re: [OSM-talk] Address interpolation

2009-09-11 Thread Brian Quinion
Thank you Brian for your tips, I edited address with suggestions you made. Can I ask you just to check if I made it ok now, because I will start adding street numbers so I would like to be sure I'm doing ti correctly:

Re: [OSM-talk] Address interpolation

2009-09-11 Thread Brian Quinion
to convince anyone that this was bad: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Utlimate-State-Selector.aspx Why is this a special case where duplication is a good thing? It may be that no-one can think of a better way of doing it - but that doesn't make it good. Brian Quinion wrote: However

Re: [OSM-talk] Address interpolation

2009-09-09 Thread Brian Quinion
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/489432179 I'd suggest moving all the following tags addr:city = Osijek addr:country = 385 addr:postcode = 31000 addr:street = Starigradska No! Please don't do that. That makes it harder to use. Then there are two possible ways, where data can be.

Re: [OSM-talk] Address interpolation

2009-09-09 Thread Brian Quinion
that you can ignore tags on the way just doesn't work. Your advise Do you have numbers for that? There are, as of last Wednesday: 46899 uses with addr:street in this way I described 209340 uses with addr:street used to link a building outline to a street 2947067 uses with addr:street used to

Re: [OSM-talk] Address interpolation

2009-09-08 Thread Brian Quinion
Hi, On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Valent Turkovicvalent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm using address interpolation for the first time so I would like to ask if somebody can check if I did it ok or if there are some errors:

Re: [OSM-talk] State of the NameFinder

2009-08-31 Thread Brian Quinion
Preliminary results of the British Museum Test: http://povesham.wordpress.com/2007/11/23/the-british-museum-test-for-public-mapping-websites/ Thanks for all this - very interesting results. I'll work my way through them and track down the reasons for the various errors. The duplication is to

Re: [OSM-talk] State of the NameFinder

2009-08-26 Thread Brian Quinion
running again. First one is just performance improvement for old one (done by David Earl) and second one is completely new effort (by Twain). The one I've been working on (suggestions for a name for the project gratefully received off list BTW) is mostly functional. I was expecting to open it

Re: [OSM-talk] State of the NameFinder

2009-08-26 Thread Brian Quinion
The one I've been working on (suggestions for a name for the project gratefully received off list BTW) is mostly functional.  I was expecting to open it for testing on the geocoding list some time next week when it has finished indexing the most recent planet import however given the timing

[Talk-GB] Rotherham mapping party this weekend (15th and 16th)

2009-08-13 Thread Brian Quinion
Hi, This is a notification / reminding that the Rotherham mapping party is happening this weekend. Due to recent mapping the focus of the party has shifted from central Rotherham to the West and surrounding areas - but there is still plenty to map! Details for the party are here:

Re: [OSM-talk] Introductions, and Icons?:

2009-08-09 Thread Brian Quinion
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Richard Fairhurstrich...@systemed.net wrote: Austin Martin wrote: Also, does OSM need a collective icon set, because by looking at this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features. It seems like just a random mishmash of icons, but maybe I'm wrong on this.

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Boundaries - update

2009-07-28 Thread Brian Quinion
1) Complete the conversion from boundary=administrative - boundary=ceremonial for the ceremonial-only counties. I will do this and also change the name of these to 'Blar (ceremonial)' to make a clear distinction from the administrative boundary. Changing them to boundary=ceremonial is great,

Re: [OSM-talk] Karlsruhe schema with address ranges

2009-07-21 Thread Brian Quinion
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema#Sub-proposal:_ranges_of_numbers_for_individual_nodes I've done a lot of addr:housenumber=10-23 Sometimes I've added a node for each entrance. I've even done some funky stuff with writing (even)/(odd) in

Re: [OSM-talk] rendering some large maps, e.g. whole world

2009-04-18 Thread Brian Quinion
One caveat, though: As the icons are included as pixel graphics, and I do not know of any possiblity to scale them using style file syntax, they are not modified. Thus they will appear much too small on a printed map. If you have better icons, you might be able to adapt the script such that it

[OSM-legal-talk] Database rights and who has them

2009-04-01 Thread Brian Quinion
Hi, I came across the following while looking for something else. It regards the interpretation of database rights in a case between William Hill and Fixtures Marketing. Article here: http://www.out-law.com/page-5698 My impression is that it might have implications for whether database rights

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik: strange prioritisation/appearance of place names

2009-03-23 Thread Brian Quinion
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:34 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: On 23/03/2009 12:13, Adam Schreiber wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Elena of Valhalla elena.valha...@gmail.com wrote: finding a working algorithm that uses only objective data and is always able to select

Re: [Talk-GB] Address, post code data base

2009-02-24 Thread Brian Quinion
Hi, I ran a little script against the data base of planning applications of Islington Council and ended up with around 16,500 address. Around 6,500 of them are relatively old and only have the first part of the post code. After tidying the data little and removing dupes, this still leaves

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping the unloved and unwashed

2009-02-10 Thread Brian Quinion
Has anyone made any plans for mapping parties for any of the unloved north yet? After cycling up and down the hilly climbs of Sheffield I quite fancy mapping somewhere flat like Lincolnshire :-) I've checked the wiki but didn't notice anything - so are their any unannounced plans in progress?

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping the unloved and unwashed

2009-02-10 Thread Brian Quinion
There is nothing prohibiting yourself organising mapping parties. I think the events are few and far between due to the not so great weather at this time of year. Why did I just know that was going to be the response :-) I'll probably be up for trying to organise something for Rotherham or

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping the unloved and unwashed

2009-02-10 Thread Brian Quinion
Should we investigate buying aerial photography for some of these un-loved places which would allow us the capture the base road structure and land-usage prior to any actual visit and speed things up a lot? The photography that Mikel and eye have been sorting out for Gaza Strip is costing $11

Re: [OSM-talk] Indiscrimate layering

2008-12-19 Thread Brian Quinion
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:15 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: On 19/12/2008 20:04, Nic Roets wrote: invalid assumption that all bridges without layer tags should have layer=1. In all the cases I've seen it has been largely harmless but unnecessary and has changed the intent

Re: [Talk-GB] Possible Data Source For Bradford

2008-11-21 Thread Brian Quinion
Hi, It looks like the data is provided under licence from the Ordnance Survey on behalf of the Controller of Her Majesty's Stationery Office Crown Copyright and so can't be used. -- Brian On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Kærast [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Bradford Council provide public

Re: [OSM-talk] Recent changes to slippymap Mapnik rendering

2008-10-29 Thread Brian Quinion
-The road refs aren't centred properly in their boxes. This looks really poor. Also, they aren't as clear as the used to be. Actually a technical issue, so this time not a judgement call :-) This is the only thing which isn't really an opinion! I'm currently trying to add options to mapnik

Re: [OSM-talk] Recent changes to slippymap Mapnik rendering

2008-10-29 Thread Brian Quinion
resolved, see also: https://trac.mapnik.org/ticket/104 That ticket has nothing to do with the problem we're discussing here ;-) The ticket is about how a shield is positioned relative to a POI, but we're talking about the positioning of text relative to the shield symbol that surrounds it.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Brian Quinion
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:27 AM, bvh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually no, your bus company is just going to take PD-OSM data and is going to bring out a map with its bus routes. And its competitor is going to do the same. And no one will have the ability to take both maps and bring out one

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-21 Thread Brian Quinion
Tom Hughes wrote: We all want to improve OSM data quantity and quality. We just haven't agreed on weather a viral license will help or hinder. Just like we haven't agreed on JOSM vs. Potlatch. No, but some of us are trying to work to achieve the best consensus possible within the existing

Re: [OSM-talk] More vandalism

2008-10-13 Thread Brian Quinion
Hi Frederik, I am approached every now and then by people who would like something reverted. It is quite a dilemma for me, in most cases I don't even know the place or the people involved - so who am I to decide who is right and who is wrong? I'd have said that making the request to have

Re: [OSM-talk] SVG / PNG map icons

2008-09-06 Thread Brian Quinion
could you please add a license file to the root directory of your icon files Doh! Now done. A lot of them are based on existing map icons, US Park icons or other PD sources (we are not interested in reinventing the wheel) many others are brand new. Some we are happy with, others still

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC Attribution Share Alike License with OSMF exception

2008-09-05 Thread Brian Quinion
at 12:23 PM, 80n [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Brian Quinion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Been reading all the discussions for a while with growing frustration. I find my self mostly agreeing with the CC-By-SA license but I do wish there was a way to easily provide

[OSM-legal-talk] CC Attribution Share Alike License with OSMF exception

2008-09-05 Thread Brian Quinion
Hi, Been reading all the discussions for a while with growing frustration. I find my self mostly agreeing with the CC-By-SA license but I do wish there was a way to easily provide exceptions to those organisations wishing to make good use of the data but having problems with the license. So my

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Mass import of TeleAtlas data

2008-08-21 Thread Brian Quinion
As an aside, I was unable to find any information / suggestions / procedure documented on the wiki as what to do if you suspect someone is copying data from a copyright source which means it is left pretty much up to each person to decide what to do. So far the procedure seems to be: 1) Contact

Re: [OSM-talk] Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usability of the current maps

2008-07-28 Thread Brian Quinion
One would think that getting all of the capitals tagged would be easy, however going and grabbing it from sites linked to google I'm assuming would almost certainly be a no no. Can we use information from wikipedia? For example. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_capitals If

Re: [OSM-talk] Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usability of the current maps

2008-07-28 Thread Brian Quinion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_capitals If I can use that, then I can find all the capitals, and just tag them. How about geonames database - is that usable? We cannot use data from geonames as the data is derived from Google Maps.

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-12 Thread Brian Quinion
I like this - but would suggest a small change: highway=crossing crossing=zebra|toucan|pelican|... No, get rid of the UK specific classifications of crossing completely - they require too much background knowledge to interpret and are pointless if you have already split out the various

Re: [OSM-talk] Too many nodes?

2008-04-19 Thread Brian Quinion
Hi, IIRC, Mapnik supports bezier hinting for quite a while now, just no-one has gone and updated the stylesheet to use it. I was looking for these options the other day for a map I was doing but came to the conclusion that they had not yet been exposed at the stylesheet level. Do you have a

Re: [OSM-talk] Too many nodes?

2008-04-19 Thread Brian Quinion
Interesting, Artem sent a mail in January that he was working on it and I foolishly assumed that meant he was working on it in SVN. However looking through the source it seems you are right, there's nothing there. I'll bug him to release a patch at least so we can play with it. Many

Re: [OSM-talk] Too many nodes?

2008-04-19 Thread Brian Quinion
This bezier stuff is nice for the renderers, but it shouldn't be a substitute for having enough nodes to define the curve. Don't forget are other data consumers/renderers that may not have the ability to do bezier curves. Extra nodes can always be reduced by using a algorithm if the

[OSM-talk] List of tags in use/database

2008-04-10 Thread Brian Quinion
Hi, Is there anywhere I can get a list of the tags / values that are actually in use in the system (i.e. an empirical list as opposed to the wiki) without downloading the whole planet file and searching it? Something like the output produced by Jon Burgess in the recent discussion would be very

[OSM-talk] Fwd: List of tags in use/database

2008-04-10 Thread Brian Quinion
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Matt Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there anywhere I can get a list of the tags / values that are actually in use in the system (i.e. an empirical list as opposed to the wiki) without downloading the whole planet file and searching it?

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycle lanes

2008-04-02 Thread Brian Quinion
Excuse me while I but in... I'd agree that Left/right doesn't feel like the right solution - I've got a different idea for a solution which doesn't seem to have been suggested. For me the whole problem comes down to the fact that in the current representation there is no concept of a WIDTH of a