If you reposition the new node in same place as the old one, this hasn't really
achieved anything. At best, it has obscured the history a bit so it's no longer
quite so clear that the node was originally added by a CT-decliner.
Rather than going through this charade why not just
ommonMap project, a CC-BY licenced map
of the world, which was partly intended as a common upstream which
several map projects including OSM could take data from.)
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can
somehow make exceptions to the licence. Could you give more details about what
particular permission is needed?
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I really don't want to just give up and go home unless every possibility has
been
exhausted. It is not too late.
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how the law works. Can odbl=clean then be a reliable guide to what can be
distributed under the ODbL licence?
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ed source=OS when relying only on OpenData and not
additional ground survey or aerial photos; however, there is still
some 'sweat of the brow' involved since matching up the streets
against OS involves some judgement calls and common sense - it is not
a blind or fully autom
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n that case, can I urge you to tag for the renderer and remove the
suffix from the data!
I think anyone looking at a map of Cambridge might have an idea that there is
a university there and that any colleges or academic-sounding buildings are
more likely than not to
:name is the same as the name in OSL and the geometry is similar,
although
split into two ways in OSM.
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ld be a useful type of object. It
could apply to forests, seas, even some countries. I suppose it would be
tagged as a relation with two members (a way for the area and a node for the
centroid) and then tagging would be on the relation. Similar to what happens
now for multipol
such informal boundaries ('you
are now entering Reading', announces the satnav).
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the rules about what place=city signifies in each individual country.
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more tightly-defined tags such as 'designated city status' or
population if they are wanted.
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'Westminster' instead of 'London'
(depending on random rules about overlapping text labels) would be so offputting
I think it is worth paying some attention to what is currently rendered.
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visited. Instead of wasting time with dubious-quality Ordnance Survey maps why
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apply to the LWG?
If the answer is no, and the LWG is authorized to make statements such as an
interpretation of the contributor terms without a separate say-so from the OSMF
board, then it would be good to make that explicit.
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or in the changeset comment, to
provide some evidence that I found it independently and didn't just copy off
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ng, I think most agree that copying
the names from the OS map is just 'phase 1', with the next and much more time-
consuming step being to go out and resurvey to make sure.
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still, a clarifying paragraph added to the CTs themselves) might clear up a lot
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Note that David Ellams is one step ahead and has already created some video
tutorials on how to use Potlatch 2.
<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Video_tutorials>
That's only one piece of the puzzle.
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I don't have enough free time right now to set up a mirror but I am more than
willing to chip in if it's merely a question of paying to upgrade bandwidth
available on a hosting solution like S3. I know this isn't a big contribution
but it might be somethin
ff from the map?
Come on, that's not the way we do things.
I'm sure the OSMF are more than capable of standing up to any pressure put on
them. And they too will decide if and when to purge things from the database.
We don't need to extend the battleground of ar
use Gmane: <http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.region.gb>
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's really not an either-or choice as it is sometimes framed.
We all appreciate your excellent work on Potlatch, BTW.
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recommend it and some points against, but it would need to be discussed
separately from street names.
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al mappers *decreased*. Of course, because the area was pretty
much done, I concentrated my mapping trips on places further afield.
If having an area complete means that a contributor can spend his or
her time on other parts of the map which also need at
k tiles
and the cycle map. This is not merely tagging for the renderer, since the
place is not really a 'suburb' if I understand you correctly.
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which (as discussed at recent LWG meeting) is still not settled!
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mapping parties and other contribution become a
much easier proposition: rather than 'help out with this geeky new hobby' it
becomes 'hey! you can contribute to the map you are already using!'. Why is
Google Map Maker successful? Because people are already using Google Maps. It
t existing mapping when doing an import. They
must
be knitted in with manual attention where necessary and not just dumped from a
great height onto the map.
In this context I don't believe anyone is advocating the replacement of any
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impressed by their sat-nav device loading up Potlatch and telling them to edit)
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When going on mapping trips I would then concentrate mostly on roads with no
name
at all, but also take a moment to verify the OS-sourced names as I passed those
roads. I think this would be more efficient and produce a better map faster
than
if we
accommodate those who have quite reasonable concerns
about ending up duplicating mistakes in the OS data, we need tools which show
which parts of the map come from OS. ITO's map layer
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otes of errors in the other map - and so for any check of OS Locator versus
OSM, we don't need to worry about not:name tags that might have been added for
Navteq, because there won't be any.
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lmingly what it is used for - even if the tag name doesn't make that
clear - and if there is a need to tag 'commonly used but wrong name' for a
street we use something else like incorrect_name.
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not:name entries associated with a single road? For example where a
>single street has multiple different duff names from one or more
>different sources, ie OS Locator and Navteq both have different wrong
>names.
Again could you explain where
7;missing names' be adapted to include
streets
where a name is present but marked verified=no (or source=OS, perhaps).
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e totally off the top of my head and apply
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been discussed and agreed on this list before that these nodes can be
junked now that we have county boundaries as polygons. So please go ahead.
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Clearly the local authority must have a list of all taxable addresses, with
house
number and postcode. If it can be safely released (just the address, with no
other identifying information) then it would be a great completeness check for
OSM, even better than OS Locator.
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Steve Doerr writes:
>But sooner or later someone will tag something as unsigned=no. Double
>negatives seem faintly ridiculous to me. Why not replace unsigned=yes
>with signed=no? Seems more logical to me.
Perhaps, but unsigned=yes already has some momentum and it's not worth cha
unsigned:name=yes or unsigned:ref=yes would be better.
I think this is a good idea, with plain unsigned=yes taken to mean that neither
the name nor the ref or any other unique identification is signed.
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the name tag but it might possibly be useful for 'name_sign' or 'signed:name' or
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n see an older street sign with an
apostrophe, before the local authority became illiterate and stopped bothering
with them. I take that as enough reason to tag the correct name.
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>e.g.http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.9256&lon=-1.3605&zoom=14&layers=M
>It's not really 'the' C351, as there will be C351s all over the country.
In that case local_ref would be a more appro
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's a bit perturbing that although they say Open Government Licence on the
website, the PDF itself says 'internal use only' and 'all rights reserved'.
Is it okay to use?
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Perhaps in other countries the convention more closely matches the wiki docs.
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I think we have a mixture of both conventions.
Above all, the wiki is not to be trusted - it's worth checking on this list.
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80n <80n80n@...> writes:
>>I've even seen status=desire
>Here's a description, and a nice photo, of a desire path:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desire_path
Ah, you're right. I'm glad I didn't try to retag it.
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if it did...
Any unambiguous tagging scheme you can think of would be fine.
(railway=abandoned_station would also be possible)
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data from these OS-using
accounts is clean, or has to be deleted. But at least then it could be decided
once rather than each mapper having to agonize about it.
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is
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nough, but those who hold to a strict
on-the-ground principle may disagree.
(I don't currently map speed limits unless they are very low, like 5mph, so my
view should not carry as much weight as that of mappers who actively maintain
the highway network, or those who use the speed limit data.
SomeoneElse writes:
>I can still map "maxspeed=what_the_sign_says" as I have been doing.
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:name has been
tagged.
If you download the map for that area you'll see some ways tagged with
highway=no. This is where I visited and found there was no road there any more.
The highway=no way is just a placeholder to mark the not:name tag f
Dave F. writes:
>>I think he meant to say highway=no, which I have used successfully in London.
>
>I must of missed the discussion on the use of this tag. is there a wiki
>page?
I've documented it in
<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_and_OSL_differences
e meant to say highway=no, which I have used successfully in London.
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xample
maxspeed=30mph
maxspeed_sign=no
maxspeed=30mph
maxspeed_sign=30mph
Then both the 'tag what's on the ground' and 'tag what's most useful' camps
could
have a way to record the information they want. For more complex cases, such as
th
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y tags to cross-reference them
against the TfL data set. I don't know what the situation is in other
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I've stopped tagging route_ref because according to the wiki the preferred way
to map bus routes is as a relation. Does that reflect the accepted practice in
this country?
What uses the bus route data anyway?
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to record the fact that somebody has surveyed the
area (or at least looked at Bing imagery) and noted that there is no path there.
This is better than omitting it from the map altogether, which might cause
some well-meaning person to add it as a path.
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ghtly, you're saying that you could return all such houses
across the whole country but you wouldn't be able to group them by street. Some
fishing around in the map for a nearby street with that name would be needed.
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agree that postal_code (or addr:postcode) should be for
the full postcode only, then these should be pushed off to another tag and it
makes sense to warn about any remaining cases.
Of course, there is also a middle way where they don't get retagged, but not
accepted as correct either,
ground, and
is useful to disambiguate street names, so it ought not to be an error.
I think you are already allowing it on ways, but there are a few odd nodes
that have it, usually road junctions. I wouldn't tag it on the junction node
myself, but if it's there
d also be used for a former church
now used as a recording studio. building=garage is also okay. But the use of
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I don't believe there is currently a 'lint' map that suggests such
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Does the highlighting still work when POIs are mapped as a point instead of an
area? For example if a node exists with amenity=school, will it show up on
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ndon. Thanks.
Here is an example of a school which is named in OSM, but highlighted in red:
http://www.itoworld.com/product/data/ito_map/main?view=6
&bbox=-12417.127097309,6714804.31181825,-11084.256416825001,6715625.24072455
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t still be useful to provide a postcode-to-
street lookup if only this lower-resolution data is there. Adding postcodes at
the street level might be a useful halfway step between no postcode data and the
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hen I started mapping
the Karlsruhe 'addr' schema was not finalized.)
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work populating it fully.
- Similarly if a street is found but has no house numbers, zoom to that street.
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e against that at all, I think it's great. But in fact that is not
the classical OSM way, which has been (a) armchair trace from Yahoo imagery
then (b) send out the mappers to find street names and other stuff.
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a blank sheet, attracts OSM users and contributors or drives them away. This
too
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Locator
names usually have a lower error rate than OSM ground surveys, so I would have
more confidence in a street name populated from OS only than in one that had
been
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Andrew writes:
>The meetup tomorrow evening (8th March)
You mean tomorrow, Thursday 10th March?
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These maps will probably become collector's items:
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-12684156>
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Ed Avis writes:
>>Is there a way of adding the name:cy without manually
>>searching for each English name.
>You could use a script to do this. Please post a link to the file you have
>and I or somebody else (I'll have time this weekend) will hack up something
Or, of
heck the names, and (if you choose to do so)
upload the name:cy tags.
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than just making a
map of what's on the ground, but OSM has already gone some way in that
direction.
In the meantime, duplicating the information on each object is probably the most
convenient way for users.
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various languages (subject to earlier grumbles about tagging such redundant data
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in a central place and give OSM
the necessary data to point to it.
On the other hand, if there is some new fact about the world, such as
a particular tree which is known to give particularly tasty figs, then
this can certainly be tagged. The key point is that it's information
names and house numbers requires a visit. But
I don't need to tell you this :-(.
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they produce for people
>like me who are interested in foraging.
I think to get the common name you could grind your list against Wikipedia.
Ideally, only the scientific name would need to be tagged in OSM, with
natural language versions added automatically when render
hase the building outlines from
OS for the borough of Southwark and import them into OSM. I suppose they would
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