In other words, stop the edit war, discuss pros and cons on the talk
page, and be open to include more rather than remove. If it is
concluded as not a religion than find alternative tagging.
[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:religion
[2]
Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.net writes:
Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com writes:
Stellan Lagerstrom lagerst...@blindsight.com writes:
We have a user (mk408) who seems intent on turning 3/4 of all
residential streets in the bay area into tertiary.
This seems excessive to me. Most
Stellan Lagerstrom lagerst...@blindsight.com writes:
We have a user (mk408) who seems intent on turning 3/4 of all
residential streets in the bay area into tertiary.
This seems excessive to me. Most of these are just residential streets,
not thoroughfares, etc.
Views?
Here's one changeset:
Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org writes:
Sam Vekemans wrote:
Where the only way i know to map it is to use a relation and call it
route=greenway and dont have it render on the cyclemap. Just map the
sections as appropriate.
Greenway is the US/Canadianism for cycleway.
I don't follow
I am generally in favor of imports. But EPA superfund site data seems
to be getting close to there should be mashup with this data and osm as
the baselayer as opposed to importing it.
I'm on the light pollution committee in my town, and eventually I'd like
to have a database of issues. I don't
See
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/National_Hydrography_Dataset
http://www.mail-archive.com/newb...@openstreetmap.org/msg03521.html
It sems 'obvious' :-) that this should be
waterway=stream
stream=intermittent
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Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net writes:
With regard to apartment complexes, condo complexes, mobile home complexes,
and gated single-family-home complexes, I usually tag:
- The ways that cross the boundary line from public street into the complex
are highway=service*** +
I hate to step into this flamefest, but:
Having traveled around the US, I've been really glad the tiger data is
there. Often it seems like there have not been a lot of edits, and
it's way better than nothing.
I heard about OSM long ago, and I think noticed the map was blank in
mass,
Anthony wikim...@inbox.org writes:
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote:
Anthony o...@inbox.org writes:
But I've come across situations where the unnamed road is not a
roundabout, though. In one of these cases I used
highway=unclassified, because it was just
Please don't take the following as me arguing with you. I'm just
trying to understand.
No problem - it's a useful discussion and a hard question.
I think the bottom line is that one has to understand the actual
legal/use distinctions made by the experts, and then figure out how much
of
Anthony o...@inbox.org writes:
Regarding the apartment complex, the parcel data is not out of date.
That's just the way apartment complexes are parceled here. There's
only one owner. Condominium associations would have a separate parcel
for shared areas, because there's more than one
Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net writes:
On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 18:50 -0500, Greg Troxel wrote:
Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net writes:
roads are disconnected at state boundaries due to being cut with a
non-splitter tool. (splitter has special logic to insert nodes on
ways at tile boundaries
Just out of curiosity, how do our European companeros deal with things like
2-Bis ? Most of the addresses I have seen in the US with letters tend to be
campuses and business parks as opposed to street addresses.
A legit address in France -- #2 rear would be my rough translation.
G
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sly (sylvain letuffe) li...@letuffe.org writes:
Hi there,
For those interested, please have a look at this proposition :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Military_base
It's intended use is to permit the same area to be for example a forest and a
military restricted
Chris Hunter chunter...@gmail.com writes:
I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree here. Different countries
*do*blur the line between shops and post offices. For example, I've
visited
Canada quite a few times, and quite a few drugstores sell stamps and accept
mail for delivery under the
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:19:01 +
From: ava...@gmail.com
To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] distribution
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Greg Holloway
peanutzkingpeng...@hotmail.com wrote:
I hope i have picked the right list to ask these questions, please
To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org
From: jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 13:28:34 +
Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] distribution
Greg Holloway peanutzkingpeng...@... writes:
Hello,I hope i have picked the right list to ask these questions, please
alow
me
for the moment but i hope to
include other contries if what i am doing is acceptable.
any advice would be greatly appreciated
Greg Holloway.
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shop=vacant; empty stores should be marked vacant, not removed from map.
I think this is fine. shop=foo disused=yes doesn't work because often
the idenity of a shop is removed as the landlord gets ready to re-lease,
and it's just an empty room.
shop=supplements; specialty food and dietary
Tiger data is not to bad. ways are connected correct for the most
part. in fact motorways are connected to under/over crossing ways
which is incorrect. But routing will be possible. A major problem is
the direction of motorways/motorway_links. they are random. by
default mkgmap sets
Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org writes:
On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 07:30 -0400, Greg Troxel wrote:
It depends on what the road is like. If it's a decent dirt road that
normal cars routinely drive on, has a street name, is considered a
public or private way by the town, then it's highway
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Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org writes:
On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 07:30 -0400, Greg Troxel wrote:
It depends on what the road is like. If it's a decent dirt road that
normal cars routinely drive on, has a street name, is considered a
public or private way by the town, then it's highway
It doesn't look like the No Left Turn was ever added:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.74503lon=151.06115zoom=17layers=B000FTF
2009/8/27 Liz ed...@billiau.net
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/08/27/2668014.htm
did anyone map this on OSM?
I have a theory about hi-viz vests. Something I have noticed when
geocaching. Younger people and busy office types ignore you but older people
and those with too much time on their hands want to know what's going on.
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Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk writes:
here, whatever the local council decides to put up
often reflective silverish background, black letters
may be black on yellow
may be white on blue
may be green on white
Where's here?
The UK seems to be rather variable, black on white is most
I have been trying to make routable garmin maps with mkgmap, and more or
less succeeding. In Mass I have maps that look good but computing
routes over any significant distance totally fails, as in you get a
route apparently from a basemap. I was recently driving to a place
within Stow from
John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com writes:
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote:
Going the other way and not having highway=footway imply
any value for
bicycle would mean that people like me could tag something
as a
footway and say that I don't know whether it's
Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net writes:
On 08/11/2009 06:10 AM, Greg Troxel wrote:
But, is abandoned really in use in other countries to mean what in the
US we call old railroad grade? (Here I am taking USGS norms to be
established practice in the US.)
Probably not; however
Martin Simon grenzde...@gmail.com writes:
2009/8/11 Nop ekkeh...@gmx.de:
Hi!
Lauri Kytömaa schrieb:
_When not signed for anyone_ but where local legislation allows cyclists
on such routes, people used local judgement to decide whether the way
was built as being suitable for the common
Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org writes:
` On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 08:19 -0400, Bill Ricker wrote:
The Upper Charles Trail was included in the MASSgis import. It has a
note=under construction. As imported and proposed, it slavishly
followed a passenger and freight line straight to the center of
Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com writes:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:20 PM, OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com wrote:
sidewalks in villages - what to do?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.172898lon=-0.524788zoom=18
are they footpaths or are they road attributes?
Mike Harris mik...@googlemail.com writes:
David's summary is imho a good one. There are subtle but not hard-and-fast
distinctions between 'sheltered accommodation' for those who can manage in
their own place but need a warden around (and perhaps a community room or a
public kitchen) and
Thanks for sharing the link John. It's amazing to see a visual
representation of the work done in OSM. I use the ITO site to keep an eye
one areas I regularly map.
Can anyone spot any of their own edits?
2009/8/1 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com
http://vimeo.com/2598878
John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com writes:
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
it's a different meaning in urban areas as in rural areas.
Many of
what you tag as primary and secondary in rural areas
(especially low
density ones) has 2 (1+1) lanes, while
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com writes:
2009/7/31 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com:
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
- residential roads (just in residential areas, no
connecting
function, you will not take this if you don't live in the
David Lynch djly...@gmail.com writes:
Motorway: More than one grade-separated intersection in a row, high
speed, oncoming traffic separated.
A Motorway should meet the physical standards of what the best national
Motorway/Interstate/etc. roads are. Generally entirely divided and
limited
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com writes:
2009/7/31 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com:
--- On Fri, 31/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, I just see it as a hierarchical line:
residential
unclassified
tert
sec
prim
trunk
motorway
it's simple as
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com writes:
2009/7/31 Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com:
So probably the renderers need a way to show unclassified as less
important than tertiary.
they (t...@h, mapnik, cyclemap) are already doing this.
Sorry, I meant 'lower than tertiary and more
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com writes:
secondary is typically used for travel at least 25km (between
multiple towns)
tertiary is used to get to secondary roads (to get to the 'real
road' in the next town)
this is working well for out-of-town situations. Inside
If the highway-tag was the only tag on a road, I would agree with this
approach, but as we are meanwhile tagging physical attributes as
supplementory tags (e.g. lanes, surface, traffic-lights), as we do for
administrative classification (ref), I am in favour of changing the
definition
Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com writes:
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Stephen Hopeslh...@gmail.com wrote:
No, you're wrong here. Maxheight is an element of the way that goes
under the bridge. It is caused by the bridge, but it is not part of
the bridge.
You're saying that the
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Greg Troxelg...@ir.bbn.com wrote:
yes, land_use=forestry perhaps implies land_cover=trees,
Not when they've all just been chopped down :-)
land_use=forestry
land_cover = mud_treestumps_and_woodchips
But seriously, there's a difference between
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com writes:
2009/7/21 Milo van der Linden m...@opengeo.nl:
May I suggest looking at what people at the CORINE landcover dataset
have defined?
http://www.eea.europa.eu/publications/COR0-landcover/at_download/file
they have a nomenclature describing a
What are the tags for abandoned RR right of way that is NOT a
biketrail, but still visible?
I found
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/detailed_Railway_Network
Someone said railway=abandoned, but there are three separate things --
my opinion is partly from USGS topo maps:
Fiji is my adopted country. I traced a fair bit of the roads to hopefully
inspire a local to start naming streets. There is finally at least one
active mapper there armed with a GPS and uploading GPX files and naming
streets, with another guy naming everything in Suva. I have been mainly
mentoring
I noticed there seem to be very few streets in gloucester, but rockport
seems ok. Any clues what's up?
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How do you revert it? I don't see any button for that in the changeset
viewer on Potlatch. And for that matter how do you view changesets
usefully in Potlatch? All it seems to show me is the current view with
no way to view the before and after or other indication of what
the change was.
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will happen if the changeset is reverted.
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My main concern is should I import data as is or optimize this data as
they are quite detailed? Also each region border is one separate
polygon. Should I merge neighbour region nodes and import seperate
border lines or again should I leave data as is?
While out riding just now I crossed
Isn't that highway=pedestrian exactly? As for cars I think it might
be a physical impossibility rather than permitted / not permitted.
(But for routing purposes it's just the same.)
I suppose it is, except that really it's highway=motorcycle.
My real point was that the whole 'highway'
I'd agree that service isn't quite right, if that's the front of the
buildings. But similarly residential isn't right either (I guess we all
think of that as something with pavements/sidewalks).
residential doesn't imply sidewalks in my area
So is there any objection to
Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk writes:
So as long as exception roads have speed tags, what's the
problem?
None as far as I can see, but by the time you've checked every road
in the zone to see whether it is an exception, and presumably tagged
it as checked so other mappers know it has been
In my part of Australia, we have a speed limit that applies to every
non-rural street that is not specifically signed as being another
speed - basically case (b) below. The wording used in the law is
built up area. (In practice, the test for a built up area seems
to be does it have
I find this talk of overlapping polygons a bit boggling. Things seem
far simpler:
roads with an explicit speed tag use that tag. This represents the
situation where the road has a sign and that's been entered.
roads in a city center polygon that don't have a tag inherit from
the
Your free to contribute ideas or code that should be integrated.
It's implemented in C using gtk, glib, libcurl, libnpng libwebkit.
It would be nice to have a separate source tarball and binaries.
You said 'for linux', but I'd hope that this would run on any reasonable
mostly-posix system.
Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com writes:
many parks are tagged with
leisure park
Is this really the recommended setting? according to the wiki park is
something more like golden gate park in SF or central park in NY
natural_reserve matches better the main purpose of national parks.
Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org writes:
Stefan Bethke wrote:
Am 09.05.2009 um 08:59 schrieb Paul Johnson:
Yes, but here in the US you wouldn't call anything where you couldn't
get a prescription filled a pharmacy so the dispensing tag is
redundant. I think that's what he's getting at.
I just mapped a CVS, which is a store that sells lots of personal
hygiene stuff and has a real pharmacy (with a licensed pharmacist, who
can fill prescriptions signed by doctors). I used amenity=pharmacy
dispensing=yes, but find the description on the tag page confusing. I
put my confusion on
David Lynch djly...@gmail.com writes:
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:45, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Is it ok to use barrier=toll_booth for portals over the road with
cameras for automated toll collection, like the ones used for LKW
Maut (HGV toll) in Germany? To me, toll_booth
What currently comes closest to what I want is an area with a
place= tag, but the meaning of that is not clearly defined,
and you can't do everything with that.
I think what you really want is an implicit relation, where the road
ways inherit maxspeed from the relation, and you define the
Richard Weait rich...@weait.com writes:
So currently, I think removing the reviewed:no means, I've improved
this rather than, I've perfected this. To encourage or support more
demanding requirements should surely be backed with a tool that reminds
and suggests how to fix TIGER.
I would
Does anybody object to this? If not, I'll look at inserting special
case code which removes tiger:reviewed when the way or any node it
solely includes is edited in any way.
I'm also not in favor of automatic tag removing, for the same reason -
any change does not imply adequately
and then what is this info good for? just because someone claims it's
correct? is it correct then? more correct than data with the tag set
to no? can you give a single example where this info is helping?
the tiger data is terrible wrong in some places. it's more important
to fix
There has been some discussion about what might be a similar problem on
talk-us, where different states have different signs on Interstate
highways.
I have a few questions; it might be good to explain the answers on the
tag proposal page. (I'm sure in .es the answers are obvious but I think
Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es writes:
In the US, the essence of the issue is that we have Interstate highways,
which have a standard sign, but some states, especially California, have
variants, and people want maps to show the local variants so they match
what's on the ground.
Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es writes:
As an example, near me in the US you can be on a road which is both I-95
S and Massachusetts state route 128 south. Then there is an
intersection where I-95 splits off. After the interchange you are on
128S and I-93N.
Hm, sounds a little
Richard Weait rich...@weait.com writes:
On Sun, 2009-04-12 at 16:55 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
Apollinaris Schoell wrote:
It contains all you need to pick the correct sign. But you need the
whole knowledge about signs for all states, county ...
as an example California uses different
Richard Weait rich...@weait.com writes:
On Sun, 2009-04-12 at 16:55 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
Apollinaris Schoell wrote:
It contains all you need to pick the correct sign. But you need the
whole knowledge about signs for all states, county ...
as an example California uses different
As you can see there is a roundabout, but there is also a dual
carriageway through the middle with the flow controlled by traffic
lights. If you are in the lanes which go through as the dual
carriageway you can't turn onto the roundabout, and if you are in
the lanes that lead onto the
Someone added amenity=food_outlets to the map features and even after
reading the comment An area with several food outlets I'm quite unsure
what this could be.
Is this a collection of several amenity=fast_food or a kind of
vending_machine or ...?
In the US we have a thing called
I share the discomfort of others about truly non-editable imported data.
I have found a number of errors in MassGIS data, although the vast
majority of it seems very good.
Two approaches come to mind:
1.
a. Have a way to have a separate database with such data.
b. Have a way to have
Example 'unicvs' log (where name is actually GPS seconds):
--
lat,long,alt,name
49.66167756437,-114.59122054052,1434.1903,584656.000
(replying to Zeke and Chris both)
I agree that if there is only 1 mile of motorway class road among
trunk-class road that tagging it motorway isn't useful.
The parts of Route 2 that I was thinking of tagging as motorway are
physically indistinguishable from an interstate, and at least 10 miles
to ask before
changing it.
Greg
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Christopher Schmidt crschm...@metacarta.com writes:
MassGIS does not encode the direction. Oneways which are potentially
wrong are marked with a FIXME note to fix the incorrect directionality.
(I believe it is 'FIXME: Unconfirmed oneway'.) MassGIS pays NavTeq for
routing data, and does not
Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com writes:
The result is a set of friends names and addresses where for each friend,
all their addresses; phone numbers would be available on the same entry.
So in OSM terms, all the OSM user created data references, would be shown
on the same
Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com writes:
On Jan 25, 2009, at 7:17 AM, Greg Troxel wrote:
So I think this is really 3-way merge
process, and there needs to be something that looks at each item in
the
new dump, finds any previous import, and checks if it has been
modified.
Bulk imports
Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com writes:
On Jan 25, 2009, at 7:17 AM, Greg Troxel wrote:
So I think this is really 3-way merge
process, and there needs to be something that looks at each item in
the
new dump, finds any previous import, and checks if it has been
modified.
Bulk imports
For government/bulk imports -where we know that updates are available;
how is it dealt with?
I was just thinking about this; there is a lot of MassGIS data now, and
some of it is wrong (wrong location, streets that don't actually exist),
although 99.8% of it seems very good. I've edited
First of all, you should NEVER remove anything from the database,
unless you have made certain by your own eye that the object in
question is an error and not existing in reality! Even than take care
not to remove anything marked as abandoned or alike, that marks this
object was once
For government/bulk imports -where we know that updates are available;
how is it dealt with?
I was just thinking about this; there is a lot of MassGIS data now, and
some of it is wrong (wrong location, streets that don't actually exist),
although 99.8% of it seems very good. I've edited
Sorry if this is on the wiki - I've tried to read the relevant parts.
I live in a semi-rural area where there are a lot of long driveways.
Some of these show up on the map, mostly due to MassGIS bulk imports.
For commercial places, and other places where the public might go, I've
set a few to
/excuse but hopeI'm sure you'll be kind and let me know
in a kind and considerate way /hope
Cheers
Greg
(UK)
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Those boxes as Matt said are probably the Yahoo coverage extents (see the
notes tag). They should only appear during editing and shouldn't render,
unless they are something else.
Cheers,
Greg
2008/9/2 Matt White [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think it was to make it easy to work out where the imaging
what conditions? What kind of licence is applied to the
data?
Many thanks in anticipation,
Greg.
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Is anyone mapping the positioning of these devices in the UK? I don't yet have
a GPS :o|
Is there an easy guide on how to contribute?
For those outside the UK, the UK is currently the most surveiled society in
the world. ANPR is a network of automatic numberplate recognition cameras on
all
I look forward to an interesting chat. Flame away, I'm feeling toasty
already ;o)
Cheers,
Greg
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