Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010

On Jul 2, 2011 1:49 AM, "Dave Hansen" wrote: > > On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 23:45 -0400, Josh Doe wrote: > > The TIGER wiki page (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TIGER) has > > been woefully out-of-date for quite a while now, so I've gone through > > and cleaned it up as best I could (I still haven'

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010

On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 23:45 -0400, Josh Doe wrote: > The TIGER wiki page (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TIGER) has > been woefully out-of-date for quite a while now, so I've gone through > and cleaned it up as best I could (I still haven't gotten a definitive > answer as to whether 2005 or 200

[Talk-us] TIGER 2010

The TIGER wiki page (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TIGER) has been woefully out-of-date for quite a while now, so I've gone through and cleaned it up as best I could (I still haven't gotten a definitive answer as to whether 2005 or 2006 data was imported back in 2007/2008 by Dave Hansen). I a

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

Having said that: let's start a thread here about getting the TIGER data moving along. What steps can we take to move the shapefiles in to OSM format? How can we collaborate on the mapping to OSM tags? Re: TIGER 2010 tags To move things along, how about starting with the page http://wiki.ope

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

Also, it will be critical to future maintenance to keep an archive copy of the OSM that is deployed. The archive can be used to create a much smaller diff from future versions of TIGER so that updates which have not already been surveyed can be applied much quicker and with minimal labor.__

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

>Some notes from my editing in southern California: > >In some places (UT comes to mind), people have begin using name:prefix to >(correctly) remove directional prefixes and suffixes from the name tag (see >>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Directional_Prefix_%26_Suffix_Indica

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

At 2011-01-05 08:00, Mike N. wrote: ... The tool would "un-abbreviate" both the new and existing TIGER datasets so that name comparisons catch only actual changes.    In addition, the end result of the "Import, merge and review" process is that all TIGER names would be expanded and the tiger:revi

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

I have looked at some TIGER 2010 extracts in areas I'm familiar with, and have some more concrete ideas to suggest. Ian may have time to create a customized import tool that will make the whole process much easier. Here are some ideas for the workflow that should work in both "the boonies" wh

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

We have discussed [1] a cheaper way of doing it to at least be a better approximation and Antony commented on my blog saying that they would try to incorporate this. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2010-December/004977.html (and the following 3 messages) Toby On Tue, Dec 21, 201

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Antony from MapQuest basically said that in order to do it correctly it would take a full-history planet dump and they don't have the space to do it: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2010-December/004976.html On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 12:08 AM, Alan Mintz > wrote: > Anyone know if

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

Anyone know if the problem with the tigerviewer map showing too much red is being worked on, or where to report it? At 2010-12-16 06:07, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2010-12-15 10:04, Ian Dees wrote: Look at the TIGER edited map. There is *lots* of untouched TIGER data in OSM: http://open.mapquestapi.com/

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 09:56 -0600, Toby Murray wrote: > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Mike N. wrote: > >I don't know how to back to git directly, plus I have no way to test > > this, but I've attached the logic to check TIGER version as I understand it. > > At first I thought this wasn't q

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 11:08 -0500, Mike N. wrote: >The user DaveHansenTiger posted what looked like edits / > corrections > since the original upload, so the date range is best for that. The uploads were all done with my original DaveHansen. When people starting saying that they were now co

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Mike N. wrote: I don't know how to back to git directly, plus I have no way to test this, but I've attached the logic to check TIGER version as I understand it. At first I thought this wasn't quite right but actually I guess it might be. The version after D

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Mike N. wrote: >    I don't know how to back to git directly, plus I have no way to test > this, but I've attached the logic to check TIGER version as I understand it. At first I thought this wasn't quite right but actually I guess it might be. The version after D

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Alan Mintz wrote: > > Looks like any road that was last edited by balrog-kun is set to red, > regardless of where it came from originally. Yes, yesterday we determined that the TIGER edited map only looks at the latest version of a way. However I had assumed that

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

At 2010-12-16 06:41, Andrew Ayre wrote: http://open.mapquestapi.com/tigerviewer/index.html?zoom=15&lat=32.44121&lon=-110.75789&layers=B Looks like any road that was last edited by balrog-kun is set to red, regardless of where it came from originally. -- Alan Mintz

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

Andrew Ayre wrote: Alan Mintz wrote: At 2010-12-15 10:04, Ian Dees wrote: Look at the TIGER edited map. There is *lots* of untouched TIGER data in OSM: http://open.mapquestapi.com/tigerviewer/index.html?zoom=9&lat=40.07546&lon=-76.32&layers=B

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

Alan Mintz wrote: At 2010-12-15 10:04, Ian Dees wrote: Look at the TIGER edited map. There is *lots* of untouched TIGER data in OSM: http://open.mapquestapi.com/tigerviewer/index.html?zoom=9&lat=40.07546&lon=-76.32&layers=B

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

At 2010-12-15 10:22, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: Would someone have enough resources to convert all of the TIGER 2010 shapefiles into OSM XML data and load that into a blank OSM database with a new Mapnik instance (with a custom style) as well? That way you could use the TIGER 2010 data as a backgrou

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

At 2010-12-15 10:04, Ian Dees wrote: Look at the TIGER edited map. There is *lots* of untouched TIGER data in OSM: http://open.mapquestapi.com/tigerviewer/index.html?zoom=9&lat=40.07546&lon=-76.32&layers=B Do you know what the criteria are for red vs. green? Unless this came from a very old da

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

At 2010-12-15 09:52, Mike N. wrote: Having said that: let's start a thread here about getting the TIGER data moving along. What steps can we take to move the shapefiles in to OSM format? How can we collaborate on the mapping to OSM tags? What is it you want to import from TIGER 2010 in the firs

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

I THINK the file you need where the rules are, is: https://github.com/MapQuest/TIGER-Edited-map/blob/master/inc/layer-tiger.xml.inc If you guys want to build more fine-grained rules and contribute them back, that would be truly awesome I don't know how to back to git directly, plus I ha

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

I just posted a new version of my nationwide TIGER map as well as the logic behind the version 3 statement on my blog: Great analysis - that illuminates the TIGER edits nationwide. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.open

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Well I thought about this some more tonight and ran some queries on my own database. I'm not sure how to write this in renderer-speak and it still isn't quite perfect but if you have access to the version number of the way in the line table that is being queried, I would suggest adding an additiona

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

Yep, the TIGER unedited map is *not* perfect here's the style file up on Git https://github.com/MapQuest/TIGER-Edited-map the rules are in there. Basically, we can't afford to have the complete history of a way, so we have to go with the latest version as a guide I THINK the file you need w

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 15:09 -0800, David Muir Sharnoff wrote: > > I just tried this tool and the results it gives are incorrect. > > For example, it shows this area as unedited and that is 100% > incorrect. > > http://open.mapquestapi.com/tigerviewer/index.html?zoom=17&lat=37.82347&lon=-122.1941

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

Looking at the data I think Mapquest is making the same mistake I made on my map. All the ways in the area were last touched by balrog-kun which was the automated edit to expand street name abbreviations. So even though other people touched the ways before balrog-kun did, he is considered the "owne

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

I just tried this tool and the results it gives are incorrect. For example, it shows this area as unedited and that is 100% incorrect. http://open.mapquestapi.com/tigerviewer/index.html?zoom=17&lat=37.82347&lon=-122.19419&layers=B -Dave On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Ian Dees wrote: > OSM:

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Ian Dees wrote: >> How much of that is there, anyway? > > Look at the TIGER edited map. There is *lots* of untouched TIGER data in > OSM: > http://open.mapquestapi.com/tigerviewer/index.html?zoom=9&lat=40.07546&lon=-76.32&layers=B At the risk of being accuse

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

It would be good to document the process for loading the shape files into a database and setting up mapnik to render from that database. I don't have the resources to do the whole US but I'd like to experiment with my neighborhood. A quick way to take a look is to use shp-to-osm with TIGER ru

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Ian Dees wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Ian Dees wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: >>> >>> I'd start with getting a wiki page set up with the types of >>> information that is stored in the TIGER 2010 shapefiles. >>>

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Ian Dees wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > >> >> I'd start with getting a wiki page set up with the types of >> information that is stored in the TIGER 2010 shapefiles. >> >> > Sounds like a great idea. > > I created a stub page h

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Ian Dees wrote: > > > > I really don't want to run into the situation we currently have with NHD > > where everyone is doing the conversion with different tools using > different > > sets of mapping files

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Ian Dees wrote: > > I really don't want to run into the situation we currently have with NHD > where everyone is doing the conversion with different tools using different > sets of mapping files and uploading in different ways. Let's have a > discussion about how

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Anthony wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Ian Dees wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Anthony wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Ian Dees wrote: > >> > First of all, can we agree as a group to hold off on importing or > >> >

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Ian Dees wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Anthony wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Ian Dees wrote: >> > First of all, can we agree as a group to hold off on importing or >> > applying >> > any TIGER 2010 data until we come up with a way t

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

New streets can probably be detected using something like the incremental road import for BMO in France. It should help locating those. Emilie Laffray On 15 December 2010 17:52, Mike N. wrote: > Having said that: let's start a thread here about getting the TIGER data >>> moving along. What step

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Anthony wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Ian Dees wrote: > > First of all, can we agree as a group to hold off on importing or > applying > > any TIGER 2010 data until we come up with a way to apply changes in a > > uniform and somewhat organized manne

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

Having said that: let's start a thread here about getting the TIGER data moving along. What steps can we take to move the shapefiles in to OSM format? How can we collaborate on the mapping to OSM tags? What is it you want to import from TIGER 2010 in the first place? I'm not convinced there's a

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > 2) Imports with existing data on the same area are nearly impossible +10. Unless the import is done manually, I don't foresee it being a positive thing. I'd love to be proven wrong, though.

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Ian Dees wrote: > First of all, can we agree as a group to hold off on importing or applying > any TIGER 2010 data until we come up with a way to apply changes in a > uniform and somewhat organized manner? I don't see why TIGER 2010 should be treated differently

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

Imports are bad, but imagry is good. Good imports aren't necessarily bad - it's as if a single *very active* mapper covers a large area. The future maintenance of that mapper's contributions is the same as if the data came from an import. I think that's because people feel they're a part

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Ian Dees wrote: > Hi Talk-US, > First of all, can we agree as a group to hold off on importing or applying > any TIGER 2010 data until we come up with a way to apply changes in a > uniform and somewhat organized manner? Preach it brother! > I really don't want t

[Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

Hi Talk-US, First of all, can we agree as a group to hold off on importing or applying any TIGER 2010 data until we come up with a way to apply changes in a uniform and somewhat organized manner? I really don't want to run into the situation we currently have with NHD where everyone is doing the

[Talk-us] TIGER 2010 rollout

The TIGER 2010 rollout has begun. They will trickle out by state over the next 2-3 months. http://www.census.gov/geo/www/tiger/tgrshp2010/tgrshp2010.html As of today, only Louisiana, New Jersey, Mississippi, and Virginia are available. ___ Tal