Hello Sean,
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:31:08 -0600 GMT (21/11/02, 09:31 +0700 GMT),
Sean wrote:
TF No, you get privacy for the normal price (irrespective of the fact
TF that we have determined that this matter has nothing to do with
TF privacy). There is no extra fee for it.
The 'educational' line
Hello Thomas!
On Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 1:09:39 AM you wrote:
Privacy has to be paid for? Privacy is only for the rich?
No, you get privacy for the normal price (irrespective of the fact
that we have determined that this matter has nothing to do with
privacy). There is no extra fee
Hello Sean!
On Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 3:31:08 AM you wrote:
The 'educational' line in the x-mailer header gives out information
about me that some people would otherwise not know. It's not a huge
deal
It *is* a big issue, as marketing people now know enough about you to
make you part
Hello Thomas!
On Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 8:24:39 AM you wrote:
A special discount is given for those who are in the educational field
*and* are not ashamed of it. If one of the two doesn't apply, why do
you want to take advantage of a special discount that is only given
when both
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:'
TF Rit's alternative would have to be to discontinue student
TF discounts, so you don't need to feel singled out. It is your
TF choice to shut this door for people who do not mind singling
TF themselves out by applying for
Hello Dierk,
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:47:43 +0100 GMT (21/11/02, 15:47 +0700 GMT),
Dierk Haasis wrote:
But none of that has anything to do with privacy.
Correct. Not even with this thread.
The main point is that *I* decide what I want to give away and what
not - nobody else.
You have *no
Hello Allie,
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 04:49:28 -0500 GMT (21/11/02, 16:49 +0700 GMT),
Allie C Martin wrote:
TF Rit's alternative would have to be to discontinue student
TF discounts, so you don't need to feel singled out. It is your
TF choice to shut this door for people who do not mind singling
TF
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:47:43 +0100
Dierk Haasis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
But none of that has anything to do with privacy. The main point is
that *I* decide what I want to give away and what not - nobody else.
I'm going to butt in here. The point is that you *did* decide. You
decided
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:'
TF You have *no right* to a discount. The vendor decides when and
TF if they give you one. The vendor will also set the conditions.
TF If you don't like the conditions, don't take advantage of a
TF special discount. If you
Hi,
Jonathan Chattin wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
Hmmm, I've never been very fond of the whole Human Right argument.
To be honest it is fairly silly. Nature doesn't guarantee anything.
Therefore it is somewhat irrational to assume that one has a right
to anything simply because one
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:'
I wager then that it has nothing to do with the X-Mailer headers.
TF They just put it in, as a condition coming with the discount. I
TF don't even think they thought a lot about this.
And here lies the real point I
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:29:58 +0100
Markus Gloede [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Should you decide to do some more armchair philosophy, you might check
out Hobbes (not the Calvin kind) or Locke and whatthey have to say
about natural rights. :)
I'm always looking for a good book. Is there a
Hallo Jonathan,
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 05:15:23 -0500 GMT (21/11/02, 17:15 +0700 GMT),
Jonathan Chattin wrote:
Hmmm, I've never been very fond of the whole Human Right argument. To
be honest it is fairly silly. Nature doesn't guarantee anything.
But the United Nations do. Human Rights are
Hello Jonathan!
On Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 11:15:23 AM you wrote:
Hmmm, I've never been very fond of the whole Human Right argument. To
be honest it is fairly silly. Nature doesn't guarantee anything.
Nothing to do with Nature - whatever that should mean. Nature is in
the best sense
Hello Allie,
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 05:17:46 -0500 GMT (21/11/02, 17:17 +0700 GMT),
Allie C Martin wrote:
Stick a pin. Sean wasn't actually complaining to Ritlabs. He asked
for a solution.
I was replying to Dierk, who is using a personal version and made a
bigger deal out of it than Sean. Sean
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:53:09 +0700
Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hallo Jonathan,
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 05:15:23 -0500 GMT (21/11/02, 17:15 +0700 GMT),
Jonathan Chattin wrote:
Hmmm, I've never been very fond of the whole Human Right argument.
To be honest it is fairly silly.
Hi,
Jonathan Chattin wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
I'm always looking for a good book. Is there a particular title that
you recommend?
Hobbes's Leviathan is not an easy read, but here it is:
http://www.orst.edu/instruct/phl302/texts/hobbes/leviathan-contents.html
I'm leaving this
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:'
TF I was replying to Dierk, who is using a personal version and
TF made a bigger deal out of it than Sean. Sean didn't complain
TF about targeted ads, either; Dierk did.
Dierk gave a good example of how such seemingly
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In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Allie C Martin [ACM] wrote:'
ACM You're not looking at it from a point of principle. A
ACM principled approach avoids this sort of subjective assessment
ACM that's really not valid, since it's just that
On Wednesday, November 20, 2002 at 20:31:08 GMT -0600 (which was 8:31 PM where I
live), thus spake Sean on the subject of Student, Private, and Business versions:
S The 'educational' line in the x-mailer header gives out information
S about me that some people would otherwise not know. It's
Hello Allie C Martin,
ACM I think it prudent that we take any further discussion on this
ACM matter off-list and I hereby make it an official request.
Danken Sie Gott! ;-) X-ray rules over headers!
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Warmest tropical wishes,
Spike
Hint of the day: C:\deltree\bin\laden
Hello Dierk,
Thursday, November 21, 2002, 2:47:43 AM, you wrote:
DH Hello Thomas!
very big snip
DH Just two examples where information gathering seemed perfectly
DH harmless until times changed:
DH 1. In Denmark you didn't have anything to fear in the 1930s
DH when a survey
Hello Markus,
Thursday, November 21, 2002, 4:29:58 AM, you wrote:
MG Jonathan Chattin wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
Hmmm, I've never been very fond of the whole Human Right argument.
To be honest it is fairly silly. ... Ok, enough armchair philosophy I'll
stop now.
MG Should you decide
ON Thursday, November 21, 2002, 2:44:58 PM, you wrote:
GV That being said, I'd personally prefer if there were an option in TB
GV to turn off all of the client-generated X- headers. But that's just
GV me.
No. that's me to and I would like top be able my own ;-)
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Best regards,
Gerard
Hi Sean,
On Monday, November 18, 2002 23:18 your local time, (Tuesday, 11:03 my
local time), you [S] wrote:
S Oh, it's not really bad, otherwise I wouldn't still be at the
S university! But the educational line in TB! headers has
S occasionally caused people to assume that I am of 'college age'
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:'
The rest seemed like going in circles. However, you said this:
TF It doesn't help the recipients, but it helps marketing. If this
TF is not clear, we would probably have to move to TBOT. However, I
TF am referring to STP
Hello Allie,
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 04:55:44 -0500 GMT (20/11/02, 16:55 +0700 GMT),
Allie C Martin wrote:
TF It doesn't help the recipients, but it helps marketing. If this
TF is not clear, we would probably have to move to TBOT. However, I
TF am referring to STP theory (segmentation, targeting,
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:'
TF Assuming that recipients view this header. Come to think of it,
TF this header is shown on my computer,
That's rare. Most clients will not show this without your
specifically checking the headers for it.
TF but Joe
Hello Allie,
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:06:55 -0500 GMT (20/11/02, 18:06 +0700 GMT),
Allie C Martin wrote:
But I guess, through this very same reasoning, one wonders, why fuss
at all over what other's might think about what they aren't seeing.
:)
ACK. ;-)
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Cheers,
Thomas.
Moderator der
Hello Thomas!
On Wednesday, November 20, 2002 at 5:45:11 AM you wrote:
No, I am suggesting that they pay the normal price if they are
concerned about this.
Privacy has to be paid for? Privacy is only for the rich?
As a professional cynic I like that ... specifically for Third World
Hello Dierk,
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:58:33 +0100 GMT (21/11/02, 00:58 +0700 GMT),
Dierk Haasis wrote:
No, I am suggesting that they pay the normal price if they are
concerned about this.
Privacy has to be paid for? Privacy is only for the rich?
No, you get privacy for the normal price
Hello Sean,
On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:18:01 -0600 GMT (19/11/02, 12:18 +0700 GMT),
Sean wrote:
TF What is bad about being a student?
Oh, it's not really bad, otherwise I wouldn't still be at the
university! But the educational line in TB! headers has occasionally
caused people to assume that I
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:'
TF What is bad about being a student?
To me, it's all about privacy. People should have a right to their
privacy unless there's a very good reason for compromising it.
I'm not ashamed of my profession but I certainly
Hello Allie,
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 06:00:50 -0500 GMT (19/11/02, 18:00 +0700 GMT),
Allie C Martin wrote:
TF What is bad about being a student?
To me, it's all about privacy. People should have a right to their
privacy unless there's a very good reason for compromising it.
Everybody can buy the
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:'
TF Everybody can buy the Personal version, and this doesn't say
TF anything. Even students are entitled to buy it. If you want to
TF pay less, you will have to live with this (minor) privacy
TF compromise.
Minor to you.
Hello Allie,
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:58:19 -0500 GMT (20/11/02, 05:58 +0700 GMT),
Allie C Martin wrote:
TF Everybody can buy the Personal version, and this doesn't say
TF anything. Even students are entitled to buy it. If you want to
TF pay less, you will have to live with this (minor) privacy
TF
Hello The Bat! users:
What's the difference between Student, Private, and
Business versions of The Bat!? Just curious.
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Sergey E Kalabekov
Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 98 4.10.
Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information
Hi Sergey,
on Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:53:54 -0600GMT (18.11.02, 19:53 +0100GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
SK What's the difference between Student, Private, and
SK Business versions of The Bat!? Just curious.
AFAIK it's just the price. :-)
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On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 08:18:23PM +0100, Peter Meyns wrote:
SK What's the difference between Student, Private, and
SK Business versions of The Bat!? Just curious.
AFAIK it's just the price. :-)
it also shows in mail headers
-subhi
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Subhi S Hashwa *** [EMAIL PROTECTED
Hi Sean,
on Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:12:03 -0600GMT (18.11.02, 21:12 +0100GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
SSH it also shows in mail headers
S Which I wish it wouldn't! I hate to have my mail headers advertise
S that, yes, I'm *still* a student. Any way to change
Hallo Sean,
On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:12:03 -0600GMT (18-11-02, 21:12 +0100GMT, where
I live), you wrote:
S Which I wish it wouldn't! I hate to have my mail headers advertise
S that, yes, I'm *still* a student. Any way to change that in TB?
Not within TB, but if you use a tool like X-Ray, you can
Hello Sean,
On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:12:03 -0600 GMT (19/11/02, 03:12 +0700 GMT),
Sean wrote:
Which I wish it wouldn't! I hate to have my mail headers advertise
that, yes, I'm *still* a student. Any way to change that in TB?
What is bad about being a student?
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Cheers,
Thomas.
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