Hello, The Bat Users!
You've already got that - hit Ctrl-Shift-F in the message list
window when you've marked the appropriate message and a dialog
pops up asking you what criteria to use and where to move it to
(a simplified version of the Account|Sorting Office/Filters menu
Sunday, January 09, 2000, 4:57:41 PM, Quin wrote:
> When you don't like other users' suggestions, you demand they
> work/think/behave like you and get along without whatever has been
> suggested. Of course, you could take a risk and learn to get along
> _with_ some features you haven't approved ju
Hello dMb,
On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 11:42:37 -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, January 09, 2000, 11:42:37 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
dMb wrote:
dMb> Steve wrote:
>> BTW, CNTL-ALT-DEL in NT is to login.
dMb> Grrr.
dMb> I thought that this was a joke when I first saw it.
To be hones
Hello Steve Lamb,
On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 06:47:11 -0800 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, January 09, 2000, 9:47:11 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Steve Lamb wrote:
Steve> On Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 09:41:09PM +0700, tracer wrote:
>> The only thing which almost always works...
Steve> Never hardl
Hi John,
On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 18:54:23 +GMT (10/01/2000, 02:54 +0800GMT),
John Sullivan wrote:
JS> Going back to MS's Object Model design guide[1], one of the design
JS> models they recommend is that the host application implement events
May I comment here that Object-Oriented Progamming (OOP
Hello Steve,
Sunday, January 09, 2000, 4:48:42 AM, you wrote much about the subject
field and other related matters, none of which is quoted here.
Personally, I'm beginning to see the whole matter as much ado about
nothing. Any TB! user can suggest features. If the TB! program
developers think t
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Sullivan)
Date: 03/10/20, 06:54:23 ã
Subject: Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
On Sunday 9 January 2000 Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:
> On 9 Jan 00, at 3:24, Steve Lamb wr
On Sunday 9 January 2000 Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:
> On 9 Jan 00, at 3:24, Steve Lamb wrote:
>> Plug-ins are not the end-all, be-all answer, trust me.
I agree here. After all, the logical extension of this is the null
application which does *nothing* other that to make calls to its
plug-ins
Sunday, January 09, 2000, 6:35:39 AM, Allie wrote:
> BTW: Although the RFC was good information, it was a refute to a point I
> didn't make. I specifically said that the subject inclusion was not a must
> and that it was proper. Netiquette guidelines instruct you on what you
> should do, not what
Steve wrote:
> BTW, CNTL-ALT-DEL in NT is to login.
Grrr.
I thought that this was a joke when I first saw it.
But let's not even go there.
Derek, who still has a problem pressing those keys when logging on at
work.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -'95 Concours
DoD #1359 COG #2103 SR #772 AEE
Hi there!
On 9 Jan 00, at 3:24, Steve Lamb wrote
about "Re: Wish list from a new user of Th":
> > It would appear to me that people are not seeing the obvious. There
> > is a way to fill both needs, and that's through the appropriate use of
> > plug ins.
>
> Plug-ins are not the end-al
In Reference to "Wish list from a new user of The Bat" From Steve Lamb:
>> They have built themselves one hell of a bottom line. ;-)
SL> So does a professional killer, doesn't mean either of them should be
SL> emulated.
Ah, a paid assassin! Isn't that what J
Hi tracer,
On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, at 21:41:09 [GMT +0700] you wrote:
Steve>> I hope they neither read nor follow anything from Microsoft. MS has not
Steve>> built anything decent, ever.
> They did: Control-Alt-Delete.
> The only thing which almost always works...
Nope. In my days of using
Hello Allie,
Saturday, January 08, 2000, 4:58:38 AM, you wrote:
AM> On Sat, 8 Jan 2000 00:49:02 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
>>> It's one thing to have a popup message appear only when you
>>> failed to do something rather than have it appear anytime you wish to
>>> do something. IOW compar
On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 03:48:42 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
[..snip..]
> You also should put a sig delimiter, have the sig less than 5 lines,
> write in English, use proper spelling, quote properly, do not ramble on
> excessively, not flame someone, etc.
> I do not advocate the computer making
On Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 09:41:09PM +0700, tracer wrote:
> The only thing which almost always works...
Never hardlocked your machine, I take it? Or had windows intercept it and
cheerily tell you you're waiting for Windows to display the right dialog...
yet have windows lock so it never will?
On Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 07:55:45AM -0600, Nick Danger wrote:
> They have built themselves one hell of a bottom line. ;-)
So does a professional killer, doesn't mean either of them should be
emulated.
--
Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
ICQ
Hello Steve Lamb,
On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 03:25:51 -0800 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, January 09, 2000, 6:25:51 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Steve Lamb wrote:
Steve> Friday, January 07, 2000, 7:19:35 PM, John wrote:
>> I hope they read Microsoft's documents on good Object Model design,
>> an
Hello Andrew K. Lovetski,
On Sat, 8 Jan 2000 23:27:47 +0300 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, January 09, 2000, 3:27:47 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Andrew K. Lovetski wrote:
Andrew> Hello, The Bat Users!
TF - "Kill file". Right clicking on a message automatically sets
TF up a
In Reference to "Wish list from a new user of The Bat" From Steve Lamb:
SL> I hope they neither read nor follow anything from Microsoft. MS has not
SL> built anything decent, ever.
They have built themselves one hell of a bottom line. ;-)
--
- Nick
Nick Danger's Co
On Sat, 8 Jan 2000 23:27:47 +0300, Andrew K. Lovetski wrote:
[..snip..]
AM>> b) Upon creation, the filter rule is added by default to the
AM>> bottom of the list of filter rules. Since the proper functioning
AM>> of the filter may depend on where it lies in the filter list, this
AM>> may create
Saturday, January 08, 2000, 7:51:40 AM, Tim wrote:
> That's true, but they would have the same function as the other
> buttons - you wouldn't have to take your hand off the mouse.
Assumption is that the hands were on the mouse in the first place. ;)
--
Steve C. Lamb | I'm
Saturday, January 08, 2000, 4:58:38 AM, Allie wrote:
> This means that you'll see the delete confirmation whenever you wish to do a
> delete operation deemed 'dubious'. Still in contrast to a popup message that
> appears *only* when you fail to do the right thing. :)
However, in this case, yo
Saturday, January 08, 2000, 1:33:54 AM, Douglas wrote:
> But
> "show kludges" is not the same as:
> "show headers."
But the kludges it is showing *are* the headers as defined by RFC822. In
short, TB! had taken a common term and mangled it. This is bad, especially
for people in the suppor
Saturday, January 08, 2000, 1:20:45 AM, Quin wrote:
> True. But that's the purpose of the pop-up: to verify if that's your
> intention.
Right. If it is blank, that is my intention. I don't want the computer
to question me. It is dumb, I am not. I don't need it verifying and approval
stamp
Friday, January 07, 2000, 7:21:36 PM, Allie wrote:
> IOW, if user X, in the spirit of being human, fails to fill in the subject
> and messes up a thread, many innocents will suffer for it.
Noone suffered from it. People who replied could have just as easily
changed topics as well.
> This is
Friday, January 07, 2000, 7:19:35 PM, John wrote:
> I hope they read Microsoft's documents on good Object Model design,
> and the value of automation. And, unlike Microsoft, follow that
> advice.
I hope they neither read nor follow anything from Microsoft. MS has not
built anything decent, e
Friday, January 07, 2000, 6:10:38 PM, Januk wrote:
> It would appear to me that people are not seeing the obvious. There
> is a way to fill both needs, and that's through the appropriate use of
> plug ins.
Plug-ins are not the end-all, be-all answer, trust me.
> When implemented correctly,
Hello, The Bat Users!
TF>>> - "Kill file". Right clicking on a message automatically sets
TF>>> up a filter moving messages by that author into a specified
TF>>> box.
>> You've already got that - hit Ctrl-Shift-F in the message list window
>> when you've marked the appropriate message and
On Friday, January 07, 2000, Carsten Dreesbach wrote:
> Friday, January 07, 2000, 3:06:44 PM, you wrote:
TF>> This ("|") is an "OR" operation. What you want is and "AND" operaton:
TF>> IF .NOT.tim .AND. .NOT.acornarcade .AND. .NOT.iconbar .AND.
TF>> .NOT.webmaster THEN move the mail to the spam
On Saturday, January 08, 2000, Douglas Hinds wrote:
> Friday, January 07, 2000, 1:00:15 PM, Tim wrote in response to:
- Configurable toolbar, so you can remove unwanted buttons and add
others that you do want (I'd quite like a 'show kludges' button.
>>> How about "show kludges" renam
On Sat, 8 Jan 2000 00:49:02 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
>> It's one thing to have a popup message appear only when you
>> failed to do something rather than have it appear anytime you wish to
>> do something. IOW comparing the popup message for deletions that has to
>> be dealt with upon eve
Hello Tim & all fellow TBUDL members,
Friday, January 07, 2000, 1:00:15 PM, Tim wrote in response to:
>>> - Configurable toolbar, so you can remove unwanted buttons and add
>>> others that you do want (I'd quite like a 'show kludges' button.
>> How about "show kludges" renamed to what it is, "
Hello Steve,
Saturday, January 08, 2000, 1:51:11 AM, you wrote:
SL> On Sat, Jan 08, 2000 at 01:02:53AM -0700, Quin Selman wrote:
>> If you always remember to fill in your subject line you'll never see
>> it. On the other hand, if you forget, it will be there to ask you if
>> you want to send the
On Sat, Jan 08, 2000 at 01:02:53AM -0700, Quin Selman wrote:
> If you always remember to fill in your subject line you'll never see
> it. On the other hand, if you forget, it will be there to ask you if
> you want to send the message without a stated subject. Since you
> apparently always remember
On Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 09:51:50PM -0500, Allie Martin wrote:
> It's one thing to have a popup message appear only when you failed
> to do something rather than have it appear anytime you wish to do
> something. IOW comparing the popup message for deletions that has to be
> dealt with upon
Hello Thomas,
Friday, January 07, 2000, 11:07:55 PM, you wrote:
QS>> Since some of us don't always compose the SUBJECT prior to the message
QS>> and so sometimes forget to go back and insert the SUBJECT, we could use a
QS>> REMINDER rather than a WARNING.
TF> I side with Steve here: the remind
On Friday, January 07, 2000, 10:07:55 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
> I side with Steve here: the reminder is teh empty subject line. BTW,
> make it your habit to fill in the subject first.
Oh, so THAT'S what you have to do. ;o) Give me a break !!
> Whether you call a pop-up window a "warning" o
Hallo Quin,
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:18:12 -0700 GMT (08.01.2000, 05:18 +0800 GMT),
Quin Selman wrote:
QS> Since some of us don't always compose the SUBJECT prior to the message
QS> and so sometimes forget to go back and insert the SUBJECT, we could use a
QS> REMINDER rather than a WARNING.
I side
Hallo Tim,
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 23:27:50 + GMT (08.01.2000, 07:27 +0800 GMT),
Tim Fountain wrote:
>>> For people like me who sometimes forget to enter a subject, a
>>> gentle reminder if I try to send a subject-less message to the
>>> outbox would be useful. For someone who (for whatever reaso
Hallo Carsten,
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 16:29:49 +0100 GMT (07.01.2000, 23:29 +0800 GMT),
Carsten Dreesbach wrote:
TF>> Rules on the tab are considered as having been true at the same time,
TF>> to make the filter kick in.
CD> Just a thing on terminology, because this confused me and it might not
CD>
On Saturday 8 January 2000 Januk Aggarwal wrote:
> As I understand it, RIT has
> already said that in V2, they will support plug ins. So what more do
> we need?
I hope they read Microsoft's documents on good Object Model design,
and the value of automation. And, unlike Microsoft, follow that
adv
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 15:40:19 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
>> For anyone who sorts their messages by subject, the two 'threads' would be
>> merged.
> Tough luck. Doesn't mean there should be coddling for it.
Err, I beg you a pardon?? I beg to interject here. I
believe every man should h
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 15:32:14 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> I've forgotten to put Christmas cards inside the envelope before licking
> and sealing them, doesn't mean I want a little text on the back of each, "Did
> you put the card in first?"
It's one thing to have a popup message appear
Hello Januk,
EXCELLENT COMPROMISE!
I love the idea.
(note, that's not yelling, that's cheering ;)
Derek
Written in response to your letter of Friday, January 07, 2000, 9:10:38 PM:
JA> Hello Steve,
JA> Friday, January 07, 2000, 3:32:14 PM, you wrote:
JA>
>> OK. I'd like to request a
Hello Steve,
Friday, January 07, 2000, 3:32:14 PM, you wrote:
> OK. I'd like to request a reduction in options so the options which are
> really important, instead of user coddling, I can continue to find in future
> versions. Thanks. ;P
It would appear to me that people are not seeing
Hello,
Friday, January 07, 2000, 4:55:46 PM, I wrote:
> What you have suggested ends up with the same truth table as the one
> I've suggested, however, I don't know if that's how the Bat operates.
Just in case anyone needs a slightly more rigorous proof, there is a
theorem which states:
Not(
Hello Thomas,
Friday, January 07, 2000, 6:06:44 AM, you wrote:
> Hallo Tim,
> On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:23:22 + GMT (07.01.2000, 21:23 +0800 GMT),
> Tim Fountain wrote:
TF>> So, I created a filter with the following in the strings field:
TF>>'tim | acornarcade | iconbar | webmaster'
TF>
Friday, January 07, 2000, 3:27:50 PM, Tim wrote:
> On Friday, January 07, 2000, Steve Lamb wrote:
>> Friday, January 07, 2000, 2:09:44 PM, Tim wrote:
>>> I doubt many people use the CC and BCC fields on most of the emails
>>> they send, however I expect most people enter a subject.
>> I'm willing
Friday, January 07, 2000, 3:22:54 PM, Quin wrote:
> Have you ever forgotten to put a stamp on an envelope before you mailed it?
I've forgotten to put Christmas cards inside the envelope before licking
and sealing them, doesn't mean I want a little text on the back of each, "Did
you put the ca
On Friday, January 07, 2000, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Friday, January 07, 2000, 2:09:44 PM, Tim wrote:
>> I doubt many people use the CC and BCC fields on most of the emails
>> they send, however I expect most people enter a subject.
> I'm willing to bet most people don't.
> HINT: whenever I start
Hello Nick,
Friday, January 07, 2000, 2:47:24 PM, you wrote:
ND> In Reference to "Wish list from a new user of The Bat" From Quin Selman:
QS>> Since some of us don't always compose the SUBJECT prior to the message
QS>> and so sometimes forget to go back and inse
Friday, January 07, 2000, 2:09:44 PM, Tim wrote:
> I doubt many people use the CC and BCC fields on most of the emails
> they send, however I expect most people enter a subject.
I'm willing to bet most people don't.
HINT: whenever I start a statement with "I'm willing to bet" I'm willing
On Friday, January 07, 2000, Nick Danger wrote:
> In Reference to "Wish list from a new user of The Bat" From Quin Selman:
QS>> Since some of us don't always compose the SUBJECT prior to the message
QS>> and so sometimes forget to go back and insert the SUBJECT
Friday, January 07, 2000, 1:47:24 PM, Nick wrote:
> You see, reminders for unnecessary actions can be added to the point
> of becoming minutia. How about just putting a sticky note on your
> monitor? Personally, I'd like to see all confirmation windows not
> dealing with deletions vanished off th
Friday, January 07, 2000, 1:18:12 PM, Quin wrote:
> Since some of us don't always compose the SUBJECT prior to the message
> and so sometimes forget to go back and insert the SUBJECT, we could use a
> REMINDER rather than a WARNING.
Eyes look up at the subject line, it is blank. I'd call tha
In Reference to "Wish list from a new user of The Bat" From Quin Selman:
QS> Since some of us don't always compose the SUBJECT prior to the message
QS> and so sometimes forget to go back and insert the SUBJECT, we could use a
QS> REMINDER rather than a WARNING.
So yo
Hello Steve,
Friday, January 07, 2000, 10:01:34 AM, in response to the wish,
>> - A warning if you try to send messages without any subject (I
>>frequently forget to add a subject, so have got used to this
>>feature in other email programs. Since I got The Bat I have sent
>>several
Friday, January 07, 2000, 11:00:15 AM, Tim wrote:
> Sorry, I should have been clearer. I meant when quoting quoted text.
> The text I wrote above is now prefixed by '>>', when I would prefer
> '>> > '.
Ah. Personally I prefer no spaces between >'s since screen space is
limited.
>>> - A wa
On Friday, January 07, 2000, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Friday, January 07, 2000, 5:23:22 AM, Tim wrote:
>> The only thing I don't like about The Bat is the fact that it quotes with
>> '>>' instead of '> '. I find a piece of quoted text that looks like this:
> Funny, this is quoted from you and is
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:42:03 +0100, Carsten Dreesbach wrote:
[..snip..]
TF>> - "Kill file". Right clicking on a message automatically sets up
TF>>a filter moving messages by that author into a specified box.
> You've already got that - hit Ctrl-Shift-F in the message list window
> when yo
Friday, January 07, 2000, 5:23:22 AM, Tim wrote:
> The only thing I don't like about The Bat is the fact that it quotes with
> '>>' instead of '> '. I find a piece of quoted text that looks like this:
Funny, this is quoted from you and is starts with "> "
> - A warning if you try to send me
Friday, January 07, 2000, 8:38:47 AM, Allie wrote:
> A very effective method that I use for spam filtering (I got the tip from
> Steve Lamb) is based on two principles. The first is that message
If anyone is interested in seeing examples of this, albiet for another
email client (PMMail), look
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:23:22 +, Tim Fountain wrote:
[..snip..]
> However, one thing I don't seem to be able to master is to setup a
> filter to catch most of the spam sent to me. I've got quite a few
> email addresses (about 30), but all of them contain either 'tim',
> 'acornarcade', 'iconbar
On Friday, January 07, 2000, Carsten Dreesbach wrote:
> Friday, January 07, 2000, 2:23:22 PM, you wrote:
TF>> - Option to colour signature's with a different colour to the rest
TF>>of the message.
> How would you recognize where the .sig is? By the "-- " part? Not all
> .sig's have this.
Hello Thomas,
Friday, January 07, 2000, 3:06:44 PM, you wrote:
TF> This ("|") is an "OR" operation. What you want is and "AND" operaton:
TF> IF .NOT.tim .AND. .NOT.acornarcade .AND. .NOT.iconbar .AND.
TF> .NOT.webmaster THEN move the mail to the spam folder.
TF> You do this as follows (I think)
Hallo Tim,
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:23:22 + GMT (07.01.2000, 21:23 +0800 GMT),
Tim Fountain wrote:
TF> So, I created a filter with the following in the strings field:
TF>'tim | acornarcade | iconbar | webmaster'
TF> That checks the recipient field and has 'no' ticked for 'present'.
TF> Ho
Great suggestions...I agree with all of them... I just have two
comments:
>- A warning if you try to send messages without any subject (I
>frequently forget to add a subject, so have got used to this
>feature in other email programs. Since I got The Bat I have sent
>several emails without subjec
Hello Tim,
Friday, January 07, 2000, 2:23:22 PM, you wrote:
TF> - A warning if you try to send messages without any subject (I
TF>frequently forget to add a subject, so have got used to this
TF>feature in other email programs. Since I got The Bat I have sent
TF>several emails witho
Hi,
I've been using The Bat for a couple of weeks now, and I've already
registered it as it is by far the best Windows mail client I've used.
However, one thing I don't seem to be able to master is to setup a
filter to catch most of the spam sent to me. I've got quite a few
email addresses (abou
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