RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-20 Thread Jill Orr
you at CM in June! Jill From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 2:49 PM To: freddie poer Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion I’m thinking that it’s very

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-20 Thread Jill Orr
you at CM in June! Jill From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 2:49 PM To: freddie poer Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion I’m thinking that it’s very

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-20 Thread Jill Orr
you at CM in June! Jill From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 2:49 PM To: freddie poer Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion I’m thinking that it’s very

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-19 Thread George Veni
that your organization supports recreational caving. Thank you for clarifying this. --- On Fri, 5/18/12, George Veni wrote: From: George Veni Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion To: "'freddie poer'" Date: Friday, M

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-19 Thread George Veni
that your organization supports recreational caving. Thank you for clarifying this. --- On Fri, 5/18/12, George Veni wrote: From: George Veni Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion To: "'freddie poer'" List-Post: texasca

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-19 Thread George Veni
that your organization supports recreational caving. Thank you for clarifying this. --- On Fri, 5/18/12, George Veni wrote: From: George Veni Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion To: "'freddie poer'" List-Post: texasca

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-19 Thread freddie poer
your organization supports recreational caving. Thank you for clarifying this.  --- On Fri, 5/18/12, George Veni wrote: From: George Veni Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion To: "'freddie poer'" Date: Friday, M

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-19 Thread freddie poer
your organization supports recreational caving. Thank you for clarifying this.  --- On Fri, 5/18/12, George Veni wrote: From: George Veni Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion To: "'freddie poer'" List-Post: texascavers@

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-19 Thread freddie poer
your organization supports recreational caving. Thank you for clarifying this.  --- On Fri, 5/18/12, George Veni wrote: From: George Veni Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion To: "'freddie poer'" List-Post: texascavers@

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-18 Thread Mark . Alman
Just wanted to thank all of you for the great response, compliments, ideas, and suggestions to Mimi and my post here on CaveTex. It was encouraging to see all of your thoughts on how to get more material for publication in The TEXAS CAVER and I was pleasantly surprised to hear that not al

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-18 Thread Mark . Alman
Just wanted to thank all of you for the great response, compliments, ideas, and suggestions to Mimi and my post here on CaveTex. It was encouraging to see all of your thoughts on how to get more material for publication in The TEXAS CAVER and I was pleasantly surprised to hear that not al

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-18 Thread Mark . Alman
Just wanted to thank all of you for the great response, compliments, ideas, and suggestions to Mimi and my post here on CaveTex. It was encouraging to see all of your thoughts on how to get more material for publication in The TEXAS CAVER and I was pleasantly surprised to hear that not al

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-18 Thread Mark . Alman
Superb idea, Mark! Editors, do your part. Thanks, Mark -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 4:08 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-18 Thread Mark . Alman
Superb idea, Mark! Editors, do your part. Thanks, Mark -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 4:08 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-18 Thread Mark . Alman
Superb idea, Mark! Editors, do your part. Thanks, Mark -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 4:08 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Butch Fralia
es to see their name in print. Butch -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 4:08 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion I agree with Mallor

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Butch Fralia
es to see their name in print. Butch -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 4:08 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion I agree with Mallor

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Butch Fralia
es to see their name in print. Butch -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 4:08 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion I agree with Mallor

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mark Minton
I agree with Mallory. In the past, grotto newsletters were usually very local in scope and not of general interest to cavers elsewhere. There might also be reports on things like vertical practice or a survey class. When there were enough (were there ever really enough?) articles on

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mark Minton
I agree with Mallory. In the past, grotto newsletters were usually very local in scope and not of general interest to cavers elsewhere. There might also be reports on things like vertical practice or a survey class. When there were enough (were there ever really enough?) articles on

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mark Minton
I agree with Mallory. In the past, grotto newsletters were usually very local in scope and not of general interest to cavers elsewhere. There might also be reports on things like vertical practice or a survey class. When there were enough (were there ever really enough?) articles on

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mallory Mayeux
** > > ** ** > > My 2p. > > ** ** > > -Stefan > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* freddie poer [mailto:freddiepoe...@yahoo.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, May 17, 2012 2:36 PM > *To:* Bill Bentley > *Cc:* texascavers@texascavers.com > > *Subject:* R

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mallory Mayeux
** > > ** ** > > My 2p. > > ** ** > > -Stefan > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* freddie poer [mailto:freddiepoe...@yahoo.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, May 17, 2012 2:36 PM > *To:* Bill Bentley > *Cc:* texascavers@texascavers.com > > *Subject:* R

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mallory Mayeux
** > > ** ** > > My 2p. > > ** ** > > -Stefan > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* freddie poer [mailto:freddiepoe...@yahoo.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, May 17, 2012 2:36 PM > *To:* Bill Bentley > *Cc:* texascavers@texascavers.com > > *Subject:* R

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Stefan Creaser
. -Stefan From: freddie poer [mailto:freddiepoe...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 2:36 PM To: Bill Bentley Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion Now if all who responded to these e-mails would send in just

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Stefan Creaser
. -Stefan From: freddie poer [mailto:freddiepoe...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 2:36 PM To: Bill Bentley Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion Now if all who responded to these e-mails would send in just

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Stefan Creaser
. -Stefan From: freddie poer [mailto:freddiepoe...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 2:36 PM To: Bill Bentley Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion Now if all who responded to these e-mails would send in just

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread freddie poer
Now if all who responded to these e-mails would send in just one trip report, Mark might just have the materials he needs to work with. --- On Thu, 5/17/12, Bill Bentley wrote: From: Bill Bentley Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion To

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread freddie poer
Now if all who responded to these e-mails would send in just one trip report, Mark might just have the materials he needs to work with. --- On Thu, 5/17/12, Bill Bentley wrote: From: Bill Bentley Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion To

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread freddie poer
Now if all who responded to these e-mails would send in just one trip report, Mark might just have the materials he needs to work with. --- On Thu, 5/17/12, Bill Bentley wrote: From: Bill Bentley Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion To

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mark Minton
Thanks, George, for confirming my similar suspicions. I've never thought of the Texas Caver or even the NSS News as particularly science oriented. (The NSS has the Journal of Cave and Karst Studies for that.) Perhaps instead of science the perception is that publications are too heav

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mark Minton
Thanks, George, for confirming my similar suspicions. I've never thought of the Texas Caver or even the NSS News as particularly science oriented. (The NSS has the Journal of Cave and Karst Studies for that.) Perhaps instead of science the perception is that publications are too heav

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mark Minton
Thanks, George, for confirming my similar suspicions. I've never thought of the Texas Caver or even the NSS News as particularly science oriented. (The NSS has the Journal of Cave and Karst Studies for that.) Perhaps instead of science the perception is that publications are too heav

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mark . Alman
rsday, May 17, 2012 9:54 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS; Mimi Jasek; texascavers@texascavers.com; Ray Hertel; GHG Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion The Bexar Grotto has a pretty regular newsletter, too. Kudos to Jill Orr for m

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mark . Alman
rsday, May 17, 2012 9:54 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS; Mimi Jasek; texascavers@texascavers.com; Ray Hertel; GHG Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion The Bexar Grotto has a pretty regular newsletter, too. Kudos to Jill Orr for m

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mark . Alman
rsday, May 17, 2012 9:54 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS; Mimi Jasek; texascavers@texascavers.com; Ray Hertel; GHG Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion The Bexar Grotto has a pretty regular newsletter, too. Kudos to Jill Orr for m

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread George Veni
Reading this e-mail exchange and the perceived focus on too many science articles in the TC made me think that I didn’t recall any recent science articles. So I took a quick at the table of contents for the last nine issues through the start of 2010 and found a total of 60 articles listed. I fou

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread George Veni
Reading this e-mail exchange and the perceived focus on too many science articles in the TC made me think that I didn’t recall any recent science articles. So I took a quick at the table of contents for the last nine issues through the start of 2010 and found a total of 60 articles listed. I fou

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread George Veni
Reading this e-mail exchange and the perceived focus on too many science articles in the TC made me think that I didn’t recall any recent science articles. So I took a quick at the table of contents for the last nine issues through the start of 2010 and found a total of 60 articles listed. I fou

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mark . Alman
t, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:59 AM, wrote: > Believe it or not, not ONE grotto is doing newsletters anymore! > > UTG hasn't done one in years, the DFW's (Oztotl Caver) crashed and burned > and they have resorted to a blog o

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mark . Alman
t, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:59 AM, wrote: > Believe it or not, not ONE grotto is doing newsletters anymore! > > UTG hasn't done one in years, the DFW's (Oztotl Caver) crashed and burned > and they have resorted to a blog o

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mark . Alman
t, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:59 AM, wrote: > Believe it or not, not ONE grotto is doing newsletters anymore! > > UTG hasn't done one in years, the DFW's (Oztotl Caver) crashed and burned > and they have resorted to a blog o

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Allan B. Cobb
The Bexar Grotto has a pretty regular newsletter, too. Kudos to Jill Orr for making that happen. Allan Sent with my fat thumbs on my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:59 AM, wrote: >> Believe it or not, not ONE grotto is doing newsletters any

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Allan B. Cobb
The Bexar Grotto has a pretty regular newsletter, too. Kudos to Jill Orr for making that happen. Allan Sent with my fat thumbs on my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:59 AM, wrote: >> Believe it or not, not ONE grotto is doing newsletters any

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Allan B. Cobb
The Bexar Grotto has a pretty regular newsletter, too. Kudos to Jill Orr for making that happen. Allan Sent with my fat thumbs on my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:59 AM, wrote: >> Believe it or not, not ONE grotto is doing newsletters any

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
What the hell are y'all talking about? Have you been drinking from Mixon's well or something. If cavers want to see more recreational trip reports etc, then SUBMIT them! Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 8:34 AM, freddie poer wrote: > I think that you will find a lot of us "unscienti

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
What the hell are y'all talking about? Have you been drinking from Mixon's well or something. If cavers want to see more recreational trip reports etc, then SUBMIT them! Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 8:34 AM, freddie poer wrote: > I think that you will find a lot of us "unscienti

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
What the hell are y'all talking about? Have you been drinking from Mixon's well or something. If cavers want to see more recreational trip reports etc, then SUBMIT them! Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 8:34 AM, freddie poer wrote: > I think that you will find a lot of us "unscienti

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Lyndon Tiu
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:59 AM, wrote: > Believe it or not, not ONE grotto is doing newsletters anymore! > > UTG hasn't done one in years, the DFW's (Oztotl Caver) crashed and burned > and they have resorted to a blog on their website which no one posts to, the > Maverick Grotto is kaput, the Lu

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Lyndon Tiu
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:59 AM, wrote: > Believe it or not, not ONE grotto is doing newsletters anymore! > > UTG hasn't done one in years, the DFW's (Oztotl Caver) crashed and burned > and they have resorted to a blog on their website which no one posts to, the > Maverick Grotto is kaput, the Lu

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Lyndon Tiu
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:59 AM, wrote: > Believe it or not, not ONE grotto is doing newsletters anymore! > > UTG hasn't done one in years, the DFW's (Oztotl Caver) crashed and burned > and they have resorted to a blog on their website which no one posts to, the > Maverick Grotto is kaput, the Lu

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread freddie poer
I think that you will find a lot of us "unscientific" or sport cavers agree with this. I think there should be a sport caving society formed, that go caving just for the fun of it. Kind of like what the Texas Cavers were twenty years ago. Maybe the caving community has gone a little too far towa

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread freddie poer
I think that you will find a lot of us "unscientific" or sport cavers agree with this. I think there should be a sport caving society formed, that go caving just for the fun of it. Kind of like what the Texas Cavers were twenty years ago. Maybe the caving community has gone a little too far towa

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread freddie poer
I think that you will find a lot of us "unscientific" or sport cavers agree with this. I think there should be a sport caving society formed, that go caving just for the fun of it. Kind of like what the Texas Cavers were twenty years ago. Maybe the caving community has gone a little too far towa

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Jacqueline Thomas
This post is interesting and definitely thought-provoking--thank you. I'm sure there will be discussion in response to this post. Regarding the list of apparently defunct grotto newsletters I wanted to make a correction and a comment: Correction (and not to be critical, but to recognize all tho

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Jacqueline Thomas
This post is interesting and definitely thought-provoking--thank you. I'm sure there will be discussion in response to this post. Regarding the list of apparently defunct grotto newsletters I wanted to make a correction and a comment: Correction (and not to be critical, but to recognize all tho

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Jacqueline Thomas
This post is interesting and definitely thought-provoking--thank you. I'm sure there will be discussion in response to this post. Regarding the list of apparently defunct grotto newsletters I wanted to make a correction and a comment: Correction (and not to be critical, but to recognize all tho