Re: Adjuncts - Working for Peanuts!

2001-10-31 Thread Stephen W Tuholski
I am not sure how to react... here, adjunct faculty only teach... no research, no service. I certainly do not think that people who only teach classes should receive the same pay as someone in a tenure-track position (which includes far more responsibilities). And, just for the record, a

Re: Adjuncts - Working for Peanuts!

2001-10-31 Thread Payam Heidary
Okay Stephen then if you think adjuncts only teach then lets just compare salaries of just teaching classes between part-time and full-time. If you look at how much part-time instructors get paid per unit it is a fraction of what full-timers get. If we are teaching the same classes then we should

Re: Adjuncts - Working for Peanuts!

2001-10-31 Thread pakindle
- From: Stephen W Tuholski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Adjuncts - Working for Peanuts! I am not sure how to react... here, adjunct faculty only teach... no research, no service. I certainly

Re: Adjuncts - Working for Peanuts!

2001-10-31 Thread Louis_Schmier
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, pakindle wrote: Dr. Jill Carroll of Houston, Texas takes an entrepreneurial approach to adjunct teaching. I highly recommend her self-published How to Survive as an Adjunct Lecturer for a different perspective. It is available at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I interviewed Dr.

Re: Adjuncts - Working for Peanuts!

2001-10-31 Thread Paul Brandon
At 11:41 AM -0500 10/31/01, Louis_Schmier wrote: She reminds me of the pigeons I used to feed at a kid on the sidewalks of NYC: runing helter-skelter pecking a peanut here, another there, still another over there. Not sure her form of personal freedom is as free and nourishing as it seems. In

Re: Adjuncts - Working for Peanuts!

2001-10-31 Thread Louis_Schmier
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Paul Brandon wrote: At 11:41 AM -0500 10/31/01, Louis_Schmier wrote: She reminds me of the pigeons I used to feed at a kid on the sidewalks of NYC: runing helter-skelter pecking a peanut here, another there, still another over there. Not sure her form of personal

Re: Adjuncts - Working for Peanuts!

2001-10-31 Thread Stephen W Tuholski
Okay Payam... I would need to see the data before making a conclusion, but it is it not also true (I may be wrong here) that in most businesses, part-timers make less (per unit) than their full-time equivalent? At 08:20 AM 10/31/01 -0800, Payam Heidary wrote: Okay Stephen then if you think

Re: Adjuncts - Working for Peanuts!

2001-10-31 Thread George D. Goedel
Okay Stephen then if you think adjuncts only teach then lets just compare salaries of just teaching classes between part-time and full-time. If you look at how much part-time instructors get paid per unit it is a fraction of what full-timers get. If we are teaching the same classes then we should

Re: Adjuncts - Working for Peanuts!

2001-10-31 Thread pakindle
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Louis Schmier wrote: She works for a lot of scattered peanuts. She reminds me of the pigeons I used to feed at a kid on the sidewalks of NYC: runing helter-skelter pecking a peanut here, another there, still another over there. She does not give this impression in

Re: Adjuncts - Working for Peanuts!

2001-10-31 Thread pakindle
Question by Stephen W. Tuolski on 10/31/01: Okay Payam... I would need to see the data before making a conclusion, but it is it not also true (I may be wrong here) that in most businesses, part-timers make less (per unit) than their full-time equivalent? My personal experience as a CPA is

Re: Adjuncts - Working for Peanuts!

2001-10-31 Thread Louis_Schmier
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, pakindle wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Louis Schmier wrote: She works for a lot of scattered peanuts. She reminds me of the pigeons I used to feed at a kid on the sidewalks of NYC: runing helter-skelter pecking a peanut here, another there, still another over there.

RE: Adjuncts - Working for Peanuts!

2001-10-31 Thread Deb Briihl
, just tell me where to sign up. Haydee Gelpi Broward Community College Florida -Original Message- From: pakindle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:27 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences Subject: Re: Adjuncts - Working for Peanuts! On Wed, 31 Oct

Re: Adjuncts - Working for Peanuts!

2001-10-31 Thread Stephen W Tuholski
Another reality... in my dept., we were just approved for two NEW tenure track lines... this is something that has not happened in decades. What this means is that there will be FEWER part-timers teaching in our dept. Our part-timers tend to be Ph.D. students at area universities who are

Re: Adjuncts - Working for Peanuts!

2001-10-31 Thread Payam Heidary
Mike, Most institutions are not like what you described. In the majority of colleges and universities adjuncts and part-timers ALWAYS make a small fraction of what the full-timers make not to mention all the benefits full-timers also get that part-timers don't either. An exception to the rule

Re: Adjuncts - Working for Peanuts!

2001-10-31 Thread Payam Heidary
Stephen, Let's not compare oranges to apples. We are talking about the academic world not the private sector world. I would be happy to provide you with the data you requested. That would be very simple. I will show you a copy of my paycheck for teaching 2 classes at the same college in the same

RE: Adjuncts - Working for Peanuts!

2001-10-31 Thread Deb Briihl
We used to have tons in the psych dept - then it was decided to get rid of them all. I was here then and Dr. Bauer responded by cutting out almost every Intro to Psych and Human Growth and Development course - we got them back that term, but no more. We have 1 full-time part-time person now,

Re: Adjuncts - Working for Peanuts!

2001-10-31 Thread Stephen W Tuholski
Do the full-time folks hold Ph.D.s? Have they been there longer? I know that I teach the same # of classes as my colleagues, but most make more than I do (some quite a bit more) bc/ I have not been here that long. At 11:19 AM 10/31/01 -0800, you wrote: How can you focus on teaching and your

Re: Adjuncts - Working for Peanuts!

2001-10-31 Thread Payam Heidary
In most cases it does not matter whether you hold a Master's or Ph.D. The pay is for the most part equal in all cases. I am talking about beginning salaries and not when you have been there for several years. But even if you do compare raises of part-timers and full-timers over the years you will

Re: Adjuncts - Working for Peanuts!

2001-10-31 Thread Louis_Schmier
Here at VSU, an adjunct with a Ph.D. gets paid $1800 per course per semester. An adjunct with an MA gets somewhere around $1300. So, the degree does matter. To what degree, is another issue. Make it a good day. --Louis-- Louis

Re: Adjuncts - Working for Peanuts!

2001-10-31 Thread jim clark
Hi On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Payam Heidary wrote: Yes I know about supply and demand and I know full-time faculty are poorly paid also. But the question is why are the SAME faculty who teach the SAME CLASSES in the SAME DEPARTMENT making 4-5 times more for the same work of part-timers. This is

Re: Adjuncts - Working for Peanuts!

2001-10-31 Thread jim clark
Hi On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Payam Heidary wrote: There are people who hold Ph.D.'s who are not qualified to be college professors just like there are people with Master's degree who are not qualified. What makes you qualified and what should determine your pay is NOT which TYPE of degree you

Re: Adjuncts - Working for Peanuts!

2001-10-31 Thread Payam Heidary
Jim, Please read more carefully what I said. I am talking about quality of degree. Levels of educational achievement are up to the individual in what they accomplish while they are attending school. Just because you have a Ph.D. does not mean your OVERALL achievements and educational experiences

Re: Adjuncts - Working for Peanuts!

2001-10-31 Thread Dr. Bob Wildblood
Shannon Gadbois wrote: This comment is insensitive and negates the significance of the issue to entire institutions, individual faculty and to students. Well, with that comment, I do have to say something after having deleted about 40% of the previous posts. First, credentials. I have

Re: Adjuncts - Working for Peanuts!

2001-10-31 Thread Susan Freedman
But for many of us - that's the problem. Adjunct faculty are not exptected, supported or encouraged to do research and/or service. Those adjuncts who have to make a living (driving back and forth to different campuses, prepping numerous classes) cannot do research. Tenure track posistions

Re: Adjuncts - Working for Peanuts!

2001-10-31 Thread jim clark
Hi On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Payam Heidary wrote: Please read more carefully what I said. I am talking about quality of degree. Levels of educational achievement are up to the individual in what they accomplish while they are attending school. I did read what you said. I was very careful to