A religious free software foundation is really going to catch on.
LibSF was created to be a God-fearing alternative to both the Linux
Foundation and The FSF (Free Software Foundation), because of certain beliefs
held by their founders.
I don't know if this is serious or a parody. I'm really curious because this
seems in response to RMS fully supporting
On 07/16/2012 10:26 AM, hos...@gmail.com wrote:
Repeated jabs at rms about his views on disgusting unnatural s*x acts
compelled me to go searching out on the internet. I am absolutely
shocked to find that the rumors are indeed true. Earlier, i thought
they were just rumors spread by propriety
On 07/16/2012 10:44 AM, tegskywal...@hotmail.com wrote:
LibSF was created to be a God-fearing alternative to both the Linux
Foundation and The FSF (Free Software Foundation), because of certain
beliefs held by their founders.
It is not a parody. It is a fundamental difference of foundation.
Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies of this license
document, but changing it is not allowed.
[http://libsf.org/licenses/libsf-gpl-v1.txt LibSF GPL]
oops my mistake, I wrongly read above lines as being the summary of the
license, instead it is regarding permission
On 07/16/2012 01:22 PM, hos...@gmail.com wrote:
Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies of this
license document, but changing it is not allowed.
[http://libsf.org/licenses/libsf-gpl-v1.txt LibSF GPL]
oops my mistake, I wrongly read above lines as being the summary of
You pitched your initiative as being based on your disagreement with RMS's
views on s*x(with which, like you, i'm also in total disagreement). But, your
website shows a totally different setup. And when I pointed it out, you have
being going on and on about religion.
Thousand words cannot
Ok, I'm closing* the comments on this troll hole. Not only is it mostly
off-topic, but it revolves around bashing a person who isn't even part of the
conversation, and that is just rude.
If you want to discuss whether smelling cut flowers does or not qualify as
necrophilia, go to 4chan.
It is a constructive conversation. Don't be jealous because you lack the
power to get 200 replies in a post that you started.
Just remember that RMS is a celebrity and with most celebrities they
personally don't care about you. Sad reality to you I am sure, but he is no
different than the
Few things:
1. I didn't bring this thread back from the dead. I am flattered that it
is
still considered important and people are still commenting on it.
You talk as a politician. But ok, you are in your right of deciding what
people think that it is important. You are also in your right of
In response to Danny and Magic -
1. I have never asked friends of mine to create an account on here to support
me in my viewpoints. They are random people who I do not know that either
support me.or not on their own acccord. I'm not trying to get people to take
sides. That is not my goal.
Can a mod please lock this thread?
It's just troll/flame bait
I watched this show last night (episode 200, called GNU/Linux Action
Show), as well as episode 201 (where the hosts also discuss RMS for a
lengthy segment).
I found the host on the left, Bryan Lunduke, to be of such a kind of
person that I do not believe I can watch this show ever again.
I'm not going to repeat what I said in heavy detail in other posts, but you
are not alone in dislike of Richard Stallman. He is an out of touch, selfish,
controlling, and insensitive person who uses the FSF as a way to pay his
flights so he can give speeches on how proprietary software is
On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:57:06 +0200 (CEST)
tegskywal...@hotmail.com wrote:
I'm not going to repeat what I said in heavy detail in other posts,
but you are not alone in dislike of Richard Stallman.
Well, for not wanting to repeat it you wasted a lot of lines for
remembering it.
It is not my
Few things:
1. I didn't bring this thread back from the dead. I am flattered that it is
still considered important and people are still commenting on it. I'm overly
flattered that I am considered a valuable member on this forum to keep it
from being stale. I mean... there isn't a new
: [Trisquel-users] Stallman on the Linux Action Show
В 16:18 +0200 на 09.07.2012 (пн), pugak...@fakeinbox.com написа:
Is anyone still able to view or download this from the
[http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/17822/richard-stallman-gnulas-s20e10/
given link] by thread starter.
I keep getting
There are direct download links, e.g.
http://www.archive.org/details/RichardStallmanGnulasS20e10
lembas' link is legit. Of course if you want YouTube, it is at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=radmjL5OIaA
В 16:18 +0200 на 09.07.2012 (пн), pugak...@fakeinbox.com написа:
Is anyone still able to view or download this from the
[http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/17822/richard-stallman-gnulas-s20e10/
given link] by thread starter.
I keep getting a 35kb file for all the direct download options
Is anyone still able to view or download this from the
[http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/17822/richard-stallman-gnulas-s20e10/
given link] by thread starter.
I keep getting a 35kb file for all the direct download options on that page.
: [Trisquel-users] Stallman on the Linux Action Show
To: trisquel-users@listas.trisquel.info
Date: Monday, July 9, 2012, 10:18 AM
Is anyone still able to view or
download this from the
[http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/17822/richard-stallman-gnulas-s20e10/
given link] by thread starter.
I
streaming does not work for me, so wanted to download it. very curious to
watch, as it has lead to the longest thread on Trisquel forum.
If you want, I can download it tonight and ftp to you. I'd like the offline
copy myself.
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
--
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 11:44 AM EDT uoujo...@fakeinbox.com wrote:
streaming does not work for me, so wanted to download it. very curious to
watch,
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He mentioned Trisquel :D
It's when reading the interviews of RMS that I realise his genius. Look at
how he answers, how everything he says clarifies things. Instantly ethical
issues are separated from technical and legal ones, everything complicated is
quickly analysed and explained in a
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Well, money is the key to all of this.
Most people new to Free Software (or even open source for that matter) don't
understand how development really works.
Most major Free Software Projects are made one of two ways.
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Hardly extreme views...
Check out:
http://www.stallman.org/
for much more!
El vie, 23-03-2012 a las 12:50 +0100, nycb...@verizon.net escribió:
Hardly extreme views...
Check out:
http://www.stallman.org/
for much more!
It is said clearly that what is written in his personal blog represents
him, not the FSF or GNU. So, there is no point for critizing his
opinions
El 16/03/12 14:47, tegskywal...@hotmail.com escribió:
I'm also aware its not just a social issue, but also a a political one.
A little while back here in the states we had the Occupy Wall Street
movement that mainly consisted of young, college-aged students, older
socialists, and homeless
El 16/03/12 14:47, tegskywal...@hotmail.com escribió:
I'm also aware its not just a social issue, but also a a political one.
A little while back here in the states we had the Occupy Wall Street
movement that mainly consisted of young, college-aged students, older
socialists, and homeless
El 16/03/12 16:37, alonivt...@gmail.com escribió:
GNU/Linux could make money if an OEM pre-installs a distribution and
pays the devlopers of the software money. Unfortunately, none of the
OEMs have committed to GNU/Linux and GNU/Linux deserves at least part
of the blame with the mess the
Stallman didn't give his planned talks in Israel - he planned on speaking at
universities but the Palestinians who were paying for his accomodation
requested that he cancel the talks. They did allow him to talk in places
which aren't connected to the Israeli government.
I suffer from no perception disorder as I see both sides of the argument.
Those who blindly follow the free software initiative without questioning it
have the issues. I know you and I will go back and forth in this thread until
the server crashes, but I have said many times that I support
If you want another voice for free software, then check out the lectures from
Eben Moglen.
Em 20/03/2012 14:44, tegskywal...@hotmail.com escreveu:
I suffer from no perception disorder as I see both sides of the
argument. Those who blindly follow the free software initiative
without questioning it have the issues. I know you and I will go back
and forth in this thread until the
I agree with this - I think Stallman has extreme views on topics unrelated to
software which can be easily used to dismiss his views on free software and
thus he is a bad spokesperson for the FSF. For example, he shouldn't have
mentioned not bringing children to the world as a solution to
I find it peculiar how you constantly accuse rms of unsupported claims
whereas for the entire thread you have successfully failed to provide ones of
your own. E.g. Jobs was evil because he created the whatever the cost - just
make me look cool lifestyle = no Jobs = the software world is
Or Stallman-like where he eats stuff of his own foot? Now on a more serious
note, I welcome you to this discussion so feel free to read my responses and
others before before getting too offended.
The young and modern leader would still follow the 4 freedoms and everything
free software
Sorry, I didn't feel offended - rather irritated by some claims and I may
have got a little carried away. But now that I've got it out of my system I'm
pretty cool actually.
As a matter of fact I even tend to agree with you, I'd however restate the
claim a little. I don't find anything wrong
t3g, In your situation if you license the code that runs on the server (e.g.
JavaScript code) to the client under a permissive free license (i.e. one that
allows the client to release it under a non-free license) you are still
providing the client with all the software freedoms. If the
If some of you are curious to see a FoxNews style show about Stallman and
free/libre software you can check the follow-up of the Linux Action Show.
On the bright side, maybe FoxNews will notice them and land them a
contract...
Alright, so Apache 2.0 then?
I know, it might sound shocking, but there is some truth to what Stallman
says about children. He does it in an absolutely unpolite and mostly
offending way. He is, as usual, unable to bring his point across so that the
majority of people understands him. Don't get me wrong, I find the way
The problem with RMS is that he is the founder of the FSF and is the main
figurehead. When he says stuff like this, it also represents the FSF. I'm
sure there are members of the FSF (both in his office and community) that
have children and disagree with him.
Let's just put this on the
A self hating Jew, huh? He is an atheist.
The problem with having kids, we are hopelessly overpopulating mother Earth.
Unless we stop growing and start de-growing, quality of life will go down to
almost nothing within a couple lifetimes.
But Stallman is a jerk to talking that way to
I read somewhere he was called a self hating Jew after canceling speeches at
Israeli universities in the past.
If he didn't have the corporate money, he would have no money. Google and
Oracle put the money in his pocket so he can fly around badmouthing them. He
would then have to follow
I actually took the time to watch the video (in OGG Theora). I think the
interviewers were really bad, and Stallman was for the most part quite good.
I do think though that Stallman didn't explain well enough how to earn a
living developing custom software, and some of his claims were
While the ogg downloads...
My most recent understanding of the FSF position wrt the Apple App Store was
that yes Apple had stopped specifically excluding copyleft software.
However, the aggregate of their other conditions, namely that developers have
to agree to exclusively distribute the
So you recommend building an application or web script from scratch every
time you have a client instead of simply building it once and licencing it
with minor changes? How does that benefit the additional work for the
developer?
Here's my problem:
Say you do a custom web application for a company and when you sign the
contracts, that company, as part of their contract, says that all entities of
the site belong to them. Its like any other job where you work for someone
and they own the work you produce and you
There is also the aspect of doing stuff on the web where the JavaScript code
is viewable by anyone who does a View Source and the PHP code is hidden due
to it being executed on the server. The software that RMS keeps referencing
is actual software that I make for a client. His views don't
I would say that some people here (and in many other places) have a mentality
of divide and conquer. They insert themselves into these forums and keep
stating that they support this and that, but they show otherwise as time goes
by, and they keep fuelling useless and redundant discussions.
I agree with Magic Banana's point on the ethics. But let's look at the
reality of how the ethics pan out in your situation from a different angle.
There is nothing you or your customer can reasonably do to stop someone
cloning a successful feature on a webpage. As long as they don't copy
Well some projects willingly want you to contribute back like jQuery becuase
they are either community based or foundation based. The reality of that is
they want you to do the free work for them improving and modifying their
script so they don't have to pay people to do it. They make it
Magic Banana, it seems you are describing an I.T. worker setting up a
computer and configuring free software applications for a client to use. I
agree that free software provides work for I.T. staff, and that the developer
could also make money by training people to use the software, writing
See my comment at 22:10 below
Additionally a web designer such as myself could continue to work using only
Free and Open Source software.
The glitch is when we work for employers who institutionally use closed
source software. I've been politely pushing to replace our current website
updating method towards WordPress
Yeah but don't you work in academia and your perspective is a little bit
different? You get paid no matter what to teach something and that paycheck
is always there as long as you remain employed with the company. In your line
of work you are encouraged to share ideas and teach students
Most of the hardware in the Neo Freerunner is open, so companies could simply
buy the hardware from Openmoko and fix the hardware problems themselves
without needing to rely on Openmoko. Anyway, I never had any problems making
or receiving calls when using the latest Openmoko distribution
RMS certainly is an intelligent man and a prophet.
Yet, I understand how a programmer would take issue with his philosophy.
Learning how to program isn't something that a person can't do easily. Just
look at the job listings for programmers and all the languages and software
one needs
I'm just pouring gas on fire here but bare with me...
t3g, you wrote I support GNU, free software, and Trisquel 100%. and used
similar words on free software in other messages.
Now, can you explain yourself as in what part of the free software or GNU
do you support 100% ?
Because, you
I was trying to encompass everything from a Drupal customisation
(https://drupal.org/drupal-services) where there are plenty of 3rd party
providers. Through custom database programs as tailored by the original
developers, the sort of thing that are hidden behind point of sale terminals
or
The biggest argument against gaming here seems to miss the entire point.
ID Software has created the Free Software Gaming Model. Really, it's the
only one I've ever seen be successful (by my standards anyway.)
What most people don't realize is that the art content of the game does not
Thanks for the info. The white book has already been translated to English
here:
http://www.april.org/files/economic-models_en.pdf
It is now on my to read pile.
Thanks again.
People do get motivated by money. Take a look at Trisquel asking people for
money with its membership plans that pretty much say Ruben needs money to
keep this project going. If Ruben were to make the same if not more money
from monthly donations for Trisquel than his real job, then he would
Yeah, but ID is the exception to the rule. I really doubt that the big
publishers like Activision, EA, Nintendo, Sony, and Ubisoft are ever going to
release their game source code. Even if they remove all of the art, they will
be scared about their code being on the net. There were big legal
But ID also licenses their engines. That's step number five on the list I
made for you.
It looks like Unreal Engine is on version 3. As such, why isn't version 2
under the GNU GPL? Or version 1?
Tell me, how many new games out there are being released on Unreal Engine
versions 1 and
Many a mickle makes a muckle would seem to be the way to go. If free
software can't assemble the resources to compete with games that have $Ms
budget can it instead create the next Angry Birds? i.e. a
Replicant/Cyanogen/Android game.
The difference between giving money to a company compared to donations is
that when you pay a company, you know what you are getting the majority of
the time. You go to the store and buy a tablet with certain specifications
because that is what your money is exactly going towards. Same with
Oh btw, Bryan from the Linux Action Show gave some thoughts about his
conversation with Stallman: http://lunduke.com/?p=2273
Actually Ruben is living off his savings in the hope we'll be able to raise
the money to pay him a Spanish minimum wage and sustain the project. There's
a critical bug open because we've not hit last year's target for members.
https://trisquel.info/en/issues/4528
Given you're 100% behind
I'll keep the donation in mind when I get some more cash later on. Due to the
conversion rates, I will have to pay $80 and would have to be on behalf of
the company I use for contract work. That should be ok right?
So distorted from what rms really said...
tegskywal...@hotmail.com wrote:
I'll keep the donation in mind when I get some more cash later on. Due
to the
conversion rates, I will have to pay $80 and would have to be on behalf
of
the company I use for contract work. That should be ok right?
The only automatic method of paying for membership that exists currently is
monthly by Paypal, using
https://trisquel.info/en/member
You would set the per month fee to the minimum 5 € on that page.
One off donations can be made using this page:
https://trisquel.info/en/donate
There it
IOW you support free software only when you can use it to build proprietary
software?
Yeah... there's plenty of businesses and NPO's founded exactly on that idea.
That's why we have no shortage whatsoever of revolutionary new web
frameworks and javascript libraries. There are plenty of
So reading between the lines RMS said nothing more than he has done before.
Being gutter journalists and proprietary software programmers they cook up a
story based on perceptions that were current a decade ago and have long been
demonstrably false. There's no news in it. What is your
I've never seen him take credit for Linux.
Here is what I got from the video:
1. One of the hosts sells software for a living and people buy a license key.
Stallman tells the host that he is unethical and businesses like his should
fail. The only reason that Stallman makes a living is begging people for
free money to donate to the
He never took credit for Linux, the kernel started by Linus Torvalds in
1991. His work started in 1984, **seven years** before the first line of
kernel code was written. He is justifiably annoyed that people insist on
trying to scratch those seven years out of history, leading to the
Let me clarify:
I fully support free software when it is used as a tool. I believe that
operating systems, language compilers, editors, and web browsers should
always be open and free. I can buy any tool whether it is a power saw or
coffee maker and take apart and learn how it works. I can
I'm also aware its not just a social issue, but also a a political one.
A little while back here in the states we had the Occupy Wall Street movement
that mainly consisted of young, college-aged students, older socialists, and
homeless people. Most of these people hated big business even
Not to mention that the feeding the daughter example was an example of an
[http://www.dartmouth.edu/~writing/materials/student/ac_paper/logic.shtml#avoiding
either/or logical fallacy].
Presenting two choices when in fact many exist is a weak argument. Saying
either I write non-free
Same argument, same set responses. You do realize that Stallman lives in a
dream world and doesn't face the problems most people do. I have no clue if
he is married, but he has no kids and doesn't have to commute and sit in a
desk job for years. From his perspective, family is an
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
Sad but true.
I'm not trolling. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a
troll. Especially when my arguments are detailed and not simply OMG GHEY!
responses.
Stallman wants Microsoft to get rid of 80,000 employees. Stallman would
rather people stave and go on government assistance
Money flows. If I buy a piece of bread at the market it may end up
eventually in your hands or stallman's hands or anyone else in between.
Again a either/or fallacy. Plus I think you are just putting words in his
mouth.
Can you show me where he says would rather have them starve and go on gov
assistance then make a living writing software. I believe in fact what he
says is he would rather they make a living writing free
El vie, 16-03-2012 a las 21:30 +0100, tegskywal...@hotmail.com escribió:
You do realize that Stallman lives in a
dream world and doesn't face the problems most people do. [...]
Listening to the rest of this interview really did reinforce that he is all
for himself and his ideals with no
The question to you: if that's what you think all right. But then, why keep
posting on a mailing which is mostly constituted of people with a different
opinion? It's like joining a smoking cessation group to tell people there they
are wrong to quit smoking.
People here gather for their common
And I'll be honest. I find his personality grating. I probably wouldn't want
to hang out with him socially. However even if he does have a difficult
personality that doesn't make him wrong. I respect him in a lot of ways but I
don't know if I would want to be his friend.
That is my view
You aren't answering my arguments/questions where he says any of what you
claim he does.
All I see you doing is making ad hominem attacks against the guy. If I like
him or not has no bearing if his arguments are valid or not.
I'm saying to not take my view on Stallman personally as an attack on free
software as a whole. I think it has a great purpose but sometimes the leader
is very one sided in how things are and doesn't choose his words wisely.
I'm going to have to get back to you on that in either a detailed blog post
or whitepaper. Its after 5 PM here so I have to meet up with the (.Y.) and
spend time with her. You will be in my thoughts though. XOXOXO
t3g, unlike some people here I actually agree with some of your points. I saw
a few of Stallman's lectures and thought they were very good, but I never
quite understood how one was supposed to earn a living developing free
software.
Selling support is an option, but many companies don't
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