Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

ng like followers of Christ.  There are a lot of ex Mormon s, but you can bet your bottom dollar they did not leave the religeon because someone told them how stupid and evil they were.Terry Hey Terry is this an example of what you were talking about?  judyt   On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:22:02 -0700 (PDT) K

Re: [TruthTalk] The Fall

elligent design?"   I have never voiced an opinion on it one way or another. The "martian" thing is no doubt your contribution to my questioning/thinking concerning the "fall."  Next time you have nothing to say about a subject, just say nothing at all.     JD     

RE: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

What did the FEMA training consist of?ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Judy and Terry,   I guess I’m having a senior moment because I don’t remember reading or sending such article.  I can only say that I was horrified that those people were kept locked inside (and later outside) t

RE: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

nly man alive to sin in the Garden of Eden?  For that matter, who tempted woman in the Gardendo you believe LDS folks teach it was God as your below logic suggests?   If not, then why would you use such illogical reasoning to explain why my beliefs are wrong?    Aah..I wish I had

RE: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

cal reasoning to explain why my beliefs are wrong?    Aah..I wish I had the fortitude to not bend my own rules! :-( Kevin Deegan wrote: LDS belief posits that A&E sinned because it was God's plan that they must sin in order to allow them to procreate. This proves that t

Re: [TruthTalk] Are TT Gentiles UNWORTHY?

s an absolute, but our use of truth should be disciplined by other values. ... When truth is constrained by other virtues, the outcome is not falsehood but silence for a season. As the scriptures say, there is “a time to keep silence, and a time to speak.” Apostle Oaks February 1987 Ensign Magazine Kevin D

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

en why would you use such illogical reasoning to explain why my beliefs are wrong?    Aah..I wish I had the fortitude to not bend my own rules! :-( Kevin Deegan wrote: LDS belief posits that A&E sinned because it was God's plan that they must sin in order to allow th

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

Well PTL she is using good Godly Contention! Just like Paul:   1 TH 2:2 we were bold in our God to speak unto you the gospel of God with much contention.     Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No Iz.  Once I delete something, it is gone.  I did, however, take Kevin's advice and go to th

Re: [TruthTalk] The Fall

I always wondered where those martians were from!   And you question Intelligent Design, GO FIGURE![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   We can take it off line, if you prefer.  I have no problem ignoring the Attackers who roam TT, however.    I do read your posts as well as Perry's  --   but, lately, you

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

NoTerry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kevin Deegan wrote:> Love is NOT avoidance of offence> ==No doubt this is true. Do you take this to mean that it is good to be offensive?> --"Let your speech

[TruthTalk] Monumental INSULT!

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46256DAY OF INFAMY, 2001Flight 93 victims honored with Muslim Crescent?Pastor threatens lawsuit, sees design as bow to terrorists"They wouldn't dare put up the Ten Commandments or the cross of Christ, but they're going to put up a red crescen

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

t tempt the only man alive to sin in the Garden of Eden?  For that matter, who tempted woman in the Gardendo you believe LDS folks teach it was God as your below logic suggests?   If not, then why would you use such illogical reasoning to explain why my beliefs are wrong?    Aah..I

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

eave the religeon because someone told them how stupid and evil they were.Terry Hey Terry is this an example of what you were talking about?  judyt   On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: No Answer? Are these questions too tuff or too close to home?

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

aggggh..I wish I had the fortitude to not bend my own rules! :-( Kevin Deegan wrote: LDS belief posits that A&E sinned because it was God's plan that they must sin in order to allow them to procreate. This proves that the God of Mormonism is not the same charater as the God of th

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

u use such illogical reasoning to explain why my beliefs are wrong?    Aah..I wish I had the fortitude to not bend my own rules! :-( Kevin Deegan wrote: LDS belief posits that A&E sinned because it was God's plan that they must sin in order to allow them to procreate. T

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

LDS folks teach it was God as your below logic suggests?   If not, then why would you use such illogical reasoning to explain why my beliefs are wrong?    Aaggggh..I wish I had the fortitude to not bend my own rules! :-( Kevin Deegan wrote: LDS belief posits that A&E si

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

So go ahead and answer the questions and clear the air. Simple fix! While you are at it answer the hundreds of others over the years that you have avoided like the plague.   Till then I say you have something to hide.   Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DAVEH:  In GREEN.ShieldsFamily wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

I'll bet the Mormons the "one True Church" don't ever say they have the truth and only they have it. Does the President - Prophet, SEER and REVELATOR of the Church hold at least some theological misconceptions? Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: he cannot see the truth.DAVEH:   You say that as

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

en?  For that matter, who tempted woman in the Gardendo you believe LDS folks teach it was God as your below logic suggests?   If not, then why would you use such illogical reasoning to explain why my beliefs are wrong?    Aah..I wish I had the fortitude to not bend my own rules

Re: [TruthTalk] The Fall

*sigh* OH PLEAZE!Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DAVEH:   This topic fascinates me, as I'm very curious as to why the Protestants have such a limited (from my perspective) view of the Fall.  But for me to offer my thoughts on this event would be seen as poisoning the well by some TTers.[EMAI

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

Gardendo you believe LDS folks teach it was God as your below logic suggests?   If not, then why would you use such illogical reasoning to explain why my beliefs are wrong?    Aah..I wish I had the fortitude to not bend my own rules! :-( Kevin Deegan wrote: LDS belief posits t

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

which he was created (2 nephi 2:22). Missionary Preparation, Religion 130 p 74 Lesson 10   Please let us know who made the plan refered to above! Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No Answer? Are these questions too tuff or too close to home? Do you claim it was not the LDS god's purpose to

RE: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

It is easily available on the Archive:   http://www.mail-archive.com/truthtalk@mail.innglory.org/ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Terry, do you ever look in your “Deleted” files? iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Tuesday, Sep

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

breaking for the Lord.           Jd   -----Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <openairmission@yahoo.com>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:51:56 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself Better to have divisions th

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

illogical reasoning to explain why my beliefs are wrong?    Aah..I wish I had the fortitude to not bend my own rules! :-( Kevin Deegan wrote: LDS belief posits that A&E sinned because it was God's plan that they must sin in order to allow them to procreate. This prov

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

Love is NOT avoidance of offence   I do not find this Modern nice christianty in application and usage by Jesus JN 6:60 This is an hard saying; who can hear it? When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can't answer the question, either?     Whatever.    Your allegiance to division among the brethren has got to be heart breaking for the Lord.           Jd   -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <openairmission@yahoo.com>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.or

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

ome up with a definition.   Are we so divided, here on TT,  that we cannot come to terms on such a basic consideration?  JDFrom: Kevin Deegan <openairmission@yahoo.com> Stop being so JUDGEmental! Is that what your saying? Or doing?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me put it a different way:   s

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

r the Lord.           Jd   -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <openairmission@yahoo.com>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:51:56 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself Better to have divisions than evil

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

I would like to see your examples also. NO FEAR, deleted old posts? Just check here: http://www.mail-archive.com/truthtalk@mail.innglory.org/   Now we all can see the wicked deeds!  Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Judy, I read these notes hoping to glean a gem now and then and when I have

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

No thanks[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a definition ??   OK  --  I will accept it as it stands.   It is more than obvious that I practice righteous judgment to a "tee"   and you do not.   Prove me wrong.   Jd  -Original Message-----From: Kevin Deegan <openairmi

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

e to terms on such a basic consideration?   JD -Original Message-----From: Kevin Deegan <openairmission@yahoo.com>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 07:46:24 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself Stop being so

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

at we cannot come to terms on such a basic consideration?   JD -Original Message-----From: Kevin Deegan <openairmission@yahoo.com>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 07:46:24 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself Sto

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

If not, then why would you use such illogical reasoning to explain why my beliefs are wrong?    Aah..I wish I had the fortitude to not bend my own rules! :-( Kevin Deegan wrote: LDS belief posits that A&E sinned because it was God's plan that they must sin in order to a

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

Jer But thou shalt say unto them, This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of the LORD their God, nor receiveth correction: truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth.Did JT say he was a "willing servant of Satan"? Are you saying JT "HATES" DH, she is unloving? I do not think JT or anyo

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

Stop being so JUDGEmental! Is that what your saying? Or doing?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me put it a different way:   such talk is immature and reveals the carnality of the believer.   Good reasons for amending the attitude.  It was for me.     JD  -Original Message-From: Kevin

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

LDS belief posits that A&E sinned because it was God's plan that they must sin in order to allow them to procreate. This proves that the God of Mormonism is not the same charater as the God of the bible who tempts no man to sin! it is that "Angel of light" that tempts men to sin. Dave Hansen <[EMAI

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

Mean? What exactly did JT do that was "mean"? Other than disagree. So to disagree with you is mean and uncalled for?Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Give me a little credit, Judy.  I suggested that you follow his example of being courteous and respectful.  Your comment was mean and uncalled

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

Let's share   Could you please pass the poison?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I missed the original post by Terry.   Good words for us all.   I do believe this all goes to why we are here  --  on TT.   to learn, share, or simply to learn what others think  ---   all that is good.   None of us on T

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

Aren't all the CULTists nice & polite? Like Jim Jones, Marshall Applegate (UFO cult) and Hinckley. Nice Polite MINISTERS of RIGHTeousness! How else can the Fox get appointed to "guard" the henhouse? The devil does not wear a redsuit with a pitchfork! And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed

Re: [TruthTalk] No repentance as yet...

God has given them over to a REPROBATE mind!ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46216   Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

Re: [TruthTalk] KATrina

http://atrios.blogspot.com/2005_09_04_atrios_archive.html#112584666746336109Aaron Broussard, president of Jefferson Parish on Meet the PressThe guy who runs this building I'm in. Emergency management. He's responsible for everything. His mother was trapped in St. Bernard nursing home and every day

Re: [TruthTalk] help

You have the "right" wing and the "left" wing, problem is they are the same bird![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you much.  It seems that it makes no difference who is "in power."   What if this "Democrat" "Republican"  thingy is much less than what it is cracked up to be.    One thing none of th

Re: [TruthTalk] Thou Shalt Not Make a Nuisance of Thyself

Thou Shalt Not Make a Nuisance of Thyself LATimes: Dana Parsons   Marjorie Thomas doesn't strike me as the hidden-agenda type. She's 84, recently widowed and dealing with a degenerative eye disease. So when she says she feels like she's being "stalked," it doesn't sound like a word chosen frivolous

Re: [TruthTalk] Fox news story

http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=13876   It took the Judge 5 years to come up with this ruling!http://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/courtweb/pdf/D02NYNC/04-05741.PDF   INDY http://207.41.16.152/opinions/AMF160O1.PDF This was settled with the City Fined & ordered to conduct First Amendment T

Re: [TruthTalk] Creation & Evolution

It seems to me that ICR has some pretty valid SCIENTIFIC reasons for believing in a young Earth.David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: John wrote:> ... it doesn't take 24 hours to say> "Let there be light."But you are saying that day 1 was millions of years. Doesn't your argument here discount you

Re: [TruthTalk] Fox news story

Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks Kevin, You are the only one they have ever dug this ordinance out for? Does this make you feel special?  I guess you've even won out over dogs with a loud bark on this :) Some ppl don't know when they've got it good  judyt   On Tue, 9

Re: [TruthTalk] Fox news story

First off a city ordinance can not overule the constitution Any ordinance that is unconstitutional is DOA and not binding from inception, this is called color of law as it looks like law but is NOT.   Second my freedom of speech is an unalienable right, as it is bestowed by God. No man has a "right

Re: [TruthTalk] Fox news story

appeal, Kevin?    BTW..The sound was OK, but the video quality was extremely poor.  Is there a better (higher quality) download available?Kevin Deegan wrote: I finaly got a copy of the Fox News story it is online here: http://www.studioonline.com/playvideos.asp?crypt=CF15488E9E

Re: [TruthTalk] Fox news story

I finaly got a copy of the Fox News story it is online here: http://www.studioonline.com/playvideos.asp?crypt=CF15488E9E6A0F8E Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page

Re: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: Biblical Pool of Siloam Is Uncovered in Jerusalem]

But alas NO "waters of mormon"   I am glad I have a book that accurately reflects reality!Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Original Message Subject: Biblical Pool of Siloam Is Uncovered in Jerusalem Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:32:07 -0400 http://www.drudgereport.

Re: [TruthTalk] We Cannot Pick and Choose!!

JD My doctor son tried to join the organization.   He was quite taken by some of their blah blas.  He was sent a questionnaire he had to fill out  -- a pledge to a number of "scientific"  conclusions  --   some of which he was questioning at the time.    UNITY UNITY UNITY!   JD  it pushes a 6000 ye

Re: [TruthTalk] The War and other Issues

When you say that "we are winning"   We have not had any more attacks on US soil. Does that qualify?   This may come as a shock to some of you, but the Death Toll is rising. What a revelation, people are getting killed in a war.   I got news for you the purpose of the army is to kill people and blo

Re: [TruthTalk] The War and other Issues

WW II ? That is the LAST war we won.   There is ONLY one problem with war, people get hurt. So let's stick our heads in the sand and hope it goes away.   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My brother was a WW II vet as well  --  D-Day  -- First Army.   He would have thought it just plain stupid to fight a

Re: [TruthTalk] The War and other Issues

Why fight the war over there; so far away, let's wait till it comes over here![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Silliness.   War is no game, Linda.   There are those on this forum who see no point to war at all  --  and that may be where I am headed.   But, for now,  I am what I am.     The war?   Milit

Re: [TruthTalk] Salvation from Judgment

If the penknife fits wear it[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, kevin,  I found your parrot!!   JD  -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:49:34 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Salvati

RE: [TruthTalk] The War and other Issues

Sounds a lot safer than living in Washington D.C.!    Maybe what we need is sweeping new GUN CONTROL laws over there! ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Back up your assertions with facts, JD.  MOST Americans are not fearful wimps.  When you say you no longer support the war you have

Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit

Play by Play commentary provided free of charge by JD On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 01:07:49 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Debbie's responces are great and informative.    JD  -Original Message-From: Debbie Sawczak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:42:4

Re: [TruthTalk] The War and other Issues

God's hand rules in the affairs of men. Maybe God put forth the "Rumour" that there were weapons of Mass destruction.   OB 1The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord GOD concerning Edom; We have heard a rumour from the LORD, and an ambassador is sent among the heathen, Arise ye, and let us rise up

Re: [TruthTalk] The War and other Issues

Maybe you mean Modal not Model?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As of today,   I no longer support the war in Iraq.   I no longer believe that it is winable for a number of reasons:    1.  Iraqi  solders are not bravest solders in the world.       2.  Apparently, corruption at the governmental level is

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Math

Mormon Math Even if member numbers are overstated, is exaggeration a sin? http://www.slweekly.com/editorial/2005/deep_2005-08-04.cfm My colleagues in the Ministry of Truth (informally known as the Department of Propaganda) have been burning the midnight oil ever since The Salt Lake Tribune publis

Re: [TruthTalk] A simple presentation of the Trinity

The Trinity is one of the most misunderstood and misrepresented doctrines of the Christian Faith; Unbelievers say it's incomprehensible and even many Christians say it just simply cannot be ex:plained; "It's a mystery we just have to accept it by faith." Yet, its' really not that hard to understan

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

ecline as you are suggesting.  Do you suppose it will eventually climb to #4 position, knocking out the United Methodist Church in the process?  Time will tell    As for your suggestion about the Church keeping the retention rate a secret, I'm not sure one can even quantify such data.  Kevin

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

 The above subject line reflects an article that Kevin presented that indicates that the conversion rate may be offset by a low retention rate. Kevin did not make it up and is not lying, as you have accused. The BIG FAT ZERO comes from  a report written by Mormon Dr. David Stewart in May 2002 link

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

must consider the retention rate as of late, but the church holds certain information secret.   Why do you think some LDS got so upset about the news articles?Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DAVEH:  Do you truly believe the LDS Church is not growing, Kevin?Kevin Deegan wrote: Looks like the of

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

dge Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were both Freemasons and from what I understand these rituals are part of the Temple ceremonies in SLC  jt   On Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The links stated something to the effect that the LDS Church was the

RE: [TruthTalk] Spirit

Where was that chapter on Spiritual Death?ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jesus didn’t do a lot of explaining, did He? izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie SawczakSent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:08 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubjec

RE: [TruthTalk] Theology from a Heretic

Liberals always think they are rightShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Debbie, have you ever heard a liberal say that he is on the Right??? J izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie SawczakSent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:08 PMTo: TruthTalk

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

you truly believe the LDS Church is not growing, Kevin?Kevin Deegan wrote: Looks like the official LDS site might have gotten it wrong after all!   http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,11-1-13-24,00.html The Church of Jesus Christ Will Never Be Destroyed Since its restoration in 1830, The

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I believe that the LDS church was growing quickly a few years ago. That growth has slowed to a trickle, or no growth. You must consider the retention rate as of late, but the church holds certain information secret.   Why do you think

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

AIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DAVEH:  Do you truly believe the LDS Church is not growing, Kevin?Kevin Deegan wrote: Looks like the official LDS site might have gotten it wrong after all!   http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,11-1-13-24,00.html The Church of Jesus Christ Will Never Be Destroyed Sin

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

mission is to take the truth to every person. Thousands of years ago, the Lord said he would "set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, . . . and it shall stand for ever" (Daniel 2:44).Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot

Re: [TruthTalk] Halloween parade freaks out

Abortion float freaks out city's Halloween paradeFake bloody fetuses, mutilated body parts placing annual holiday event in jeopardy Editor's note: Some images on external links within this story contain graphic material. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45538 While Halloween

Re: [TruthTalk] Theology from a Heretic

Religion in America: A Christian thorn speaks out Read the rest here: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/culture/articles/050719/19religion.htm Q. You don't believe in virgin birth. You don't believe in the Resurrection. You don't believe that Jesus is the son of God. What kind of Christian are you? A.

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

Sounds like it is rife throughout the LDS community, why else would some GET ANGY over statements that Church growth is on a slide? Can you come up with an alternat conclusion?   Several readers were so unhappy to read these findings that they cancelled their subscriptions to the newspaper. To us,

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

If the fastest growing Church indicates some measure of truth or God's favor, what does the slide in membership indicate?Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DAVEH:  Why would you think that is LDS logic to assume such, Kevin?  Read through the posts regarding this thread.  You will see my (and Blaine's

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

DAVEH:  Why would you think that is LDS logic to assume such, Kevin?   bborrow26 Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:00:52 -0800On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:41:53 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 2/25/2005 5:09:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:> > The LDS Church will continue to a

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

k you for resisting the temptation to kill us when the news is bad. This story appeared in The Daily Herald on page A5. FULL STORY AT: In Our View: Don't kill messenger on LDS statisticsThe Daily Herald http://www.newutah.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=60922

Re: [TruthTalk] John 3:3-21

Jehudi Again (doing his work in here)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:     Not all that well written,  I know  --  but maybe it wll help.   Jd          John 3:3 "... unless one is born again (from above) he cannot see the kingdom of God.   A statement of fact or a command statement   --

Re: [TruthTalk] 20 yrs after Hoffman

 http://sltrib.com/utah/ci_2898017 The bombings - 20 years laterAt Sunstone: Principals in the infamous Mark Hofmann forgery and murder case reflect on the lingering effects  What she wanted to talk about on this occasion was what she called "waking up."     She's been asked repeatedly how she coul

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death

.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:23:13 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death Good question - it appears as though to some people I've been influenced by everything BUT the Spirit of God. I'd like to see the facts myself.   jt   On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Ke

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

And if you believe that I have some Swamp Land on Kolob I can sell you!Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kevin Deegan wrote: [Hiram Page] obtained a stone through which he received some spurious revelations. ... So Hiram Page decided to settle the question as to where Zion was

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

s 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.   NAH! Could not be anything to it. Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kevin Deegan wrote: That seems a logical place for G

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

Just Because!   I know the church is True BECAUSE I know the church is True[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/30/2005 2:56:11 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So according to Joe, when Oliver Cowdery and the Whitmer family believed his claim to receive revelation

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

known song! http://solosong.net/wish.html   Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kevin Deegan wrote: That seems a logical place for God to live   So he lives next door to the god of the Jehovahs Witnesses?   God resides on the star Alcyone in the constellation Pl

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death

Maybe she'll have to take a Break, go on a Vacation?Debbie Sawczak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes; after all, that IS a sure sign of the end of the world!! (Or at least Judy's world.)   Debbie - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

G's detractors were complaining about the accessibility, not the value, of the meaning of his posts. Of course, few things are accessible to the lazy, who then have nothing to evaluate.    "When Bernie stood up, he was reborn, and he yelled, “Thank you, Jesus!” over and over, tears pouring down his

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death

Show me the FAXS   How is your perception a TRUISM?David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kevin wrote:> Facts to prove that JT was influenced by Why would any sane person not believe that JT has been influenced by Augustine, Calvin, her flesh, Satan, etc.? Why make an argument out of a truism?

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death

Facts to prove that JT was influenced by ...David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kevin wrote:> Nice THEORY Where are the facts?> You nor BT can prove this Theory anymore> than proving the Tooth Fairy!I gave you some facts with Ezekiel 18 and Exodus 20:5. More facts are available to those who

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

n na NA Noow I gaA itTerry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kevin Deegan wrote:> I would read it if it was understandable. We need a Translator, I > think we have one on TT.> =Maybe if

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Get on board the Magical Mystery Tour BusDebbie Sawczak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Like good song lyrics or a poem. You can't be lazy.   Debbie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] R

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

O so he writes way above our heads? Next thing you know you will be telling us to approve of the Emperor's new clothes! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are we all mad because Professor Ottoson does not write at a 4th grade level?   I like it for just that reason.   I have to sit and think about it for

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

That seems a logical place for God to live   So he lives next door to the god of the Jehovahs Witnesses?   God resides on the star Alcyone in the constellation Pleiades. Reconciliation page 14 & Studies Vol. 3, pg. 327 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Hey Iz, To my knowledge, Joseph Smith never said w

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

plates — that he could also discover the spirits in whose charge these treasures were, clothed in ancient dress." William Stafford quoted in Michael H. Marquardt and Wesley P. Walters, Inventing Mormonism: Tradition & the Historical Record, Smith Research Assoc. [Signature Books], 1994, p.

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

[Hiram Page] obtained a stone through which he received some spurious revelations. ... So Hiram Page decided to settle the question as to where Zion was to be built through his magical stoneOliver Cowdery and the Whitmer family were deceived by the false declarations of Hiram Page. "More Remar

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

"They are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink."  Is 29:9    So you agree, the CONTEXT of IS 29:9 is JUDGEMENT?   How could that be seeing as it is a prooftext for the BoM coming out of the ground from a FAMILIAR (Evil) Spirit?   Why did you leave out the NEXT Verse?

RE: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

I would read it if it was understandable. We need a Translator, I think we have one on TT.ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It only makes sense to those in the right Klingon time travel wave length, Kevin.  That's why I don't even bother to read the stuff. izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [m

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

On pages 111-112 we find verses 1-14 of DC 29. What does D&C 29 have to do with this? I do not see what context or verse to which you refer. There are 50 total verses in this one! http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/29   Since we were talking about SEER Stones maybe you refer to the top of page 111 where

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

Why not just admit you can not make "anything" you want appear Evil.   LDS are brought up in a culture and in a worldview that trains them to filter out, discard any information that is does not fit & or is contrary to that worldview.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Blainer:  That's too easy--give me

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Do you have a secret decoder ring? Maybe if I quickly blink my eyes as I am reading[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This bears repeating --  so here it is again  --  let it sink in.     -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:06:31 -0

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