I have decided that I am going to leave TT for a
while. It is very hard for me to keep up with the 100
some odd e-mails daily. I enjoy reading the posts and
I have really been challenged to back up what I
believe. But my family has to come first over a
discussion group.
I am writing my reasons ou
I have already pulled on my hair several times while
on this forum. But, I stop myself from responding at
times. I go on and read other messages and go back to
the message that disturbed me so much. I reread it.
Then I reread it again. This way I can know that I am
hearing the person the way they w
liar. But
the constant back and for "I know you are but what am
I?" arguments need to stop. I don't think that has
anything to do with righteous anger.
Suzy
--- Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Susan Petersen wrote:
>
> >I am saddened by this. Instea
wrote:
> Serious question: Why? I ask as I wouldn't think
> that.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Susan Petersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: November 19, 2004 14:40
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenant
Romans 5:8 says that while we were yet sinners, Christ
died for us. I agree that repentance is not required
to have salvation. Repentance is a response out of
love and gratitude for that salvation.
I also think that you first need to recognize the need
for salvation - point one in Izzy's post. And
I know that a lot of churches have this symptom. But I
would like to think that this group could hold to a
higher standard.
Suzy
--- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well said! By the by there's none of this in what
> church?
>
>
> - Original Message
When I signed up for Truth talk I was under the
impression that we would be talking about the
Truth(God's Word). And we have done that a little. But
lately my inbox has been filled with fighting and
sarcastic remarks going back and forth to one another.
I am saddened by this. Instead of focussing
I personally think that we all should avoid Kabbalah
until we have a firm grasp on God's Word. And as most
of us can see we can't even agree on the basics. Let's
not put the cart before the horse.
Suzy
--- Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> jt: Right. It's some kind of ancient Jewish
> my
I really hope you mean Iz because Suz didn't write the
message you were responding to (unless you are
responding to a different post I wrote).
Suzy
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> myth (what's bein' disguised here, Suz?)
>
> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:33:54 -0600 "ShieldsFamily"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
And you said you didn't have a way with words.
Suzy
--- Jeff Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> David,
>
> >From the beginning of God’s creation God wanted
> nothing more than a personal relationship with man.
> But, man chose not to have a relationship with God.
> During the rise of civilizat
Study to show thyself approved. Don't give up hope
Jeff. The Lord gives wisdom to those who seek it.
Suzy
--- Jeff Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wish I had the way with words that you do!
> For everyone else, I have seen a verse thrown at
> Slade and he responds verbally just as quick
Too funny Jeff!!
Suzy
--- Jeff Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Terry,
> I don't know what translation Kay is using but try
> these:
> Lev 11:44 I am the LORD your God; consecrate
> yourselves and be holy, because
> I am holy. Do not make yourselves unclean by any
> creature that moves about
I think that sometimes it is those who do not speak so
much that are the one's with more knowledge. Judy has
given up on you (so to speak). I think maybe it's
just a matter of asking you the right questions. Or
even one question...Could you please explain your one
word response?
I hope that I ca
Roman 7 starts with the word "Or." So to me that means
that you need to back up and get some contextual
clues. I took the time to read Chp. 7 in three
translations(NIV, NASB, and Complete Jewish). And I
read the entire book of Romans. I couldn't stop
reading (only in one tranlation).
In chapter 6
I meant to include the heavenly temple. And Jesus is
the High Priest. This is what Hebrews 8:6 is talking
about a better way. Actually being in heaven with the
original temple and the Jesus the High Priest.
Suzy
--- Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> From: Susan P
t; I'd love to 'listen in' on more. Men (we) have
> 'vacated' and women (you) have had to occupy that
> 'vacated' space.
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: November 17, 2004 13:37
> Subject: [TruthTalk] Gender differences
>
>
>
>
Yeah, Judy We agree. I am exicted about this.
Love is genderless. I also believe that women should
not teach unless there is no man that is qualified to
do so. Deborah was made a judge because no man was
qualified to fill that position. It was supposed to be
a slap in the face for the men of
Please explain what it should be translated.
Suzy
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> myth (the translation is faulty)
>
> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:11:46 -0500 Judy Taylor
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> asserts:
> "These women are two covenants..
__
Do yo
Actually, Jesus is the author of the whole Bible. 2
Timothy 3:16- All scripture is God breathed... He just
used man to write it down for other people.
Suzy
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 11/16/2004 1:01:11 PM Pacific
> Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > Come to
Oops, I thought he was a young one. Come to find out
he is only a year younger than me. And may be in the
same position as I am in with young one's of his own.
Too funny!
Suzy
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 11/16/2004 12:27:15 PM Pacific
> Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] w
Thank you for this explanation It really helps in
understanding your post.
Suzy
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> the Ap. Paul sanctioned one covenant in this
> context, a reality for which
> DavidM has no apparent feeling, hence his use of the
> word 'are', below
>
> the concept the Ap Paul pr
I'm not sure who you are because I don't think you
have ever given your name. But, I would appreciate it
if you would expound on your idea that these comments
are a myth. A lot of times you write "myth." That does
not help the reader see how it is a "myth" or "concept
is not true." How is it a myth
If you read Isaiah 1 in total (which I did for content
purposes) God is very upset with the evil that His
people are practicing. Because of that evil, He does
not accept their sacrifices and their feasts. They
were not following the Lord in the way that he had
commanded.
You are right. We have bro
I am going through the same frustration with my little
boy.
Suzy
--- Hughes Jonathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> Thank you for the compliment. I wrote this piece
> this morning while the
> event was still fresh in my mind. A dream of mine
> is to be published.
>
> Now if I cou
My husband has a theory on the shadow of things to
come. He says that in order for there to be a shadow
there has to be a real object or person casting that
shadow. Jesus is the real person casting the shadow.
If we take away the shadow then we take away Jesus who
is casting that shadow.
Suzy
---
That is exactly what we are saying. They all fall
under the "big two." But you keep saying that we do
not have to follow these laws. These are just some of
the laws in Torah. We need to follow these, right?
Suzy
--- Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Slade Henson wrote:
>
> > Question:
Sukkot is also known as Feat of Tabernacles or Feast
of Booths.
Suzy
--- Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Slade Henson wrote:
>
> > Hmm...why then, Terry, does God repeatedly say it
> was for the
> > "foreigner" among them as well?
> >
> > You mention feasts, sacrifices, tithing, a
Oops. "Feat" was a typo. It should read Feast.
Suzy
--- Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Slade Henson wrote:
>
> > Hmm...why then, Terry, does God repeatedly say it
> was for the
> > "foreigner" among them as well?
> >
> > You mention feasts, sacrifices, tithing, and
> Sabbath. Does
I am sorry, Judy, but I find your defenses very
confusing. First you say there is a new covenant that
we follow which gets rid of the old (this is my way of
saying it). Now you are saying that technically there
isn't a new commandment. Which one is it?
There is ONE theme throughout the Bible. ONE
God did not return to the "old". He had a plan right
from the start. He knew man would fall. From the very
start he planned to give His Son. He still set up the
Law so that we would know how to love Him and love our
neighbor. Jesus came to make God's covenant with us
fuller (Matthew 5:17). He broug
That is correct. All of the laws either talk about
loving God or loving your neighbor. They teach us how
to both love God and love our neighbor.
Suzy
--- Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Susan Petersen wrote:
>
> >Jesus was asked by the Pharisees to r
I want to totally understand what you are saying here
Johnathan and Lance. I agree that Grace was there from
the beginning. That is why we consider the NT as the
renewed covenant. Because we recognize God as being
gracious from the start, knowing that we would fail on
our own. We attempt to show ou
We all have to remember how to speak in love. I try to
consider how the person may take my message before I
send it. I have often times had to rewrite parts
because of it. And with saying that sometimes no
matter how hard I try not to offend it still happens
at times.
Suzy
--- David Miller <[EMAI
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Slade Henson
> Too cool! I can do whatever I want and live however
> I choose 'cuz I'm
> covered by grace K.
>
> jt: The above would be the musings of a deceived
> soul. True grace is not
> a cover for sin.
> It is
Adhering to the Law of Moses to earn salvation is
legalism and bondage. There is nothing we can do to
earn our salvation. Once again I say that we follow
the Law out of love for Jesus. If you love Me you will
follow my commandments. And there is no difference
between God's commandments and Jesus' c
om. Since
> 1 Oct 2004, we've had
> 18 people post comments. Bill (Listed as Thomas)
> (2), Ben Smith (2), and
> Marlin Halverson (4), Dave Hansen (6), and Charles
> Locke (8) all stand out
> as those who post the least. I really wish they'd
> get more involved.
>
> -- slade
&
believe I
am doing.
We all have to make an account for what we did/ didn't
do, said/didn't say, and thought/ didn't think. In
what I have studied this is what I believe to be true.
Because of that this is how I have to live.
Suzy
--- Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
&
I don't want to join the experiment because it is a
waste of my time. I want to focus on what is
important.. the Word of God. Satan has used this
arguement as a distraction to what is important. Let's
focus on the Word of God instead of the squabbles that
are put in our way. That was all I was aski
re you state such
> things. That discussion
> was with Lance and John, not me.
>
> JBH
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Susan Petersen
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 10:50 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTE
e.
> Knowing that this has
> been going on for months may help you understand
> John's reaction to David
> questioning John's grasp of the gospel. It is like
> an iceberg; a raw edged
> tip is above the water but much more lurks beneath.
>
> Jonathan
>
>
, He will not spare you either.
Suzy
--- Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> From: Susan Petersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> If the Levitical Priesthood is no longer relevant
> than why do we need
> Jesus as our High Priest? And if we are
> no longer supposed t
If the Levitical Priesthood is no longer relevant than
why do we need Jesus as our High Priest? And if we are
no longer supposed to do the feasts why are we going
to be doing them in the Millenial Kingdom? Also, if we
consider ourselves adopted sons and daughters of
Christ why don't we have to foll
That would be an invalid experiment because you are
excluding David's explanation of what he said. It was
offensive to you after you read it. But after David
explained himself you rejected his explanation. Take
him at his word. Believe that he meant it as an honest
question so that he could better
God
is an unbeliever.
Suzy
--- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Everyone 'believes' something.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Susan Petersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: November 13, 2004 10:30
> Subj
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sorry Susan but, I can't go along with you as to the
> 'sainted' (to some)
> David Miller. You and the other DM devotees may
> continue to ascribe an
> intent that ain't present should you so wish.
> - Original Mes
It took me one e-mail to realize that David was one
who likes to challenge people to back up what they
believe. I believe that he is trying to have an honest
conversation with you. He just wants to see what page
you are on. Then if he disagrees he backs up his
beliefs with scripture. To say, "Absol
I do not catch your drift. And who are you refering to
as your honor?
Suzy
--- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A point of clarification, your honor: Everyone is a
> believer. I think you
> catch my drift.
> - Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Petersen
Hi Jeff! Yes I would agree.
Suzy
--- Jeff Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kinda sounds like Am Echad! Hi Suzy
> Jeff
> - Original Message -
> From: "Susan Petersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, No
I did not mean to put this response off for so long.
This weekend has been busy.
I guess when I was writing I was speaking about
humans. When it comes to the spirtual world, I do not
exactly know what happens for the evil spirits and
Satan.
Before anyone starts jumping on that comment let me
cla
My unbelieving friends challenge my faith a lot. They
like to talk about what I believe. It is challenging
to share my faith with them when they live by a
different standard. You have to think outside the box
in order to get their attention sometimes. I am
defending my faith with them a lot. That i
y. I tend to follow the leading
> of the Holy Spirit in
> reaching out; sometimes it's yes and sometimes its
> no. Izzy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Susan Petersen
> Sent: Friday, Novembe
t. Izzy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Susan Petersen
> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 6:19 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Who's Who of the Bible?
>
> I think that there ha
d for softening your heart. I'm rejoicing
with you.
As for getting burned, I try very hard to heal from
the wounds and not let it affect the way I relate with
the next person. And I am looking forward to eternity.
Suzy
--- Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Susan Petersen wrote:
I consider myself warned. Thanks for the welcome.
Suzy
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 11/11/2004 3:55:08 AM Pacific
> Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > Finally a group that I'll fit into. Hehehe. Thanks
> for
> > the welcome.
> >
> > Suzy
> >
> >
> > --- Te
I think that there has to be some sort of intimacy so
that the unbeliever does not get the impression that
the love you are showing is fake. But, I can
understand that there seems to be a limit to that
love. I have felt it too.
When I was younger (high school age) I used to think
that everyone was
Thank you!
Suzy
--- Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> DAVEH: Hi Suzy...Welcome to TT!!! I do hope
> your stay here is a
> pleasant one..... :-)
>
> Susan Petersen wrote:
>
> >Hello to everyone. My name is Suzy Petersen. I am a
> >friend
I hope you don't mind if I butt in...
Luke 5:30-32- The Pharisees ask Jesus why he eats with
the sinners. Jesus plainly tells them that those are
the people who need him the most. He was calling the
sinners to repentance.
Luke 6:27-38- This passage clearly states that we are
to love even though
Finally a group that I'll fit into. Hehehe. Thanks for
the welcome.
Suzy
--- Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello Suzy:
> Welcome to the most dysfunctional bunch you will
> ever converse with. If
> you stay with us long, you will find that mental
> health is vastly over
> rated.
The key phrase that was in my comment was "when we are
trying to follow the greatest commands." God asks us
to love no matter who the person is in the equation.
Yes, I do believe that God definately makes a dividing
line between the righteous and the unrighteous. He is
calling us to be a separate
Thanks Kay!
Suzy
--- Slade Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For Suzy's benefit...
>
> K.
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
> Of Slade Henson
> Sent: Tuesday, 09 November, 2004 11.32
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [TruthTal
Izzy,
I think that what Slade was trying to say with his
previous comment was in the Lord's eyes there is no
diffence between the neighbor, brother, or people.
When trying to follow the Greatest Commands we are to
love them regardless of whether they are a brother,
neighbor, people, or even an ene
Hello to everyone. My name is Suzy Petersen. I am a
friend of Kay and Slade's from Wisconsin. I thought
I'd introduce myself to the group.
My husband Erik and I hope to add our two cents in
every once in a while.
Hey Slade could you send me 1-10. I signed in after
they were sent out.
Thanks,
Suz
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