Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-10 Thread Kevin Deegan
nglory.org Sent: March 10, 2006 06:37 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journeyLance you are either ingenious or you lie consciously. How is it youforever lament the fact that some on the list who you label "fundamentalists" cut off conversation before it begins - Yet

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-10 Thread Kevin Deegan
ory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey Hmm! Are you sure your recall does not concern someone else Lance?I don't remember commenting on this and I certainly do not find it humorous.Jesus did not come to put a bandaid on the "ol

[TruthTalk] Fw: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood including you, BT and, DM

2006-03-10 Thread Lance Muir
FYI: Izzy, Judy, Kevin Dean. THANKS TO THE BISHOP FOR THIS FINE WORK! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lance Muir Sent: March 10, 2006 11:52 Subject: Re: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood including you, BT and, DM Well, just a few weeks

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood including you, BT and, DM

2006-03-10 Thread Kevin Deegan
I am sure this is gonna help me be a better christian TODAY! Man this is where the rubber meets the road. PTL!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI: Izzy, Judy, Kevin Dean. THANKS TO THE BISHOP FOR THIS FINE WORK!- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lance Muir

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood including you, BT and, DM

2006-03-10 Thread ShieldsFamily
, 2006 11:02 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood including you, BT and, DM FYI: Izzy, Judy, Kevin Dean. THANKS TO THE BISHOP FOR THIS FINE WORK! - Original Message - From

[TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: John D Wilson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 07, 2006 18:56 Subject: Open door on the journey I am now in Singapore after a brief stop over in South Africa with Jonathan and Tracey. My journey out has been interesting: First of all a one and a

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread Judy Taylor
A couple of questionsLance; 1. Is John Wilson preterist like you and is "preterism" his gospel? 2. What is "personhood" and where would one get the idea that Jesus had come to redeem it? John wrote: She said she never felt the church was interested in who she was as a person. I told her

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread Lance Muir
: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 09, 2006 06:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey A couple of questionsLance; 1. Is John Wilson preterist like you and is "preterism" his gospel?

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread Judy Taylor
nt: March 09, 2006 06:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey A couple of questionsLance; 1. Is John Wilson preterist like you and is "preterism" his gospel? 2. What is "personhood" and where would one get the idea that Jesus had co

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread Lance Muir
Sent: March 09, 2006 07:18 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey Hmm! Are you sure your recall does not concern someone else Lance? I don't remember commenting on this and I certainly do not find it humorous. Jesus did not come to put a bandaid on the "ol

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread Judy Taylor
So a "new creation" is not a "new creation" to you, Bill, David, and John and the old flesh personhood does not have to be "reckoned dead" - Noone must die daily. Is this what you are saying? Along with the fact that on this issue I have been "unteachable?" On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 07:26:29

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread Lance Muir
No! - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 09, 2006 07:40 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey So a "new creation" is not a "new creation&q

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread Kevin Deegan
It is in a book Not THE BOOKJudy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of questionsLance; 1. Is John Wilson preterist like you and is "preterism" his gospel? 2. What is "personhood" and where would one get the idea that Jesus had come to redeem it?John wrote: She said she

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread Lance Muir
See my post to Dean re:clarity! - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 09, 2006 08:21 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey It is in a book Not THE BOOKJudy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread Kevin Deegan
the observations concerning it ('personhood') both ridiculous and humorous.- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 09, 2006 06:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journeyA couple

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread Kevin Deegan
r To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 09, 2006 06:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journeyA couple of questionsLance; 1. Is John Wilson preterist like you and is "preterism" his gospel? 2. What is "personhood" an

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread Lance Muir
I'm glad we amuse one another. I find you and Dean embarrassingly funny! - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 09, 2006 08:22 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey Well as far as Theology

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread Kevin Deegan
ent: March 09, 2006 08:22 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journeyWell as far as Theology it is pretty funny Actually it is hilariousLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. I've no idea as we've never discussed it over the years we've come to know one another. 2. '

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread Lance Muir
YOU still AMUSE ME so, I'll hang around if only for laughs. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 09, 2006 08:38 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey Do you belong to a PERSONALITY CULT? Who

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread Kevin Deegan
PT 101Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YOU still AMUSE ME so, I'll hang around if only for laughs.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 09, 2006 08:38 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journeyDo you belong

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
the lost from one prison into another. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 6:19 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey Hmm

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
I dont recall this either.  Id like to hear Lances take on it. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 6:26 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey No Judy

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread Lance Muir
It's called the archives. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 09, 2006 08:57 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey I don’t recall this either. I’d like to hear Lance’s take on it. iz

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
Sorry to talk over your head, Lance.  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 8:00 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey Huh? - Original Message

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
Its called ducking the question when you dont have the answer. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 8:00 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey It's

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread Lance Muir
] Fw: Open door on the journey Sorry to talk over your head, Lance. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 8:00 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread Lance Muir
It isn't when the question itself is in no way genuine. Believe me when I tell you that the archives contain the whole conversation. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 09, 2006 09:22 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey It isn't when the question itself is in no way genuine. Believe me when I tell you that the archives contain the whole conversation. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 09, 2006 09:51 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey Who are you to judge whether I am “genuine” when I say I’m not sure what your friend meant when she told a woman that Christ would redeem her “personhood

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
Whatever. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:00 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey Perhaps you will read it again. She (John) is a he. There's

[TruthTalk] Fw: Prayer Update: Shankar

2006-03-09 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: John D Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 09, 2006 10:54 Subject: Prayer Update: Shankar Greetings from Singapore. Today I met with Shankar--the Taoist I met in Singapore a year ago. His mother came from Japan and his father from

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread Kevin Deegan
--From:ShieldsFamilyTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 09, 2006 08:57 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey I don’t recall thiseither. I’d like to hear Lance’s take on it.iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread Lance Muir
Well, well! It's good to see that someone actually does remember THAT CONVERSATION, even if unfavourably! - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 09, 2006 12:05 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread Kevin Deegan
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journeyIt's called the archives.- Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 09, 2006 08:57 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey I dont recall

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread Kevin Deegan
@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journeyHuh?- Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 09, 2006 08:56 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey I can’t help, also

[TruthTalk] Fw: interp

2006-03-05 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: March 04, 2006 17:44 Subject: interp The friend giving us the car is the one who gave Jan Dom Crossan's biography of Jesus. We went out to get the car this afternoon and ended up in a discussion about literalism and

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: interp

2006-03-05 Thread Dean Moore
cd: Kevin are you just going to stand ther while Debbie insults you fundies:-) - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/5/2006 6:53:09 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: interp - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: interp

2006-03-05 Thread Kevin Deegan
YESDean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:cd: Kevin are you just going to stand ther while Debbie insults you fundies:-) - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/5/2006 6:53:09 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: interp

[TruthTalk] Fw: PALM Report Vol 5 Issue 2

2006-02-28 Thread Lance Muir
Title: PALM Report Vol 4 Issue 9 - Original Message - From: Bruce Fligg PALM Ministries To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 28, 2006 00:57 Subject: PALM Report Vol 5 Issue 2 PALM Report Vol. 5 Issue 2 Lifting up Mississauga in Prayer John 17:21 May they be brought to complete

[TruthTalk] Fw: The Fundraiser

2006-02-28 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: David Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: D Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 27, 2006 23:13 Subject: The Fundraiser Hi All - A quick update regarding the CFCF fundraiser...we are confirmed as of this past Friday for a show on Thursday May the 18th of 2006 at

[TruthTalk] Fw: Nova Segment

2006-02-26 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Randy Benson To: Lance Muir Sent: February 25, 2006 20:37 Subject: Nova Segment Hello Lance, I hope you will find this 12 minutes of video as profound as I did. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sciencenow/3214/03.html And let us take a moment of silence

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentance

2006-02-24 Thread David Miller
RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentanceUnfortunately, Debbie is reading me too well these days. I gave her another reason for why I said what I did, but she responds here with the only possible point I could see... Victor said I was wrong. Wrong about what? My characterization

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentance

2006-02-23 Thread David Miller
: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Fw: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentance - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Lance Muir' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 22, 2006 09:36

[TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentance

2006-02-22 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: February 21, 2006 13:57 Subject: RE: Fw: Continuing repentance I understand what he is saying about the one-time turn, but I don't think this is what Victor/Luther meant. They mean something more like that funny

[TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentance

2006-02-22 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: February 21, 2006 14:23 Subject: FW: Fw: Continuing repentance In other words, David does not seem to have taken the point about penance and our modern psychological equivalent. And probably both views of repentance

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: repentance sin and everything

2006-02-22 Thread Lance Muir
- From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 21, 2006 14:26 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: repentance sin and everything This coming from someone who reasons with"First" and "Two" instead of "First" and "Second"

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentance

2006-02-22 Thread David Miller
interpretation of Luther rather than toward Luther himself. David Miller. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:54 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentance - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentance

2006-02-22 Thread Lance Muir
IMO, 'opting for' is good. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 22, 2006 08:09 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentance We are indeed dealing with a difference in how terms are defined. More than

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: repentance sin and everything

2006-02-22 Thread David Miller
how. Explain. Let's discuss this. David Miller - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: repentance sin and everything I know Victor personally and well, David. In this post you simply

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: repentance sin and everything

2006-02-22 Thread Lance Muir
. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 22, 2006 09:00 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: repentance sin and everything I am not pushing MY truth, Lance. I believe that we are constantly changing into the image of Christ. You seem

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: repentance sin and everything

2006-02-22 Thread David Miller
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: repentance sin and everything No SHOUTING!! from my end, David. I see you as someone who, for whatever reason, needs to be right about things. I also see you as someone not much open to correction. Both of these are denied

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: repentance sin and everything

2006-02-22 Thread Lance Muir
@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 22, 2006 09:21 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: repentance sin and everything No doubt, Lance, I do feel a need to be right. I hunger and thirst after truth like I hunger and thirst after righteousness. However, I do not insist that I am right all the time, and I always

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentance

2006-02-22 Thread Judy Taylor
Penance has nothing to do with anything Lance, nor does quote "our modern psychological equivalent" They are both a moot point because they aredifferent from repentance. Your friend is too far out there. On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:54:30 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentance

2006-02-22 Thread Lance Muir
: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentance Penance has nothing to do with anything Lance, nor does quote "our modern psychological equivalent" They are both a moot point because they aredifferent from repentance. Your friend is too far out there. On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:5

Fw: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentance

2006-02-22 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Lance Muir' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 22, 2006 09:36 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentance What David says about Luther's theses interests me from a discourse point of view. Difficult

[TruthTalk] Fw: repentance sin and everything

2006-02-22 Thread Judy Taylor
ail.innglory.orgSent: February 22, 2006 09:00Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: repentance sin and everything I am not pushing MY truth, Lance. I believe that we are constantly changing into the image of Christ. You seem to see me and everybody else as static. I do not. I am constantly changing and modif

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: repentance sin and everything

2006-02-22 Thread Lance Muir
: February 22, 2006 09:53 Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: repentance sin and everything This appears to be a 'one way street' at this point Tell me Lance - are you open to correction? By whom will you be shown? Most definitely not by David Miller - this is quite obvious. From

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: repentance sin and everything

2006-02-22 Thread ttxpress
but it'llproduce some very holy smoke--eh? On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:06:21 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..Some of your own theology is thoroughly unbiblical and, will not stand in 'that day'. Fear not as fire will burn it away. ||

[TruthTalk] Fw: repentance sin and everything

2006-02-21 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: February 20, 2006 22:43 Subject: repentance sin and everything I came across this section on the first of Luther's 95 theses and thought of the sinless perfection discussion: We commit the same error nowadays,

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: repentance sin and everything

2006-02-21 Thread Judy Taylor
I have to leave the house so can't give this a thorough going over but what strikes me off the top is the quote below along with reference to CSL and TFT; So whatiscorporate about personal responsibility even though a moral ppl will in turn make a moral nation? The apostle Peter addresses

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: repentance sin and everything

2006-02-21 Thread David Miller
f doubt and unbelief. David Miller. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 6:25 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: repentance sin and everything - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawcza

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: repentance sin and everything

2006-02-21 Thread David Miller
Lance quotes Debbie: How can we deny that we share in this corporate responsibility, and does that not also count as sin? She makes a good point here. I think of Daniel 9 when I read this. Daniel's prayer shows him confessing his sins and the sins of his people (Dan. 9:20). Moses too found

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: repentance sin and everything

2006-02-21 Thread David Miller
Lance quoted Debbie: There is no point saying we are only a little bit sinful, even if we are David and sin only every third or fourth day. I agree that there is no point in saying we are only a little bit sinful. Who is this David she is talking about? Did she really mean to say every

Fw: [TruthTalk] Fw: repentance sin and everything

2006-02-21 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Victor Shepherd To: Lance Muir Sent: February 21, 2006 09:44 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: repentance sin and everything First, who is David Miller? His theological understanding is wholly wide of the mark. Two, Debbie is a surer guide. Victor

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: repentance sin and everything

2006-02-21 Thread David Miller
value of the kind of repentance described in James 4. The Anabaptists didn't have it all wrong and Luther was wrong to think them to be fanatics. David Miller - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:29

[TruthTalk] fw. prayer request

2006-02-15 Thread knpraise
A Son-In-Law's wishes sent to you all. I hope we can pray this prayer regardless. jd According to the weather reports it is 122 degrees in Iraq right now - and the low will be 111! Our troops need our prayers for strength, endurance and safety. If it be God's will, give these men and

[TruthTalk] Fw: Baxter Kruger in Adelaide

2006-02-12 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: ron gail To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: February 11, 2006 23:35 Subject: Baxter Kruger in Adelaide Dear All, Attached is a flyer for the event with Baxter Kruger on John's gospel. March 14 15 16th at Adelaide West Uniting Church. Organisation

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-09 Thread Judith H Taylor
What makes the difference JD? Your opinion? Worldly systems? Great works? "Surely men of low degree are a vapor - men of high degree are a lie; if they are weighed on the scales they are altogether lighter than vapor" (Ps 62:9) "So be not highminded but fear; for if God did not spare the

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-09 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/8/2006 11:23:08 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation Here is a clearer verse DavH: 1Pe 1:17 DAVEH: If that's your best Biblical answer to my question Dean, I suspect you did

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-09 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/9/2006 12:00:04 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation I know that DH can more than hold his own with Dean, but allow me. I Pet 1:17 addresses the impartiality of God

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-09 Thread knpraise
To argue that God's grace applies to all is not the same thing as saying that all "were born equal." Perhaps the difference betweenthe two of you, on this point, is due to an equality from birth !! Dean cannot give you a scripture for obvious reasons. jd -- Original message

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-09 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/9/2006 12:37:58 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation DAVEH: Thank you for interjecting that, John. I agree with your understanding of vs 17. I'm not trying to battle Dean over

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-09 Thread knpraise
No. And I thought you said that all men were BORN equal. And I Pet 1:17 is still talking about the impartiality of God not the equality of man. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/9/2006 12:37:58 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-08 Thread Dave Hansen
Here is a clearer verse DavH: 1Pe 1:17 DAVEH: If that's your best Biblical answer to my question Dean, I suspect you did not understand the question.or, perhaps the Bible does not have a pertinent passage that supports your theory. Dean Moore wrote: all men are born

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-08 Thread Dave Hansen
Yes Christ makes them that way DAVEH: Makes them that way at birth? It seems to me that vs 16 is not referring to a newborn child, as they seem not to have the cognizance to believe. Dean Moore wrote: all men are born equal. DAVEH: Is that just your personal

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-08 Thread knpraise
I know that DH can more than hold his own with Dean, but allow me. I Pet 1:17 addresses the impartiality of God, not the equality of man. jd -- Original message -- From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is a clearer verse DavH: 1Pe 1:17DAVEH: If that's your best

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-08 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Thank you for interjecting that, John. I agree with your understanding of vs 17. I'm not trying to battle Dean over this, but rather am interested in why he believes such. I've heard the born equal theory all my life, and can't quite figure out why people attribute it to God. I was

[TruthTalk] Fw: what they are doing

2006-02-07 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: February 07, 2006 10:25 Subject: what they are doing ironically, is creating God in Adam's image. D --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database:

[TruthTalk] Fw: So

2006-02-07 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: February 07, 2006 10:27 Subject: So does God have a penis? After all, Adam did. D P.S. You can tell I am getting steamed! --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 /

[TruthTalk] Fw: I am incredulous

2006-02-07 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: February 07, 2006 10:20 Subject: I am incredulous This male God thing got me curious, so I went to the archives and looked at this morning's messages on the topic. I could not believe my eyes.They've got to be

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2006-02-07 Thread knpraise
-- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: February 07, 2006 10:25 Subject: what they are doing ironically, is creating God in Adam's image. D --No virus found in this

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: So

2006-02-07 Thread Judith H Taylor
So here we go round the mulberry bush Back to the genitalia - some things never change. You ppl are earthly minded and so are your friends... Steamed or unsteamed... On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:14:03 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From:

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2006-02-07 Thread Dean Moore
@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/7/2006 12:04:50 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: So So here we go round the mulberry bush Back to the genitalia - some things never change. You ppl are earthly minded and so are your friends... Steamed or unsteamed... On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:14:03 -0500 "Lance Muir&qu

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-06 Thread David Miller
growth that they think they have is only an illusion. True growth requires walking in holiness. David Miller. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting

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2006-02-06 Thread Lance Muir
this as did a matter long ago involving JT. (asking for public (TT) repentanceand all). - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 06, 2006 07:33 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation Lance, Dean's prayer

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2006-02-06 Thread Dean Moore
cd; Hear -Hear , and well said David. - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/6/2006 7:33:45 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation Lance, Dean's prayer for more patience is not any point for your perspective. Asking

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2006-02-06 Thread knpraise
ler. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation I'm fully aware that a case can made for that which you, DM, Iz and, Judy, in differing fashions, claim to have ac

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-05 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/4/2006 5:53:25 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation John wrote: But don't you see that if we regard gluttony and homosexuality the same, we cannot order anyone out

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2006-02-04 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/3/2006 12:02:21 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation S, the moment of "conversion" presents one with the full ability to be sinless? Please t

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2006-02-04 Thread Lance Muir
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/3/2006 12:02:21 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation S

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2006-02-04 Thread knpraise
are born equal.Naive? I wish I had remained so on some things sir. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/3/2006 9:01:12 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation Your naivety isnoted. - Original

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2006-02-04 Thread knpraise
From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/3/2006 12:02:21 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation S, the moment of "conversion" presents one with the full ability to be sinless? Please tell me you are kidding!! cd: Christ must have t

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-04 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/4/2006 7:52:49 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation Another thing . this argument "God will not ask of us what we cannot do" is somethin

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2006-02-04 Thread Lance Muir
- From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 04, 2006 08:54 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/4

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2006-02-04 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/4/2006 9:06:57 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation Respectfully and, may it please the court...maturation this side of ...eschatological consummation...amen! Sinlessness this side

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-04 Thread Lance Muir
concerning 'patience' makes my point for me. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 04, 2006 09:30 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation - Original Message - From:

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2006-02-04 Thread knpraise
jd - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/4/2006 7:52:49 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation Another thing . this argument "God will not ask of us what we cannot do" is somethin

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-04 Thread knpraise
me. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 04, 2006 09:30 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/4/2006 9:06:57 AM Subject: Re: [TruthT

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2006-02-04 Thread Lance Muir
rse) along with the built-in inference that to see the matter otherwise is to show yourself a dunderhead. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 04, 2006 10:25 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: I

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-04 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/4/2006 10:08:17 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation I'm fully aware that a case can made for that which you, DM, Iz and, Judy, in differing fashions, claim to have achieved in your

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