Which conveniently aligns the words of Jesus in
Matt 5:48 with doctrines that teach that noone can be holy or perfect even in
Christ until the last trump when they will be miraculously changed in the
twinkling of an eye (or something like that).
Judy, let's just say for the sake of argument
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 22:40:54 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
To begin with the author is not a
man Bill
My apologies to men.
Who is the master
of sarcasim???
Yet you and your
scholarly friends (most especially Lance) make the
claim that an ordina
To begin with the author is not a
man Bill
My apologies to men.
Yet you and your
scholarly friends (most especially Lance) make the
claim that an ordinary person (a plain old vanilla Christian
ignorant of Greek) can not know God's Word for one reason or another -
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:39:27 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
jt: Why do you always ignore the main
point JD which is being under the Law of
Christ. You are very vocal
about the Mosaic Law but seem always to avoid the latter. I guess
you must be "antinomian" after
myth (the law of
Christ is opposed to the law of Moses)
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 02:19:04 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
.. the main point.. is being under the Law of
Christ. [protest]
the Mosaic Law but..avoid the
[LofC]..
Judy writes > I post the
following as "Selected" with the hope that the message will be taken
seriously rather than the opportunity to tear down the
messenger:
Hi all,
If you are interested in reading the rest of this
man's words against using men's words to "correct" the word of God,
-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 02:19:04 -0500Subject: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
PS: Why do you always ignore the main point JD which is being under the Law of Christ. You are very vocal
about the
-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 06:43:53 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
The question of the day is...
Why would God present an impossibilit
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And you will never be as perfect as the Heavenly Father, you will not pluck out your eye or tell others to do so, ditto for the cutting off of the hand. The S
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ
and the Law
John writes: New Testament scripture is not about
law. It can't be.
Why not? Sure it can be, in fact the Spirit of the Law is
more stringent than the Mosaic Law itself and Paul says of himself
"Not being without the law to God
A few additional
comments -Original
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005
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Regarding the recent discussion abo
finally
And I will do just that.
JD -Original Message-From: Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:12:58 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
John writes > Christ . . . speaks of perfection as the Heavenly
ye therefore perfect." Check
it out and see if you agree.
Bill
By the way, I'm back -- and about 600 messages behind. I'll try
to get caught up, but probably won't be doing much in the way of posting, as I
am perpetually swamped with papers to grade.
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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AM
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Law
And you will never be as perfect as the Heavenly Father, you will not
pluck out your eye or tell others to do so, ditto for the cutting
off of the hand. Th
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From: Dave
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 11/13/2005 5:37:25 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
DAVEH: Just me! :-)
cd: Sorry to disapoint you DaveH but you are in your own way not mine.ShieldsFamily wrote:
Dean
DAVEH: Just me! :-)
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Dean, have
you actually had any mountains
that were in your way? iz
--
~~~
Dave Hansen
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~~~
If you wish to receive
things I find interesting,
st and the Law
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Sent: 11/12/2005 11:30:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
DEan - what are doing in your comments below? Have you forgotten the point I was trying to make. I suggest to you that, i
/2005 10:06:04 PM
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do do do do -- do do do do -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:26:53 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
you ar
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From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 11/12/2005 11:30:43 PM
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DEan - what are doing in your comments below? Have you forgotten the point I was trying to make. I suggest to you that, in deed, you
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From: ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 11/13/2005 7:26:16 AM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
Dean, have you actually had any mountains that were in your way? iz
cd: No but it would make a better view if removed:-) In front
Dean, have you actually had any mountains
that were in your way? iz
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Moore
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005
2:57 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ
and the Law
cd: Added
Your LDS Repentance is NG like your last New years resolution:
Have you STOPPED SINNING?
Page 67 of the LDS Church manual Gospel Fundamentals insists, "Our Father in heaven does not sin, and He does not allow people who sin to live with Him. To live with Him, we must repent of our sins. To repent
Perhaps it is a problem with "KEEP COMMANDMENTS"?
KEEP: not to lose or part with, to fulfill; to perform; as, to keep one's word,promise or covenant.
D&C 25:15 Keep my commandments continually, and a crown of righteousness thou shalt receive. And except thou do this, where I am you cannot come.
By deeds I meant your walk should match your deeds Not your Talk.
YOU MUST FORSAKE - ABANDON SIN
"The forsaking of sin must be a permanent one. True repentance does not permit making the same mistake again." (Tract, Repentance Brings Forgiveness).
FORSAKE: to renounce or turn away from entirely
DAVEH: Noit wasn't my intention to leave you out of it, G. ;-)
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is
this an adults-only conversation?
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:41:57 -0800 Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
What do your
deeds show?
DAVEH: I don't want them to s
is this an
adults-only conversation?
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:41:57 -0800 Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
What do your deeds
show?
DAVEH:
I don't want them to show anything, Kevin.
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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DAVEH:
Good answer, Bishop. I rather like it. Though it is an erroneous
argument, as walking on water, moving mountains, etc.are not
commandments, but effect
What do your deeds
show?
DAVEH: I don't want them to show anything, Kevin. I consider doing
such to be somewhat like the Lord's advice in Mt 6:1..So, I'll
leave it for you to make such claims, and if you wish to think less of
me for my reluctance to proclaim such deeds, that's your pr
a command statement and a good piece of advice or cultural observation/solution?
Jd -Original Message-From: Dean Moore moore@earthlink.net>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:57:28 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
cd: Added below.
Really. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:17:03 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
too bad DaveH has no similar feel for these critiques
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do do do do -- do do do do -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:26:53 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
you are starting to sound like Rod Serling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
reaking me out
!!!
JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent:
Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:47:56 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and
the Law
Too bad DH is gonna earn it himself &
Jesus![EM
:-) A lot of truth in jokes bro.
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From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 11/12/2005 6:57:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
Now you are just trying to make me mad !!
-Original Message-From: Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
secret post !!!
JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:01:21 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
Like I said a long time ago, you really have not spent any energy understandi
- who said "peace is the time when both sides stop to reload ?? " Maybe thats it !!
JD
-Original Message-From: Dean Moore moore@earthlink.net>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:45:41 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
- Original
Please refer to secret post !!!
JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:01:21 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
Like I said a long time ago, you really have not spent any
ot;peace is the time when both sides stop to reload ?? " Maybe thats it !!
JD
-Original Message-From: Dean Moore moore@earthlink.net>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:45:41 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
- Original Message --
t: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:45:41 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
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From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 11/12/2005 6:22:12 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
I am really proud of you.
cd: Man -I have been here too
Now you are just trying to make me mad !!
-Original Message-From: Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:47:40 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
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From:
To: Tru
- Original Message -
From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 11/12/2005 6:36:08 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
YOU THINK YOU GOT THREE BLOCKS FROM THE FUNNY FARM -- DON'T YOU Let me tell you this, I AM NOT ONE BIT MORE NUTS THAT I WA
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 11/12/2005 6:22:12 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
I am really proud of you.
cd: Man -I have been here too long.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Something is seriously wrong, here
eason.
jd -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:22:09 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
I am really proud of you.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Something is seriously wrong, here, Deegan.
PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:47:56 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
Too bad DH is gonna earn it himself & Jesus![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes and amen !! Imputed righteousness YES !! Deserved (read: earned) righteo
2 Nov 2005 14:47:56 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
Too bad DH is gonna earn it himself & Jesus![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes and amen !! Imputed righteousness YES !! Deserved (read: earned) righteousness NO !!
JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deeg
So since you DO NOT keep them does that mean you do not really love, only in word?
When is your walk gonna start matching your talk?
Talk is cheap, does not cost you a thing.
1 JN 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
What do your deeds
ov 2005 07:32:02 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the
cd: Added below.
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From: Dean Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 11/12/2005 3:51:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
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- Original Message -
From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
So he was just talking to hear his head rattle -- or maybe he was just kidding around, or maybe he was being just a tad bit arrogant since he
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cd: I walk on water every time it rains. And if God wanted his mountains moved he wouldn't have put them there in the first place:-)
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From: Dave
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 11/12/2005 2:
Bishop -Original Message-From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:42:26 -0800Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
DAVEH: Good answer, Bishop. I rather like it. Though it is an erroneous argument, as walking on water, moving mou
cd: I walk on water every time it rains. And if God wanted his mountains moved he wouldn't have put them there in the first place:-)
- Original Message -
From: Dave
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 11/12/2005 2:42:35 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
al Message-
From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:33:46 -0800
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
DAVEH: If that is not possible, then
why the commandment to do so? Mt 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Fa
ism as the means to salvation.
JD -Original Message-From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:33:46 -0800Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
DAVEH: If that is not possible, then why the commandment to do so? Mt 5:48...
We aren't always able to keep even those two.
DAVEH: Perhaps you have overlooked the Lord's comment in Jn 14:1..
If you ye love me, keep my commandments.
...which to me indicates that loving God implies becoming sinless.
No Terry, I don't think you overlooked it, but rather I su
Yes and amen !! Imputed righteousness YES !! Deserved (read: earned) righteousness NO !!
JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 07:32:02 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
E
il.com>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 07:19:35 -0800Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law >Date: Sat,
So, I do not believe that it is a commandment that we be sinless,
DAVEH: Really!?!?!?! I realize I took your comment slightly
out of context, but did you really mean to suggest that the Lord did
not command us to be sinless? Excepting DavidM, I wonder if other
TTers would agree with you?
NO PROBLEM! PTL!
Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law>Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:23:22 -0500>>Perry, the issue of &quo
From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
DAVEH: It seems to me that in whatever way God is perfect, or
complete.that is what we have the potential to become, and have been
commanded to do so. Do you agree, Perry?
I do not believe that the KJV translators intended to use the word "perfect"
wi
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:23:22 -0500
Perry, the issue of "sinless" perfection or sinless maturity is not
resolved with Strong's definiti
Mormon salvation - Mission Impossible!
"
to receive the Lord would mean loving him and obeying all his commandments: to receive the Father would mean to leave nothing undone toward arriving at personal perfection; and all this means exaltation and eternal life
If we measure up fully we are guar
ows us to think something other than "sinless" or "without flaw?" If so , what and why? If not, ditto (?)
JD -Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke <cpl2602@hotmail.com>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 23:13:20 -0800Subject: Re
This progress toward eternal life is a matter of achieving perfection. Living all the commandments guarantees total forgiveness of sins and assures one of exaltation through that perfection which comes by complying with the formula the Lord gave us. In his Sermon on the Mount he made the command t
Good mornin', Dave. You might want to consider that the Jews were
given a whole sack full of commands, and not one Jew with the exception
of Jesus was ever able to keep them. We Gentile Christians were given
two commands. We aren't always able to keep even those two. Who has
ever loved their
So that LDS can talk the talk but not walk the walk!
Are you progressing?
Are you a 'god' yet?
You commit the same sins this year you did last year & the years before that.
LDS repentance is just a sham
It is NO better than last years New Years Resolution.
It makes NO Difference!Dave <[EMAIL PR
DAVEH: It seems to me that in whatever way God is perfect, or
complete.that is what we have the potential to become, and have
been commanded to do so. Do you agree, Perry?
5046
teleioV
teleios
tel'-i-os
from teloV - telos 5056; complete (in various applications of labor,
growth, men
Dave,
I understand that in 1611 "perfect" meant what "complete" means today.
So, what if you re-read that verse in today's language?
If you have a Strong's dictionary, read the definition for "perfect" (greek
5046). After reading it, do you still think this is a commandment to be
"perfect" a
DAVEH: If that is not possible, then why the commandment to do so?
Mt 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is
perfect.
.Doesn't it seem odd to have a commandment that is not
obtainable?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And you will never be
!!! You must love ME !
Jd -Original Message-From: Terry Clifton <wabbits1234@earthlink.net>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:10:17 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
Jesus does not talk just to make noise, John. Those who love Him hang
, then I plead guilty to being a
legalist.
Terry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A few additional comments
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A few additional comments -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:04:45 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
Regarding the recent discussion about divorce and remarriage:
My advice to couples finding
Who ?? -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:20:30 -0600Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
If you want to understand the "sermon on the mount" you should read Dallas Willa
: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ
and the Law
Regarding the recent discussion about divorce and remarriage:
My advice to couples finding themselves in impossible or
difficult situations includes admonitions to try to work things
out. I do not view the Sermon on the Mount as a
Regarding the recent discussion about divorce and remarriage:
My advice to couples finding themselves in impossible or difficult situations includes admonitions to try to work things out. I do not view the Sermon on the Mount as a legal document. My God is not a legalist.
"You have hea
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