Yes but how much does it cost to license Oracle and Access for a Live
environment?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Phil Walker
Sent: Thu 17/02/2005 01:17
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe
Hi,
Microsoft and Oracle both GIVE away,
To license Oracle for our production hardware would cost GBP250,000 or FIVE
times what Universe costs us. And thats just for a database, I'd have to get
more licenses to actually develop an equivalent system.
I may have to pay for dev/test licenses on Universe whereas on Oracle I don't
but it
Hi,
I get the error message 'Unable to get process lock semaphore' in a complicated
application for which I have no source code.
1) What could be the cause of my problem? The only setup parameter I see linked
to process semaphores is PSEMNUM which is set to 64. Can I increase this? What
unix
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Hi,
Microsoft and Oracle both GIVE away, yes I said give away versions of their
database products, and they both interact easily with modern gui/web based
development environments, and you can search HUGE knowledge bases of
information about how to do something.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adrian Matthews
Sent: 17 February 2005 10:26
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe
Yes but how much does it cost to license Oracle and Access for a Live
environment?
Adrian,
Fair
Hi Rudy,
this is a real mystery then.
Donning deer stalker hat and smoking pipe
We had a problem once with the number of open files in the rotating file
pool getting confused. As you probably know, you can open many more files
in a Universe program then the os allows. Universe will only keep
In addition to my message below, when I enter the UV command LIST.LOCKD I get
the following:
LIST.LOCKS
Unable to get process lock semaphore.
[EACCES] Permission denied
Unable to get process lock semaphore.
[EACCES] Permission denied
[192.168.1.1: remote disconnect]
Marco Manyevere [EMAIL
Hi Marco,
analyze.shm -s at the os level will give you a list of active semaphores.
That should show you which semaphore is set. The use the UNLOCK with the
SEMAPHORE key word to release it. Do HELP UNLOCK to get more details...
hth
Marco Manyevere [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 17 Feb 2005 10:56
Phil:
Although this is a U2 specific list, the same pricing problem exists with
ALL mvDbms products. In addition knowledge seems to be locked up and there
are so many proprietary solutions to simple problems.
Developers often have to pull teeth to solve some basic problems. Every
business
Adrian:
I recently saw a Dell add where they partner with Oracle and one can
purchase an Oracle license for about $150/license. Don't know how that
works out in a web environment or a device licensing scenario but that's
not anywhere near as expensive as it used to be.
Also, Microsoft SQL
I don't get your point ?
Who cares about Users opinions on PE, they should already have a fully licensed
installation. I am just a poor lowly developer.
Also - don't forget to consider that as developer costs rise, so do the costs
of the products/services that they pass on to their customers.
I'm attempting to convert a system using a uvbackup tape from hpux to windows.
I've noticed that many cataloged items now have a name that ends in the %
character wheras on the production system they end in a ? character.
Is there something I'm missing here as far as a conversion command or
Hi,
I had pretty much done everything that you have already suggested prior
to posting here. My next move is to look at MFILES, our's is set to
200.
Providing your MFILES number is less than the os per process limit of
open files
Does anyone know how to check the os per process limit of open
Ease of development? Very little support required? I have just started
to use UD, and development is horrific, it take 10 times longer to do
things that can be accomplished by a single line query in an RDBMS'. Our
system requires constant attention, more attention than even MS Sql
server on a bad
I'm attempting to convert a system using a uvbackup tape from hpux to
windows. I've noticed that many cataloged items now have a name that ends
in the % character wheras on the production system they end in a ?
character.
Is there something I'm missing here as far as a conversion command or
You cannot use ? in a filename on Windoze (Same as *) that you may have used
on Unix.
I know my FTP client switches any * in filenames (record id in a directory
file) to @ when I ftp from UNIX to Windows.
Thanks,
--
Donald Verhagen
Application Development Manager
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Hey John,
I have programmed in COBOL, Fortran 4, TAC Business basic, Assembly on the
IBM 370, Assembly on the 8086x, native Pick, MS QuickBasic, (did some
goofing around with VB), SQL, HTML, Java and most extensively with Unidata.
It is by far superior in dev time ONCE YOU KNOW what you're doing.
I'm not sure what docs you are referring to , but
ALL of the documentation for UD and UV is available either online or via pdf
download
on IBMs website.
I agree that the knowledgebase should be open, but it doesn't hold
tech docs, it only holds support call information and it's generally not
as
According to the UV docs , HS.SCRUB with no arguments other than a filename
will do nothing but generate a data error report.
However it seems that HS.SCRUB does some type of internal record or file
locking that completely messes up writes to the specified file.
We have run into the situation
But in that environment (as an embedded database) U2 is already far bigger
than Oracle.
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Sent: Thu 17/02/2005 11:35
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Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe
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From:
For us we would have to use the Oracle enterprise licenses due to the number
of cpu's we use. A lot, lot more than $150 per cpu.
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Sent: Thu 17/02/2005 16:13
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe
Marco wrote: In addition to my message below, when I enter the UV command
LIST.LOCKD I get the following:
LIST.LOCKS
Unable to get process lock semaphore.
Well would this mean something like I can't access the LOCK table because some
other process currently has it LOCKed ?
You could try
Now THIS is getting interesting!
I saw something similar twice. Once a hashed file header was corrupted
with a line that should have been written into a como file. Another
when a file had data from uv/SYS.MESSAGE written in it. Both occurred
in the context of a transaction logging failure. I've
John,
There is also a huge amount of things which can be done with a single line
query in both UD and UV. Because you don't know how to do them does not
mean they cannot be done. As you say, you are new, it's an unwise man who
rubbishes a product he knows little about. Suggest you ask a few
Or, more simply, ED VOC NOTHING
Drew
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Marco wrote: In addition to my message below, when I enter the UV command LIST.LOCKD I get the following:
LIST.LOCKS
Unable to get process lock semaphore.
Well would this mean something like I can't access the LOCK table because
Geez, he's right there in Denver, too.
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Dave Walker
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From: Andrew Lakeland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February
Marco,
I assume you've contacted the vendor(s) by now?
It sounds like a question for IBM support.
Since you have no source code, application support, too.
If when you get an answer, please post it here.
Thanks,
cds
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From: Marco Manyevere
I get the error message
ok , so why would they care about PE ?
What are you basing your 'embedded market' statement on ? I haven't heard of
any instances of universe being run on any kind of embedded system - not saying
there aren't any, i've just never heard of them.
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The knowledge base does include how-to information, even if it is in a
support call. Why should a user or var bother someone up the food chain when
the information is already held somewhere? I forgot, we are talking about
the 'crown jewels' aren't we.;-)
Please, I do like the product, it just
To toss my two cents worth in (as if you haven't received enough
comments, already! ;)
By modern, do mean a brand new technology? Or something that is
evolving? The U2 products have evolved tremondously over time (I
started on Prime INFORMATION in 1985). If you mean a completely new
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Marco wrote: In addition to my message below, when I enter
the UV command LIST.LOCKD I get the following:
LIST.LOCKS
Unable to get process lock semaphore.
[important bit snipped by Will]
[EACCES] Permission denied
Well would this mean something like I can't
Hi John,
Ease of development? Very little support required? I have just started
to use UD, and development is horrific, it take 10 times longer to do
things that can be accomplished by a single line query in an RDBMS'. Our
system requires constant attention, more attention than even MS Sql
server
Gerry,
Embedded is also a code word meaning we don't mention this part by
name. When people sell DB2 or Oracle based solutions, they tend to say,
we run our Apparel Application on Oracle. When the run on UniVerse,
UniData, and other MVs, they tend to say: We have an Apparel Application...
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True, I really shouldn't write off anything that I am not informed
about, but we have programmers here that have been programming Unidata
since time immemorial and they don't know how to do something like a
select statement that converts criteria into caps for comparison. E.g.
SELECT blah WITH
John,
I want to do). The best answer I got was create a virtual field that
stored the field in caps and then use that in the select. In fact, the
example in an old Unidata manual I found says to do just that. Perhaps
there is good reasoning behind that method, but the logic of it
completely
John,
i agree, why make it hard for the developer when we are trying to
promote their product.
Open up all information sources so we can do as much as possible.
Good product, bad support
One of the reason i like VB is that there is so much info out there and its
so easy to get at
jak
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what exactly is your definition of embedded ? and if universe IS an embedded
system - what system isn't ?
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Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 06:31 PM
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John, if you are using universe and have universe BASIC or TCL questions, you
can email me offline. I would be happy to help you.
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Sent: Thu Feb 17 17:55:34 2005
If memory serves me correctly, you also use an in-line FMT or OCONV if
you don't have write permissions on the DICT of the file.
BobW
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Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 3:41 PM
wow - I'm always amazed at the tendency of people on this list and perhaps mv
in general to take well defined terms and turn around and use those terms in a
completely different context in what seems like an attempt to 'pull one over'
by forgetting to mention that their definition is completely
Glen,
Thanks for the link, but we have a test system that I am allowed
to break :)
As for the constant attention, well I don't know anything at
all about the administration side of things yet, but there seems to be
something needing urgent attention at least once a week. Although
Goo'day,
At 10:40 18/02/05 +1100, you wrote:
John,
I want to do). The best answer I got was create a virtual field that
stored the field in caps and then use that in the select. In fact, the
example in an old Unidata manual I found says to do just that. Perhaps
there is good reasoning behind that
Thanks Craig, that works perfectly.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig Bennett
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:41 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] uv pe
John,
I want to do). The best answer I got was create
An embedded system in this context would be one where the programming language,
query language, data structures, and operating system are all embedded within
the application.
The application completely encapsulates all of these functions, making this
invisible to the operator.
This is in
Gerry,
This IS a generally accepted use of the term embedded database and it
certainly isn't confined to this list or the mv community. It may be one
with which you are not familiar, but that's another issue entirely.
An embedded database doesn't necessarily have anything to do with an
embedded
This is such a fundamental question ...sorry I'm such a numbskull -- I never
do this. How does one make a directory on unix into a unidata account? On
windoze I just make the directory and then go to it and type 'newacct'.
What does the trick on unix?
Thanks a million!
Susan
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Joslyn
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:12 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] Unidata acount on unix
same.
You can also avoid the lists and prompts for owner and group by specifying
eg
newacct root sys
Wally Terhune
Manager - U2 Advanced Technical Services
IBM Information Management Solutions
Tel: 303.294.4866 Fax: 303.294.4832
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Susan Joslyn wrote:
This is such a fundamental question ...sorry I'm such a
numbskull -- I never
do this. How does one make a directory on unix into a
unidata account? On
windoze I just make the directory and then go to it and type
'newacct'.
What does the trick on unix?
Its the same
Craig,
It wasn't that we just wanted to update them, we had to remove them for
legal reasons. I cannot go into the issues specifically, but suffice it to
say we had to make some changes and obtain certain approvals so that we
could have them on the Internet again. They will be hosted in another
Exactly. You have the right to use the software for personal development
use, but it not to distribute it. It's free of charge but that doesn't
imply it's freeware.
Regards,
LeRoy F. Dreyfuss
Product Manager
IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases
IBM Information Management
IBM isn't treating you unfairly, John. We sell through business partners
and they act according to their own business models and contractual
obligations with their clients as well as with their vendors. For technical
information, your reseller (in your case, your Master VAR) would be the
John,
We are contractually bound to work though our valued business partners. We
do appreciate your loyalty, we really do. However, your contracts are with
your Master VAR. We happily assist our Master VARs and direct partners with
technical information. They in turn provide that information to
If I remember (in my dim distant past), it's used to compile a new
UniData executable... Used if custom C routines need to be compiled into
UniData.
Martin
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Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005
...to rebuild the udt executable from object libraries.
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Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:08 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] Unidata acount on unix
Since I screwed that
Leroy,
so if a client wants to see some knowledge base article they must go
from
me to my master var to IBM and back again.
I am not even going to suggest this.
Some people like to find out as much as they can by themselves before
bothering anyone.
I had a recent example of a clent IT manager
As an application programmer the information contained in
U2TechConnect is probably far more technical than I will need for providing
end user screens and reports. To some degree I would like to know about a
64bit file Header corruption and how to run the tools to fix. Or how to find
out
All,
Two things:
(1) Please move this to U2-Community.
(2) Please don't kill the messenger. Some of the comments to
Leroy (who is taking his own time to respond to us) are bordering on rude.
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