RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-22 Thread Steve Mayo
at Group, Inc. >www.tincat-group.com > >Take and give some delight today. > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Dennis Bartlett >Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 3:56 AM >To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' >Su

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-22 Thread Dawn M. Wolthuis
AM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based Dawn Why dispense with the work already done in Data/Basic - I know I plug the language, and y'all ignore me, but OpenInsight (the GUI version of Advanced Revelation) looks and feels just like the Gates

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-22 Thread Robert Colquhoun
At 01:06 AM 22/04/2004, Anthony Youngman wrote: Java (not necessarily Sun's version) will be available on any platform that people care to put it on. MS have made a point of saying (or at the very least not denying) that .net is intended to work best with Windows and, indeed, parts of it are likely

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-22 Thread Robert Colquhoun
Hello Anthony, At 08:57 PM 21/04/2004, Anthony Youngman wrote: That's a LITTLE unfair :-) Yes Miguel is a publicist, but the war is fought mainly by clueless lusers who don't understand the real issues :-( Check out this BBC interview: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/321433.stm ie "I

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-22 Thread Anthony Youngman
ve* a disk attached to the local workstation... Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Bartlett Sent: 22 April 2004 09:46 To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based Schalk, you don't ha

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-22 Thread Ed Witney
Re: GUI as nice as character-based << File: ATT22903.txt >> Dawn and all, Another aspect of GUI, which we sure have to consider, is data communication lines. Our operation is spread over 1000 kilometres, and sending GUI screens back and forth will certainly clog our lines. Except

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-22 Thread Dennis Bartlett
>> but remembered not to include the entire original >> post in my response this time -- sorry I forget that on Oops! Me too - sorry folks! -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-22 Thread Dennis Bartlett
Dawn Why dispense with the work already done in Data/Basic - I know I plug the language, and y'all ignore me, but OpenInsight (the GUI version of Advanced Revelation) looks and feels just like the Gates product, _and_ has the wonderful facility to use your already existing DataBasic code. The bas

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-22 Thread Dennis Bartlett
the data stored at one central place. It worked a bomb. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schalk van Zyl Sent: 20 April 2004 12:52 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based Dawn and all, Another aspect of

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-22 Thread Brian Leach
Tony, >>Respectfully Brian, I seriously disagree and we owe it to ourselves to get up to date on the cost of development software. As you know I'm a huge Delphi fan and don't resent the cost of that. Until Delphi 7, whose only improvement over Delphi 6 was support for .Net that never materialise

Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-21 Thread FFT2001
In a message dated 4/21/2004 10:51:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > And the .NET jvm is free of charge, so no more dollars to microsoft. And > it is installed with every windows update, so every windows user has > already a "good environment" for .NET. More easy for us

[OT] GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-21 Thread James Canale, Jr.
Tony, Where did you find the legal MSDN for $1300? My renewal is now up for $2300 and with the DVD rebate, it is still $2000. Do the shipments still come directly from Microsoft? Thanks. Regards, Jim >> For Visual Studio .NET I acquired a legal copy of an MSDN Universal >>subscription for

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-21 Thread Tony Gravagno
I wrote: >... An Enterprise level shop doesn't care >that the software costs over US1000 and probably wouldn't be >using PHP for development. The Borland model is bl**dy expensive. Dangit, I meant to emphasize that "The Borland model NOT is bl**dy expensive." -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL P

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-21 Thread Tony Gravagno
Brian Leach wrote: >Of course the relative costs of PHP (free) against Visual >Studio .Net or Borland C# Builder (both bl**dy expensive) >might just be a small factor :-) Respectfully Brian, I seriously disagree and we owe it to ourselves to get up to date on the cost of development software. A

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-21 Thread James Canale, Jr.
>>Even though AFAIK the C# compiler itself is still available free. Yes, the VB.NET and the C# compiler are absolutely free. There is NOTHING that you can do with Visual Studio.NET that you can't do with the free download and notepad (or other). Actually, there are things you can do with the co

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-21 Thread Anthony Youngman
ng to work with linux in the (maybe near) future. Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christophe Marchal Sent: 21 April 2004 15:52 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based Yes, I agree. But .NET i

Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-21 Thread Christophe Marchal
ht today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christophe Marchal Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:03 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based Well, you have the java choice ;-) Java and javawebst

Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-21 Thread David Beahm
Dawn M. Wolthuis wrote: Java Web Start works reasonably well, and I have used it. But I sure don't see how you are "locked in" to Sun by using it. The Java libraries will be perpetuated with or without Sun. For example, IBM develops with Java, and I'm certain they don't think they are locked int

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-21 Thread Dawn M. Wolthuis
om: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christophe Marchal Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:03 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based Well, you have the java choice ;-) Java and javawebstart do the same thing as explain by Jame

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-21 Thread Donald Kibbey
If you load the .Net framework SDK the compiler is there. Micro$oft has also release the C++ compiler as a command line only download too. To use them you just have to figure out all the command strings and such. http://weblogs.asp.net/brianjo/archive/2004/04/17/115335.aspx http://www.micro

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-21 Thread Anthony Youngman
spect each others' viewpoints. It's a shame the lusers can't too. Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Colquhoun Sent: 21 April 2004 11:46 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-21 Thread Robert Colquhoun
Hello Tony, At 03:56 PM 21/04/2004, Tony Gravagno wrote: I'm just trying to find the time to get into Mono. I believe it has a bright future and will be great for all of us wanting cross-platform access into our MV apps. Maybe also have a look at dotgnu: http://www.gnu.org/projects/dotgnu

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-21 Thread Brian Leach
>Yes i noticed how poorly C# fared, it seemed to be growing all through 2002 then leveled off at just above 2% all >2003 to the current day. It seems stuck at only 10% of Java/C/C++ popularity which it is supposed to replace. The >ms exec's better be praying this is not the top of the bell curve.

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-21 Thread Robert Colquhoun
At 10:19 PM 20/04/2004, Brian Leach wrote: >>(scary how much php has moved up lately!) Actually I find it reassuring to know that PHP is still more popular than C# Yes i noticed how poorly C# fared, it seemed to be growing all through 2002 then leveled off at just above 2% all 2003 to the curren

Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Christophe Marchal
riginal Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Canale, Jr. Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 12:31 PM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based So, shockwave is fine, Java Web Start is fine and anything else that could

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Tony Gravagno
chris wrote: >mono is an C# .net port for linux. It supposed to run C# exes as >is (from a windows box) I haven't tired it yet. I still working on >my "hello world" app in C# so I'm not ready to try porting anything :) I'm just trying to find the time to get into Mono. I believe it has a brigh

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Tony Gravagno
Brian Leach wrote: >The data based stuff is pretty recent in terms of Flash, and I >guess most of the Flash community hasn't caught onto it yet - >after all, it is primarily a tool for content designers (and >for some pretty good games too) so most of the people using it >are not database minde

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Tony Gravagno
Brian Leach wrote: >> Or if you want browser based cross platform - is anyone on the list >> using Macromedia flash to talk to U2 through web services? Will wrote: >Aren't you missing something there? Or can "web services" >speak directly to a U2 database? And if so ... how? For info on Web Se

Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Bruce Nichol
Goo'day, Craig At 16:13 20/04/04, you wrote: >> just ask WordPerfect and Lotus (or DOS devotees or dumb terminal >>vendors or Eudora users or Netscape shareholders or vb6 developers). > >And, just what's wrong with these things?They're still available. And >work And are used. Not a thing B

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Ross Ferris
>-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Craig Bennett >Sent: Wednesday, 21 April 2004 9:20 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based > >Robert, > >>> >Perhaps you need

Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Craig Bennett
Robert, >To be honest i spend ages on the web and have not noticed any data oriented >stuff done in flash, all the flash stuff i have seen has been graphic >oriented...do macromedia have any references? I went to a Macromedia conference 12 months ago where they demonstrated a flash client passing

Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Craig Bennett
Robert, >> >Perhaps you need to look at XAML/Avalon, which will be part of Windows >>"Longhorn" by the time it >BYTES, the various opensource CLT projects >>should be up & away, and you may have your path. > >Sorry for the ignorance, but what is CLT? I don't know either, you'd have to ask Ro

Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Craig Bennett
>Any objection to me chasing that small 95% portion of the market in the meantime ? I figure I've been in the >"winning 5%" end of the niche for too long :-) After you old chap. No really, I insist. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Stuart Boydell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Wait do you mean the Windoze GUI that MS shamelessly stole from > Macintosh ? Presume you meant to say "that Apple shamelessly stole from Xerox" - n'es pas? ** This email message and any files tra

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Jeff Schasny
Well actualy, it was first "stolen" by Apple from Xerox. They first codified the WIMP interface for the Xerox Star system. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 11:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GUI

Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread FFT2001
In a message dated 4/20/2004 12:43:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Also, IMHO the primary usefulness of "a GUI" (lets face it folks, we're > talking about the Microsoft Windows GUI) is the fact that > so many people > already know how to use it. Wait do you mean the Win

Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread FFT2001
In a message dated 4/20/2004 12:34:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I'll accept that restatement, Will. My intent was not that there was no > footprint on the client, but that the user could go to a URL and would be > able to launch what they need to from there. So, shoc

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2004-04-20 Thread FFT2001
In a message dated 4/20/2004 8:19:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >>(scary how much php has moved up lately!) > > Actually I find it reassuring to know that PHP is still > more popular than C# > > Brian Wasn't C# writen by a programmer who could only type 10 words a m

Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread FFT2001
In a message dated 4/20/2004 7:21:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Or if you want browser based cross platform - is anyone on the list using > Macromedia flash to talk to U2 through web services? > > Brian Aren't you missing something there? Or can "web services" speak

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread James Canale, Jr.
>> And will this next version of .NET run fine on Linux and Mac OS? Well, that is the question just about everyone would like answered. It seems that Microsoft is well aware of several projects (mono being the most popular) and is monitoring those developments at this point. I can't tell if th

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Donald Kibbey
ke and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Canale, Jr. Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 12:31 PM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based >> So, shockwave is

Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread chris
mono is an C# .net port for linux. It supposed to run C# exes as is (from a windows box) I haven't tired it yet. I still working on my "hello world" app in C# so I'm not ready to try porting anything :) Chris Dawn M. Wolthuis wrote: And will this next version of .NET run fine on Linux and Mac

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Dawn M. Wolthuis
nd give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Canale, Jr. Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 12:31 PM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based >> So, shockwave is fine, Ja

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Dawn M. Wolthuis
Comments below. --dawn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Schasny Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 11:44 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based I disagree with a couple of points. For one, there is no

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread James Canale, Jr.
>> So, shockwave is fine, Java >> Web Start is fine and anything else that could be installed by users going >> to this web page and "clicking here" and that is maintained something like >> Adobe pdf readers would be fine. In case you haven't seen the next version of .NET yet, Visual Studio 2005

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Jeff Schasny
I disagree with a couple of points. For one, there is no reason that a character based app can not be written to validate data inputs just as efficiently as a GUI. Users can be forced to choose from a list of pre authorized values by a number of means. An assigned function key which brings up a

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Dawn M. Wolthuis
: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based Dawn, how blue sky are we talking? I am hugely impressed with wxWidgets (http://www.wxwidgets.org) a C++ GUI framework for developing applications on Windows, X, Mac, OS/2. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Dawn M. Wolthuis
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 10:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based In a message dated 4/19/2004 6:36:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > This does violate your rule about zero in

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Dawn M. Wolthuis
e some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Leach Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 5:03 AM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based To go back to Dawn's original post - Dawn, I've be

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Ross Ferris
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/t/thin_client.html Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Mark Johnson >Sent: Wednesday, 21 April 2004 12:18 AM >To: U2 Us

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Anthony Youngman
t;. That CAN be a lot! Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Johnson Sent: 20 April 2004 15:18 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based Isn't that what thin clients are for? To hold the ap

Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Mark Johnson
Isn't that what thin clients are for? To hold the app on the client end and only convey data. - Original Message - From: "Schalk van Zyl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "U2 Users Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 6:51 AM Subjec

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Brian Leach
>>(scary how much php has moved up lately!) Actually I find it reassuring to know that PHP is still more popular than C# Brian This email was checked on leaving Microgen for viruses, similar malicious code and inapprop

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Brian Leach
. Brian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Colquhoun Sent: 20 April 2004 12:56 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based Hello Brian, At 09:21 PM 20/04/2004, Brian Leach wrote: > >>I was hoping R

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Robert Colquhoun
Hello Brian, At 09:21 PM 20/04/2004, Brian Leach wrote: >>I was hoping Ross would recognise the possiblity that Windows might go the same way despite current market domination. So write your clients in Delphi - Continuing the series of google links, if you are interested in the relative popularit

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Peter Olson
"and sending GUI screens back and forth will certainly clog our lines" how/why would you send gui screens back and forth ? are you talking about system builder ? This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or e

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Ross Ferris
ay, 20 April 2004 8:52 PM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based > >Dawn and all, > >Another aspect of GUI, which we sure have to consider, is data >communication lines. >Our operation is spread over 1000 kilometres, and sending GUI screens back >

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Ross Ferris
PM >To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' >Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based > >>>I was hoping Ross would recognise the possiblity that Windows might go >the >same way despite current market domination. > >So write your clients in Delphi - > >Delphi for

Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Robert Colquhoun
Hi Craig, At 03:12 PM 20/04/2004, Craig Bennett wrote: >Perhaps you need to look at XAML/Avalon, which will be part of Windows "Longhorn" by the time it >BYTES, the various opensource CLT projects should be up & away, and you may have your path. Sorry for the ignorance, but what is CLT? Do y

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Brian Leach
>>I was hoping Ross would recognise the possiblity that Windows might go the same way despite current market domination. So write your clients in Delphi - Delphi for Windows native Delphi for .Net Delphi (Kylix) for Linux and D2J - produces Java bytecode from Delphi. Or if you want browser base

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Ross Ferris
IL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Craig Bennett >Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 4:14 PM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based > >>> just ask WordPerfect and Lotus (or DOS devotees or dumb terminal >>>vendors or E

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Ross Ferris
sible Application Markup Language) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Craig Bennett >Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 3:12 PM >To: U2 Users Discussion List

Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Schalk van Zyl
CTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn M. Wolthuis Sent: 20 April 2004 02:03 To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based Citrix and I don't get along -- too many bad memories trying to set up ODBC so that client machines ... anyway, I know that th

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Brian Leach
he lack of vision or competence of those implementing it. Brian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn M. Wolthuis Sent: 20 April 2004 02:03 To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based Citri

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-20 Thread Anthony Youngman
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Nichol Sent: 20 April 2004 06:56 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based At 15:12 20/04/04, you wrote: > just ask WordPerfect and Lotus (or DOS devotees or dumb terminal >vendors or Eudora users or Netscape sharehold

Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-19 Thread FFT2001
In a message dated 4/19/2004 10:57:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Well, perhaps not DOS or dumb terminal vendors wanna bet ? Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users

Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-19 Thread Craig Bennett
>> just ask WordPerfect and Lotus (or DOS devotees or dumb terminal >>vendors or Eudora users or Netscape shareholders or vb6 developers). > >And, just what's wrong with these things?They're still available. And >work And are used. Not a thing Bruce I wasn't suggesting there was. But ther

Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-19 Thread Bruce Nichol
At 15:12 20/04/04, you wrote: just ask WordPerfect and Lotus (or DOS devotees or dumb terminal vendors or Eudora users or Netscape shareholders or vb6 developers). And, just what's wrong with these things?They're still available. And work And are used. Well, perhaps not DOS or dumb termi

Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-19 Thread Craig Bennett
>Perhaps you need to look at XAML/Avalon, which will be part of Windows "Longhorn" by the time it >BYTES, the various opensource CLT projects should be up & away, and you may have your path. But Ross, that gives me no more advantages than using IE6 in the context of Dawn's question (although

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-19 Thread Ross Ferris
>Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 1:57 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based > >In a message dated 4/19/2004 6:36:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >> This does violate your rule about zero install, but I can&#

Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-19 Thread Craig Bennett
>You can't really have a zero client footprint. I'd rephrase Dawn's statement >to say that perhaps you are using client software that "the average person >would ALREADY have installed" such as a browser, a jpg viewer, a mp3 player, >etc. As long as its the RIGHT browser, an appropriate version, c

Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-19 Thread FFT2001
In a message dated 4/19/2004 6:36:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > This does violate your rule about zero install, but I can't think of a real > zero install technology ... once you consider web browser dependencies, java > dependencies, flash player dependencies, citrix

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-19 Thread Ross Ferris
OTECTED] On >Behalf Of Craig Bennett >Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 11:32 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based > >Dawn, > >how blue sky are we talking? > >I am hugely impressed with wxWidgets (http://www.wxwidgets.org) a C++ GUI &g

Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-19 Thread Craig Bennett
Dawn, how blue sky are we talking? I am hugely impressed with wxWidgets (http://www.wxwidgets.org) a C++ GUI framework for developing applications on Windows, X, Mac, OS/2. I also think the world is crying out for a cross platform application browesr (same idea as a web browser, but for running

Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-19 Thread Results
elf, remember] Cheers! --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Ferris Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 7:21 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE:

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-19 Thread Dawn M. Wolthuis
Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Ferris Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 7:21 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based Dawn, Citrix Server would break

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-19 Thread Ross Ferris
inal Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Dawn M. Wolthuis >Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 5:14 AM >To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' >Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based > >Ah, I should add or modify one of the requi

Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-19 Thread D Averch
CTED]> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 12:17 PM Subject: GUI as nice as character-based I haven't gotten through all of the postings in the GUI thread as yet, but am working on the question of how to write a GUI that is as good as a "green screen" from the perspective of folks curre

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-19 Thread Dawn M. Wolthuis
give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Schasny Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:21 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based My former employer Intuit Eclipse has successfully implement

Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-19 Thread Jon Wells
A friend of ours works for H&R Block. We had some questions regarding taxes and found out that H&R would let her run the figures through their Tax program. I'd sure like to know what its built on as it was one of the best GUI's I've seen. At 01:17 PM 4/19/2004, Dawn M. Wolthuis wrote: I haven

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-19 Thread Jeff Schasny
My former employer Intuit Eclipse has successfully implemented a Java front end ("Solar Eclipse"... get it, Sun... Java... Solar, Arrgh) for their distribution ERP system. The nice part is that you can use any combibnation of GUI and character interface you like. For example, the guys in the w

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-19 Thread Dawn M. Wolthuis
incat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Buffington, Wyatt Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 1:57 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based We have been using a product c

RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-19 Thread Buffington, Wyatt
: Re: GUI as nice as character-based Dawn: Good luck in your search for this holy grail. Lemme know if such a silver bullet is found. I've been hunting for years. Mark Johnson Original Message - From: "Dawn M. Wolthuis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-19 Thread Mark Johnson
Dawn: Good luck in your search for this holy grail. Lemme know if such a silver bullet is found. I've been hunting for years. Mark Johnson Original Message - From: "Dawn M. Wolthuis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2

GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-19 Thread Dawn M. Wolthuis
I haven't gotten through all of the postings in the GUI thread as yet, but am working on the question of how to write a GUI that is as good as a "green screen" from the perspective of folks currently using a green screen application. I saw hints at that, but nothing that tackled it from the standp