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Stefano Rivera wrote on 10/10/11 20:24:
>
> Hi Sebastien (2011.10.10_20:34:48_+0200) ...
>>> * No obvious approaches to handling security issues or bug
>>> reports yet.
>>
>> How does android or app stores deal with those?
As well as linking to th
On Monday, October 10, 2011 06:40:33 PM Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> Le lundi 10 octobre 2011 à 12:34 -0400, Scott Kitterman a écrit :
> > What rationale would there be for doing that for just Universe? There
> > are
> > lots of leaf applications in Main and lots of libraries in Universe.
>
> I thi
Hi Micah (2011.10.10_21:52:58_+0200)
> I thought ARB was supposed to be lightweight apps, why would these
> require (or even be allowed) to include library dependencies?
It's not uncommon when packaging new apps to need to package a library
or two too. And most upstreams (that don't have distribut
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 06:08:16PM +0200, Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> - there are lot of people out there who writer softwares and have no
> interest to learn enough about Ubuntu to become a MOTU, they just want
> to reach users, they should be welcome to join as well and in a way
> which is not to d
On 10/10/2011 02:24 PM, Stefano Rivera wrote:
> Hi Sebastien (2011.10.10_20:34:48_+0200)
>> Well you would perhaps have run into some issues where you need upgrades
>> or fixes to the "platform" side and looked at the "main" archive to get
>> those solved? Or you would have just contributed to extr
On Monday, October 10, 2011 03:26:18 PM Barry Warsaw wrote:
> On Oct 10, 2011, at 02:50 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> >First, I think that things are getting pushed into the distro before they
> >are really ready. Also there are upstreams that push to get last minute
> >features in (e.g. Unity) and
On Oct 10, 2011, at 02:50 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>First, I think that things are getting pushed into the distro before they are
>really ready. Also there are upstreams that push to get last minute features
>in (e.g. Unity) and so there are consequences when there are unexpected side
>effects.
Hi Sebastien (2011.10.10_20:34:48_+0200)
> What if we made packaging easy enough that upstream code get their
> software themself in extras?
I think that's a pretty vital requirement for ARB to succeed long term.
And sandboxing. Otherwise the review load is monstrous.
And yes, ARB has the potenti
On Monday, October 10, 2011 09:00:51 PM Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> Le lundi 10 octobre 2011 à 14:53 -0400, Scott Kitterman a écrit :
> > How does feature freeze prevent fixing bugs?
>
> It doesn't which was my point ;-) I was suggesting keep universe under
> the feature freeze rule for ever rather
Le lundi 10 octobre 2011 à 14:53 -0400, Scott Kitterman a écrit :
> How does feature freeze prevent fixing bugs?
It doesn't which was my point ;-) I was suggesting keep universe under
the feature freeze rule for ever rather than hard freezing it.
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On Monday, October 10, 2011 02:17:27 PM Barry Warsaw wrote:
> On Oct 10, 2011, at 02:06 PM, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
> >Instead of a new repository (extras or PPAs or whatever), why don't we use
> >backports more to get new packages into the stable releases? Firefox and
> >Chromium, though special, hav
* Scott Kitterman :
> On Monday, October 10, 2011 05:03:09 PM Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> > Le lundi 19 septembre 2011 à 22:03, Benjamin Drung a écrit :
> > > Why not discourage REVU completely?
> >
> > Reducing the number of sites in use and consolidating the
> > workflows seems like a good idea in
* Scott Kitterman :
> On Monday, October 10, 2011 08:49:37 AM Alex Chiang wrote:
> > * Scott Kitterman :
> > > Where else is there a site that you can upload successive
> > > versions of packages with the same version number and see
> > > diffs between the uploads?
> >
> > mentors.debian.net ?
> >
On Monday, October 10, 2011 08:34:48 PM Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> Well, do you think that letting the universe unfrozen under feature
> freeze rules would improve its stability or lower it? I think it would
> improve it since we could keep fixing bugs.
How does feature freeze prevent fixing bugs?
On Monday, October 10, 2011 07:52:44 PM Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> Le lundi 10 octobre 2011 à 13:15 -0400, Scott Kitterman a écrit :
> > I understand what you're saying. It's not a distro I would use.
>
> Ok, fair enough, let's agree that we disagree then. Just one question
> then, do you consider
Le lundi 10 octobre 2011 à 20:05 +0200, Stefano Rivera a écrit :
> I'm still sitting on the fence about ARB in general. I think lowering
> the barrier to entry for new apps is probably a good idea. It does come
> with downsides:
> * We need to divert manpower to packaging these apps. On the other
Le lundi 10 octobre 2011 à 14:06 -0400, Jeremy Bicha a écrit :
>
> Instead of a new repository (extras or PPAs or whatever), why don't we
> use backports more to get new packages into the stable releases?
Because backports requires to get your package in the archive first then
to get it backport
On Oct 10, 2011, at 02:06 PM, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
>Instead of a new repository (extras or PPAs or whatever), why don't we use
>backports more to get new packages into the stable releases? Firefox and
>Chromium, though special, have at least opened the door more to stable
>updates that aren't just
On 10 October 2011 13:52, Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> Le lundi 10 octobre 2011 à 13:15 -0400, Scott Kitterman a écrit :
>> I understand what you're saying. It's not a distro I would use.
>
> Ok, fair enough, let's agree that we disagree then. Just one question
> then, do you consider a feature (i.e
Hi Sebastien (2011.10.10_18:08:16_+0200)
> - there are lot of people out there who writer softwares and have no
> interest to learn enough about Ubuntu to become a MOTU, they just want
> to reach users, they should be welcome to join as well and in a way
> which is not to difficult for them
I'm st
Le lundi 10 octobre 2011 à 13:15 -0400, Scott Kitterman a écrit :
> I understand what you're saying. It's not a distro I would use.
Ok, fair enough, let's agree that we disagree then. Just one question
then, do you consider a feature (i.e a good thing) that upstreams have
to get "locked" in our 6
On Monday, October 10, 2011 06:40:33 PM Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> Le lundi 10 octobre 2011 à 12:34 -0400, Scott Kitterman a écrit :
> > What rationale would there be for doing that for just Universe? There
> > are
> > lots of leaf applications in Main and lots of libraries in Universe.
>
> I thin
On Oct 10, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>Generally for new packages I find it easier to see changes in both together
>as, more than once, I've dealt with an upstream developer who was trying to
>roll a correct upstream tarball for a proper release as well as get the
>packaging right i
Le lundi 10 octobre 2011 à 12:34 -0400, Scott Kitterman a écrit :
> What rationale would there be for doing that for just Universe? There
> are
> lots of leaf applications in Main and lots of libraries in Universe.
I think we should consider differently the system and the softwares so
the using
On Monday, October 10, 2011 06:08:16 PM Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> Le lundi 10 octobre 2011 à 16:41 +0100, Colin Watson a écrit :
> > It's pretty much how I got involved in Debian, way back when.
>
> Great, it's also how I started in Debian back then ;-)
>
> Debian and Ubuntu are great communities
On Monday, October 10, 2011 06:13:13 PM Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> Le lundi 10 octobre 2011 à 11:59 -0400, Scott Kitterman a écrit :
> > For /debian or the full source?
>
> We tend to have only the debian directory in the vcs, it's easier to
> work with and combined with the upstream tarballs you g
Le lundi 10 octobre 2011 à 11:59 -0400, Scott Kitterman a écrit :
> For /debian or the full source?
We tend to have only the debian directory in the vcs, it's easier to
work with and combined with the upstream tarballs you get what you need
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Sebastien Bacher wrote:
>Le lundi 10 octobre 2011 à 11:44 -0400, Scott Kitterman a écrit :
>>
>> Where else is there a site that you can upload successive versions of
>> packages
>> with the same version number and see diffs between the uploads?
>
>Well, for desktop packages we do the packag
Le lundi 10 octobre 2011 à 16:41 +0100, Colin Watson a écrit :
> It's pretty much how I got involved in Debian, way back when.
Great, it's also how I started in Debian back then ;-)
Debian and Ubuntu are great communities and will keep attracting people
who have interest in doing that sort of wor
Hey,
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:53:38AM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2011 08:49:37 AM Alex Chiang wrote:
> > * Scott Kitterman :
> > > On Monday, October 10, 2011 05:03:09 PM Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> > > > Le lundi 19 septembre 2011 à 22:03, Benjamin Drung a écrit :
> >
Le lundi 10 octobre 2011 à 11:44 -0400, Scott Kitterman a écrit :
>
> Where else is there a site that you can upload successive versions of
> packages
> with the same version number and see diffs between the uploads?
Well, for desktop packages we do the packaging in a vcs and use the vcs
histor
On Monday, October 10, 2011 05:50:29 PM Benjamin Drung wrote:
> Am Montag, den 10.10.2011, 11:44 -0400 schrieb Scott Kitterman:
> > On Monday, October 10, 2011 05:03:09 PM Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> > > Le lundi 19 septembre 2011 à 22:03 +0200, Benjamin Drung a écrit :
> > > > Why not discourage REV
On Monday, October 10, 2011 08:49:37 AM Alex Chiang wrote:
> * Scott Kitterman :
> > On Monday, October 10, 2011 05:03:09 PM Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> > > Le lundi 19 septembre 2011 à 22:03, Benjamin Drung a écrit :
> > > > Why not discourage REVU completely?
> > >
> > > Reducing the number of sit
Am Montag, den 10.10.2011, 11:44 -0400 schrieb Scott Kitterman:
> On Monday, October 10, 2011 05:03:09 PM Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> > Le lundi 19 septembre 2011 à 22:03 +0200, Benjamin Drung a écrit :
> > > Why not discourage REVU completely?
> >
> > Reducing the number of sites in use and consoli
On Monday, October 10, 2011 04:42:44 PM Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> Le lundi 10 octobre 2011 à 10:23 -0400, Scott Kitterman a écrit :
> > If we try to reduce the work to the available developers by reducing
> > the scope
> > of the archive, then we are also reducing the pool of potentially
> > intere
On Monday, October 10, 2011 05:03:09 PM Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> Le lundi 19 septembre 2011 à 22:03 +0200, Benjamin Drung a écrit :
> > Why not discourage REVU completely?
>
> Reducing the number of sites in use and consolidating the workflows
> seems like a good idea indeed ;-)
Where else is th
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 04:42:44PM +0200, Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> There is still enough in the system components stack (or main) to be
> interesting, do you think a stack of unmaintained "small softwares" in
> universe is what makes people want to join the project?
It's pretty much how I got inv
Le lundi 10 octobre 2011 à 16:09 +0100, Allison Randal a écrit :
>
> We essentially have three classes of packages in Ubuntu:
>
> - Lightweight applications, which I would encourage to apply through
> developer.ubuntu.com (i.e. Extras/ARB), and we can help the developer
> figure out if it makes
On 10/10/2011 03:42 PM, Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> Le lundi 10 octobre 2011 à 10:23 -0400, Scott Kitterman a écrit :
>>
>> If we try to reduce the work to the available developers by reducing
>> the scope
>> of the archive, then we are also reducing the pool of potentially
>> interested
>> develop
Le lundi 19 septembre 2011 à 22:03 +0200, Benjamin Drung a écrit :
> Why not discourage REVU completely?
Reducing the number of sites in use and consolidating the workflows
seems like a good idea indeed ;-)
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Le lundi 10 octobre 2011 à 10:23 -0400, Scott Kitterman a écrit :
>
> If we try to reduce the work to the available developers by reducing
> the scope
> of the archive, then we are also reducing the pool of potentially
> interested
> developers as well.
There is still enough in the system comp
On Monday, October 10, 2011 12:03:44 PM Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> Le mardi 20 septembre 2011 à 16:10 +0200, Matthias Klose a écrit :
> > not sure I do understand you. What reason did they give to have it in
> > the
> > distribution in the first place?
>
> Upstream don't care much about "being in t
Le mardi 20 septembre 2011 à 16:10 +0200, Matthias Klose a écrit :
> not sure I do understand you. What reason did they give to have it in
> the
> distribution in the first place?
Upstream don't care much about "being in the distribution" I think, what
they care about is to reach users and have t
Salut Sébastien,
Am 10.10.2011 11:32, schrieb Sebastien Bacher:
> Thinking a bit about that, is there any reason we don't recommend in
> that list to use the appreview board and get things in
> extras.ubuntu.com? Getting things in the main archive and following the
> Ubuntu cycles means extra work
Le lundi 19 septembre 2011 à 12:28 +0200, Daniel Holbach a écrit :
> Thanks for your thoughts in advance.
Hey Daniel,
Thinking a bit about that, is there any reason we don't recommend in
that list to use the appreview board and get things in
extras.ubuntu.com? Getting things in the main archive
Hello,
Am 20.09.2011 10:17, schrieb Stefano Zacchiroli:
> I suggest that you work with the people who have been animating over the
> past few years the debian-mentors community to ensure that mentoring
> activities are sustainable, no matter the load or the number of
> derivatives distro that want
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:07:02PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 04:51:37PM -0400, Marc Deslauriers wrote:
> > I'm slightly curious. If someone managed to get a package in Ubuntu, but
> > then stopped maintaining it, why would encouraging him to get it into
> > Debian make hi
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59:07PM +0100, Jonathan Lange wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Colin Watson wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:09:54PM -0700, Evan Broder wrote:
> >> If we're going to focus on making this easier, can we focus on the
> >> first two options? Historically speak
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Matthias Klose wrote:
> On 09/20/2011 01:59 PM, Jonathan Lange wrote:
>> Do those who stuffed it in get alerted of breaks?
>
> yes, see my emails to -announce about build failures. Then have a look at
> http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test
On 09/20/2011 01:59 PM, Jonathan Lange wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Colin Watson wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:09:54PM -0700, Evan Broder wrote:
>>> If we're going to focus on making this easier, can we focus on the
>>> first two options? Historically speaking, packages that li
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:09:54PM -0700, Evan Broder wrote:
>> If we're going to focus on making this easier, can we focus on the
>> first two options? Historically speaking, packages that live solely in
>> Ubuntu and aren't part of any relea
On Sep 19, 2011, at 02:07 PM, Alex Chiang wrote:
>I did manage to get good feedback about my python module from
>both debian-mentors mailing list and #debian-python. It's partly
>a matter of finding time to address comments; partly that
>Packaging Is Hard, even for someone who kinda knows what the
Hello,
Am 19.09.2011 22:07, schrieb Alex Chiang:
> I did manage to get good feedback about my python module from
> both debian-mentors mailing list and #debian-python. It's partly
> a matter of finding time to address comments; partly that
> Packaging Is Hard, even for someone who kinda knows what
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 01:27:42PM -0700, Allison Randal wrote:
> But, I think the deeper question is whether developers here in Ubuntu,
> who would have been looking at the REVU queues, would be willing to
> spend that time reviewing the same package proposals for Debian. You
> don't have to be a
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 04:51:37PM -0400, Marc Deslauriers wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 20:55 +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:09:54PM -0700, Evan Broder wrote:
> > > If we're going to focus on making this easier, can we focus on the
> > > first two options? Historically
On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 20:55 +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:09:54PM -0700, Evan Broder wrote:
> > If we're going to focus on making this easier, can we focus on the
> > first two options? Historically speaking, packages that live solely in
> > Ubuntu and aren't part of any r
* Evan Broder :
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Bryce Harrington
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:28:03PM +0200, Daniel Holbach wrote:
> >>
> >> The feedback I've got lately about getting new packages into Ubuntu is
> >> that it's still
On 09/19/2011 01:03 PM, Benjamin Drung wrote:
>
> Why not discourage REVU completely?
I was looking through the lists of packages currently in REVU last week,
some sitting with no action for a long time. So far, I haven't seen any
packages that wouldn't have been better submitted to Debian. Now,
Am Montag, den 19.09.2011, 20:55 +0100 schrieb Colin Watson:
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:09:54PM -0700, Evan Broder wrote:
> > If we're going to focus on making this easier, can we focus on the
> > first two options? Historically speaking, packages that live solely in
> > Ubuntu and aren't part of
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:09:54PM -0700, Evan Broder wrote:
> If we're going to focus on making this easier, can we focus on the
> first two options? Historically speaking, packages that live solely in
> Ubuntu and aren't part of any release's user experience tend to end up
> largely orphaned by a
tps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
>>
>> Particularly the section about getting a package into Debian.
>>
>> The feedback I've got lately about getting new packages into Ubuntu is
>> that it's still quite complicated and you need unreal amo
t getting a package into Debian.
>
> The feedback I've got lately about getting new packages into Ubuntu is
> that it's still quite complicated and you need unreal amounts of
> patience to get your package in.
>
> There's a number of different approaches you can ta
Hello everybody,
with the help of the nice people on the Debian derivatives mailing list,
we updated
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
Particularly the section about getting a package into Debian.
The feedback I've got lately about getting new packages into U
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