On 09/23/2007 09:35 PM, Michael Adams wrote:
>
> And the similar issue raised in 2002 using the correct procedure has 1
> vote for it... still.
> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=6286
>
> Net gain = nil.
>
Has 3 now & I added a request that *all* unsubscribed messages/posts be
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:18:30 +0530
"Diabolic Preacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Resulting in double posting to the list as someone else reposts to the
> > OP with a copy to the list to prevent anyone else reposting.
>
> someone else...anyone elsebut not me. let those in favour of
> exte
On 9/24/07, Michael Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > no more complaints. i stated in the previous reply the way i plan to
> > deal with the problem.
> >
>
> Resulting in double posting to the list as someone else reposts to the
> OP with a copy to the list to prevent anyone else reposting.
so
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:20:02 +0530
Diabolic Preacher wrote:
> On 9/24/07, Robert Smits <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > You're missing the whole point, as does Larry. It's not about what
> > email program you use to read mail, it's about complaining about the
> > setup of the listserve because yo
People,
If we want to fix this we need to take it to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have started a new thread on this on the other mail list. Come
join me. The other list is where the people that can change it can
be found.
I am not directing this at any one person but all of you.
--
http://24.197.142
On 9/24/07, Robert Smits <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You're missing the whole point, as does Larry. It's not about what email
> program you use to read mail, it's about complaining about the setup of the
> listserve because you have problems when you read it mirrored to a newsgroup.
> If that's a
On 9/23/07, Robert Smits <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On September 20, 2007 11:48:20 pm Larry Gusaas wrote:
This listserve does not require that posters be
> subscribed. It's a deliberate decision to do so,
so it is also a deliberate decision of many of the subscribers to not
bother specially for
On September 20, 2007 11:49:23 pm Diabolic Preacher wrote:
> On 9/21/07, Robert Smits <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Then, for pity's sake, USE A REAL EMAIL PROGRAM to read the list!
>
> oi! why are ye shouting!
> 'real' email program, eh? what about us GMail/Yahoo/any other
> web-based mail users
On September 20, 2007 11:48:20 pm Larry Gusaas wrote:
> On 9/21/07 12:23 AM, Robert Smits wrote:
> > On Wednesday 19 September 2007 12:23, Larry Gusaas wrote:
> >> I am not complaining about people CCing the original poster. I AM
> >> complaining about people being able to post without being subscr
On 9/23/07, Charlie Seaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think the amount of space devoted to this argument is far greater than
> the amount of space used in the past month by the type of posting you're
> arguing about stopping. I also think that the number of list users
> arguing is an infinites
I think the amount of space devoted to this argument is far greater than
the amount of space used in the past month by the type of posting you're
arguing about stopping. I also think that the number of list users
arguing is an infinitesimal number compared with the people needing help.
Diabol
Mike wrote:
> Suppose mail from unsubscribed users (only) is put through some sort of
> filtering. This would look for key words/phrases ("does it run on
I've thought about reconfiguring my mailbot to do exactly that.
The two major stumbling blocks are:
* Identifying the correct originating addre
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 01:20:46 +0530
Diabolic Preacher wrote:
> On 9/23/07, Michael Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Suppose mail from unsubscribed users (only) is put through some
> > > sort of filtering.
> >
> > It already is, that is what a 'monitor' does. Approves a post that
> > is on
On 09/22/2007 12:50 PM, Diabolic Preacher wrote:
>
> I don't intend moaning at all, as you would see i was trying to think
> of being part of the answer than the problem, but my problem now is
> 1. has someone created a RFE?
> 2. how does one create an RFE?
>
> RFE=?
>
http://www.openoffice.or
On 9/23/07, Michael Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Suppose mail from unsubscribed users (only) is put through some sort
> > of filtering.
>
> It already is, that is what a 'monitor' does. Approves a post that is on
> topic to ensure it is not spam getting in..
so what was asked in this thre
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:54:51 +0100
mike scott wrote:
> On 21 Sep 2007 at 21:28, Diabolic Preacher wrote:
>
> > On 9/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > On Friday 21 September 2007 09:26:47 Michael Adams wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:44:59 -0700
> >
> > if the em
On Saturday 22 September 2007 03:54:51 mike scott wrote:
> On 21 Sep 2007 at 21:28, Diabolic Preacher wrote:
> > On 9/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Friday 21 September 2007 09:26:47 Michael Adams wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:44:59 -0700
> >
> > if the email
On 21 Sep 2007 at 21:28, Diabolic Preacher wrote:
> On 9/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Friday 21 September 2007 09:26:47 Michael Adams wrote:
> > > On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:44:59 -0700
>
> if the email client problem is taken aside, what are the reasons for
> either all
On 9/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Friday 21 September 2007 09:26:47 Michael Adams wrote:
> > On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:44:59 -0700
if the email client problem is taken aside, what are the reasons for
either allowing or disallowing non-subscribed posts.
although everyone h
On Friday 21 September 2007 09:26:47 Michael Adams wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:44:59 -0700
>
> NoOp wrote:
> > On 09/20/2007 06:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > On Thursday 20 September 2007 20:57:35 Michael Adams wrote:
> > >> On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:35:52 +0100
> > >>
> > >> Harold Fuchs
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:44:59 -0700
NoOp wrote:
> On 09/20/2007 06:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Thursday 20 September 2007 20:57:35 Michael Adams wrote:
> >> On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:35:52 +0100
> >>
> >> Harold Fuchs wrote:
> >> > On 20/09/2007 13:45, CPHennessy wrote:
> >> > > On Wednesda
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:42:03 -0600
Larry Gusaas wrote:
> On 9/20/07 6:50 PM, Michael Adams wrote:
> > On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:07:20 -0600
> > Larry Gusaas wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On 9/19/07 1:33 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:14:05 -0600
> >>> Larry Gusaas <[EMAIL PROTEC
On 9/21/07, Robert Smits <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wednesday 19 September 2007 12:23, Larry Gusaas wrote:
...
> Then, for pity's sake, USE A REAL EMAIL PROGRAM to read the list!
oi! why are ye shouting!
'real' email program, eh? what about us GMail/Yahoo/any other
web-based mail users. i kno
On 9/21/07 12:23 AM, Robert Smits wrote:
On Wednesday 19 September 2007 12:23, Larry Gusaas wrote:
I am not complaining about people CCing the original poster. I AM
complaining about people being able to post without being subscribed. As
I explained elsewhere, I can not filter for unsubscribe
On Wednesday 19 September 2007 12:23, Larry Gusaas wrote:
> I am not complaining about people CCing the original poster. I AM
> complaining about people being able to post without being subscribed. As
> I explained elsewhere, I can not filter for unsubscribed posters when I
> use the Gmane newsgr
On 9/20/07 6:50 PM, Michael Adams wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:07:20 -0600
Larry Gusaas wrote:
On 9/19/07 1:33 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:14:05 -0600
Larry Gusaas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
No thanks. Thunderbird handles Reply-All correctly :-)
On 09/20/2007 06:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Thursday 20 September 2007 20:57:35 Michael Adams wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:35:52 +0100
>>
>> Harold Fuchs wrote:
>> > On 20/09/2007 13:45, CPHennessy wrote:
>> > > On Wednesday 19 September 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> > >> FYI t
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:18:02 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Do you like seeing the same questions asked several times a day
> everyday? There are a lot of casual users on Windows, and now
> apparently MAC as well, who do not even try to find an answer to
> their question they just go to the s
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:18:02 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Do you like seeing the same questions asked several times a day
> everyday? There are a lot of casual users on Windows, and now
> apparently MAC as well, who do not even try to find an answer to
> their question they just go to the s
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:18:02 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Do you like seeing the same questions asked several times a day
> everyday? There are a lot of casual users on Windows, and now
> apparently MAC as well, who do not even try to find an answer to
> their question they just go to the s
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:18:02 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Do you like seeing the same questions asked several times a day
> everyday? There are a lot of casual users on Windows, and now
> apparently MAC as well, who do not even try to find an answer to
> their question they just go to the s
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:18:02 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Do you like seeing the same questions asked several times a day
> everyday? There are a lot of casual users on Windows, and now
> apparently MAC as well, who do not even try to find an answer to
> their question they just go to the s
On Thursday 20 September 2007 20:57:35 Michael Adams wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:35:52 +0100
>
> Harold Fuchs wrote:
> > On 20/09/2007 13:45, CPHennessy wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 19 September 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> > >> FYI to all. I sent a request to the
> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:35:52 +0100
Harold Fuchs wrote:
> On 20/09/2007 13:45, CPHennessy wrote:
> > On Wednesday 19 September 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >> FYI to all. I sent a request to the [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >list> that handles the website asking that subscription be required
> >
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:07:20 -0600
Larry Gusaas wrote:
> On 9/19/07 1:33 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
> > On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:14:05 -0600
> > Larry Gusaas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> No thanks. Thunderbird handles Reply-All correctly :-)
> >>
> >
> > Apparently not. Re-read your pr
On 20/09/2007 13:45, CPHennessy wrote:
On Wednesday 19 September 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FYI to all. I sent a request to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list
that handles the website asking that subscription be required to
post to the list. Maybe we will see it happen.
That ios exactly h
On Thursday 20 September 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Thursday 20 September 2007 08:45:08 CPHennessy wrote:
> > On Wednesday 19 September 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > FYI to all. I sent a request to the [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > list that handles the website asking that subscription b
On Wednesday 19 September 2007, Harold Fuchs wrote:
>
> Yes, I really don't understand why *all* posts from unsubscribed users
> can't have the "[moderated]" tag.
There is a link on http://www.openoffice.org/contact.html which has a mailto:
link which sets the subject line to "[moderated] YOU MUST
On Wednesday 19 September 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> FYI to all. I sent a request to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list
> that handles the website asking that subscription be required to
> post to the list. Maybe we will see it happen.
That ios exactly how this list works. The only addition is that
On Wednesday 19 September 2007, Larry Gusaas wrote:
[snip]
> I've decided that in the future I will no longer bother looking at the
> headers before replying. When I do I often get an off list reply to me
> rather than to the list. If people are too lazy to subscribe, they won't
> get my reply.
It
So if you put "moderator for users@openoffice.org" (without the quotes)
in
that field, it should find all of the emails from people who are
unsubscribed,
nopes. didn't work. it found out your message and the other message
thread where originally it was suggested to look for this header in
the
On 9/20/07, Adrian Try <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> When creating a filter, the "Has the words" field searches the headers as
> well as the message.
>
> So if you put "moderator for users@openoffice.org" (without the quotes) in
> that field, it should find all of the emails from people who are
>
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
jimw wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just to get in on this. Considering how many people write in with
> problems, but don't (apparently) know enough about e-mail to not put
> their whole post, several paragraphs worth, in the subject line, as well
> as va
Please take this to the discuss list.
Larry Gusaas wrote:
On 9/19/07 4:42 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:33:54 -0600
Larry Gusaas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
BTW, I am not a new user and I get real tired of sanctimonious and
superior attitudes of some "experts".
In the i
Just to get in on this. Considering how many people write in with
problems, but don't (apparently) know enough about e-mail to not put
their whole post, several paragraphs worth, in the subject line, as well
as various other things, putting the hurdle in their way of having to
subscribe first
On 9/19/07 4:42 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:33:54 -0600
Larry Gusaas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
BTW, I am not a new user and I get real tired of sanctimonious and
superior attitudes of some "experts".
In the immortal words of WC Fields: Go away, son. You bother me.
Personally, I think it is great that some people here try to make sure
the unsubscribed posters who ask questions get the answers to their
problems.
Arguing about this is sending lots of cranky emails to lots of people
who probably don't want them, probably close to the number of extra
emails
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:33:54 -0600
Larry Gusaas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> BTW, I am not a new user and I get real tired of sanctimonious and
> superior attitudes of some "experts".
In the immortal words of WC Fields: Go away, son. You bother me.
Does that sound sufficiently superior? It i
On 9/19/07 3:53 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:07:20 -0600
Larry Gusaas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Some (many) people here do, as unsubscribed users post questions and follow-ups
to this mailing list. (See above.)
Then send personal emails to just those people who are unsubscr
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:07:20 -0600
Larry Gusaas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't have a problem. The list has a problem in allowing unsubscribed
> poster
Perhaps. But since this list is neither yours or mine, we must accept it as
is, move on to other things, or convince the list maintainer
On 9/19/07 1:33 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:14:05 -0600
Larry Gusaas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
No thanks. Thunderbird handles Reply-All correctly :-)
Apparently not. Re-read your previous remarks in this thread. A different
mail client can and would solve your probl
From this thread I suppose people using email
clients check for "Delivered-To: moderator for users@openoffice.org"
to flag messages from non-subscribed people. If anyone can tell me a
way to do this in GMail
When creating a filter, the "Has the words" field searches the headers as
well as the
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:14:05 -0600
Larry Gusaas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No thanks. Thunderbird handles Reply-All correctly :-)
Apparently not. Re-read your previous remarks in this thread. A different
mail client can and would solve your problems.
> REPLY TO LIST ONLY
> I do no need dupli
On 9/19/07 7:12 AM, Dan Lewis wrote:
On Wednesday September 19 2007 03:45 am, Larry Gusaas wrote:
On 9/19/07 1:51 AM, Harold Fuchs wrote:
On 19/09/2007, Larry Gusaas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Actually, the only ones I am interested in reaching are those who can
make people s
On 9/19/07 9:34 AM, Frank Cox wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:37:11 -0600
Larry Gusaas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
However, if I select reply to all in Thunderbird, you will not get the
message to your address. The Reply-to header is set to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] In choosing reply all to your messa
On 9/19/07, Dan Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wednesday September 19 2007 03:45 am, Larry Gusaas wrote:
> > On 9/19/07 1:51 AM, Harold Fuchs wrote:
> > > On 19/09/2007, Larry Gusaas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
first of all, i would like to thank those who explicitly CC to
non-subscri
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:37:11 -0600
Larry Gusaas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> However, if I select reply to all in Thunderbird, you will not get the
> message to your address. The Reply-to header is set to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] In choosing reply all to your message, my reply
> gets sent to the fol
On Wednesday September 19 2007 03:45 am, Larry Gusaas wrote:
> On 9/19/07 1:51 AM, Harold Fuchs wrote:
> > On 19/09/2007, Larry Gusaas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Actually, the only ones I am interested in reaching are those who can
> >
> >> make people subscribe to this list before the
On 9/19/07 1:51 AM, Harold Fuchs wrote:
On 19/09/2007, Larry Gusaas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Actually, the only ones I am interested in reaching are those who can
make people subscribe to this list before they can post.
Forcing people to subscribe before they can post is forcing t
On 9/19/07 1:59 AM, Frank Cox wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:34:44 +0100
"mike scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
send to list /and/ poster (and risk
annoying the poster when he gets two copies).
What's annoying? If you're replying to someone's question or comment,
presumably the perso
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:34:44 +0100
"mike scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> send to list /and/ poster (and risk
> annoying the poster when he gets two copies).
What's annoying? If you're replying to someone's question or comment,
presumably the person who you're replying to wishes to read the
On 19/09/2007, Larry Gusaas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Actually, the only ones I am interested in reaching are those who can
> make people subscribe to this list before they can post.
>
>
Forcing people to subscribe before they can post is forcing them to receive
often scores of e-mails per day i
On 19/09/2007, Larry Gusaas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
* I am talking about using Thunderbird as a Newsreader, not as
> email. I read the posts to this list from Gmane using Thunderbird.
> When I check for new postings, I get a list showing Subject, From,
> and Date. Thunder
On 19 Sep 2007 at 1:33, Harold Fuchs wrote:
...
> Yes, I really don't understand why *all* posts from unsubscribed users
> can't have the "[moderated]" tag.
>
> My main reason for raising this again is that there is currently one
> poster (no names, no pack drill) who is providing really good an
On 9/19/07 12:30 AM, Brian Barker wrote:
At 18:24 18/09/2007 -0600, Larry Gusaas wrote:
[snip]
I've decided that in the future I will no longer bother looking at
the headers before replying.
[snip]
You will forgive me for being amused by this. You are choosing to
send your messages to perh
At 18:24 18/09/2007 -0600, Larry Gusaas wrote:
[snip]
I've decided that in the future I will no longer bother looking at
the headers before replying.
[snip]
You will forgive me for being amused by this. You are choosing to
send your messages to perhaps a few thousand people who will probabl
On 9/18/07 6:51 PM, Harold Fuchs wrote:
On 19/09/2007 01:24, Larry Gusaas wrote:
On 9/18/07 5:48 PM, Harold Fuchs wrote:
You can see the all the headers after you download the message.
Thunderbird can only filter on the four headers shown before you
download the message. There have been reg
On 19/09/2007 01:24, Larry Gusaas wrote:
On 9/18/07 5:48 PM, Harold Fuchs wrote:
You can see the all the headers after you download the message.
Thunderbird can only filter on the four headers shown before you
download the message. There have been regular complaints on
Thunderbird newsgroup
On 09/18/2007 05:24 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
>
> I've decided that in the future I will no longer bother looking at the
> headers before replying. When I do I often get an off list reply to me
> rather than to the list. If people are too lazy to subscribe, they won't
> get my reply.
>
>
Perh
On 19/09/2007 01:20, NoOp wrote:
As far as I know, if you read this list via a Newsreader (via Gmane)
then you'll never see the relevant header and you won't be able to tell
if the poster of a given message is subscribed or not.
Actually if you read via Gmane you can tell, you just ne
I'm lazy, so I just automatically copy the OP if I have any question about their
status as a subscriber at all.
FWIW,
Donald.
NoOp wrote:
On 09/18/2007 04:48 PM, Harold Fuchs wrote:
On 18/09/2007 22:33, Diabolic Preacher wrote:
On 9/19/07, Gregory Forster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I
On 9/18/07 5:48 PM, Harold Fuchs wrote:
Users who are not subscribed to this list are, nevertheless, allowed
to post to it. When you reply to such a post and do not explicitly
include the poster's e-mail address in the To: or Cc: list of your
reply then the poster won't receive it and you wil
On 09/18/2007 04:48 PM, Harold Fuchs wrote:
> On 18/09/2007 22:33, Diabolic Preacher wrote:
>> On 9/19/07, Gregory Forster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>
>>> I try to clean up my hard drive now and then.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Users who are not subscribed to this list are, nevertheless,
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