On Thursday 21 September 2006 7:24 am, James Knott wrote:
Fred A. Miller wrote:
[snip]
I guess I'm in a unique position, where I can refuse to support MickySoft
- ONLY replace it with SUSE Linux. I know many who wish they could do the
same.
Where I am right now, there's one Windows app,
On Monday 25 September 2006 3:34 pm, Shane D. Johnson wrote:
I am in the same boat.. I have applications and Internet sites that
only work with M$. I know that with WINE you are supposed to be able to
run them, but I haven't had the time to make it work yet. I have even
explored the option
On Monday 25 September 2006 3:16 pm, Ross Bernheim wrote:
I've been doing this for sometimeI'm not new to consulting,
Ross. :) As I said at the outset, I don't support MickySoft - period.
And, I'm fortunate in that I don't have to.
Fred
You are very lucky indeed. I am unfortunately
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Chad,
I totally AGREE with you.
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On Sep 25, 2006, at 20:54, Kirill S. Palagin wrote:
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company use MS Word
On Sep 26, 2006, at 0:20, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Correct. One area that I haven't had a problem yet with, is
Accessno one
is using it that I've dealt with. I'd like to hear from someone who
has and
what they did to replace Access and if so, did they use Base or
something
else that will
Ross Bernheim wrote:
On Sep 25, 2006, at 20:54, Kirill S. Palagin wrote:
What specifically is inconvinient in supporting Word/Excel?
Because I need to convert the document and save it in Word/Excel
format rather than odf.
It is possible to set the save as to Word and Excel, I think. I
James McKenzie wrote:
Ross Bernheim wrote:
On Sep 25, 2006, at 20:54, Kirill S. Palagin wrote:
What specifically is inconvinient in supporting Word/Excel?
Because I need to convert the document and save it in Word/Excel
format rather than odf.
It is possible to set
On Sep 26, 2006, at 13:03, James McKenzie wrote:
James McKenzie wrote:
Ross Bernheim wrote:
On Sep 25, 2006, at 20:54, Kirill S. Palagin wrote:
What specifically is inconvinient in supporting Word/Excel?
Because I need to convert the document and save it in Word/Excel
format rather
Ross Bernheim wrote:
I know how to do that, but then I would not be using odf and
supporting MS's
lock on the desktop. I prefer to use odf and at least make those using
MS's
programs aware that there are alternatives and not everyone has or wants
MS's programs and lock in.
Ross:
At least
On Sep 23, 2006, at 0:54, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Fred,
Not all cases are the same. Businesses vary quite a bit. Some are
totally locked down and controlled. Others
are much less controlling and only step in when there is a problem. I
have seen a whole range of situations.
If it is a
I am in the same boat.. I have applications and Internet sites that
only work with M$. I know that with WINE you are supposed to be able to
run them, but I haven't had the time to make it work yet. I have even
explored the option of putting everything but those application on Linux
and
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company use MS Word and other MS programs. I can deal with
the Excel
steve wrote:
[snip]
Since when management became good at technical decisions?
When they decided to sign the cheques. :)
In many cases, management don't have a clue as to productivity issues.
We will standardize on this and go to hell with the productivity, at
least until the problems start
Chuck wrote:
Fred A. Miller wrote:
And, I'd bet that even if you gave him all the info. to PROVE that Aspartame
is a POSION, he'd still continue to consume it. Personality flaws are like
that. :(
Oh, p-lease. Lets see, how many billion bottles of diet coke have been
sold? And how many
Ross Bernheim wrote:
Fred,
Not all cases are the same. Businesses vary quite a bit. Some are
totally locked down and controlled. Others
are much less controlling and only step in when there is a problem. I
have seen a whole range of situations.
If it is a controlling situation and the boss
Robin Laing wrote:
Kirill S. Palagin wrote:
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In ALL cases, management
On Friday 22 September 2006 15:10, Robin Laing wrote:
Kirill S. Palagin wrote:
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Ross Bernheim wrote:
Fred,
Many find it 'difficult' to move from a tool that they are familiar with
and
comfortable using. It also takes time and effort to learn something new.
In order for these people to change, the thing that they are changing to
has to be not just a bit better, but
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In ALL cases, management has determined that OO IS better
than
Kirill S. Palagin wrote:
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In ALL cases, management has determined that OO
Fred,
Not all cases are the same. Businesses vary quite a bit. Some are
totally locked down and controlled. Others
are much less controlling and only step in when there is a problem. I
have seen a whole range of situations.
If it is a controlling situation and the boss says MS Office, then
On Sep 22, 2006, at 0:20, Kirill S. Palagin wrote:
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In ALL cases, management
Fred A. Miller wrote:
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 6:34 pm, James Knott wrote:
I forgot to mention, at the company where OO was used, I installed Linux
on my computer, though most in the company used Windows. I even had one
OS/2 system to support.
I guess I'm in a unique position, where
Fred,
Many find it 'difficult' to move from a tool that they are familiar
with and
comfortable using. It also takes time and effort to learn something new.
In order for these people to change, the thing that they are changing to
has to be not just a bit better, but significantly better in
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 18:08:46 PM -0400, Fred A. Miller
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College campus' are full of Linux.
That's true only in ICT courses, isn't it? Never heard of, say,
literature students running away en-masse from what they still find
preinstalled on almost any new laptop.
When
Derek,
In small businesses there are as many if not more impediments to
adopting alternatives such as Open Office. I work in a small company.
When I started, there were two of us, the owner and myself.
His is a MS Windows, MS Office, Publisher, etc. user. I am primarily a
Mac
user and to
Chuck wrote:
Ross Johnson wrote:
The article is also further evidence of the market effect that this must
ultimately have as more companies make the switch. If
OpenOffice/Linux/FOSS really does improve the bottom line, then the
market will ultimately force competitors to switch as well.
Ross
As a small business I have a major impediment to standardising on OOo, and
that is all my clients use MSOffice and we need to share files.
The round trip between MSOffice and OOo just isn't good enough for me to use
OOo and them use MSOffice. I did for a spell use OOo, and then load the file
Chuck wrote:
Ross Johnson wrote:
Hogwash. When you start a job you are told what software the company
uses and there is no option to use another alternative because you like
it better. This is standard practice. Why should that change just
because it's MS Office? What do you think would
I would have thought that working in a small business would have made it
easier to adopt alternatives to M$ software. I work in a business with
about 17 full time personnel. Up to two years ago we had to work with a
motley collection of PC's running on Win 95, 98 and Me, using various
versions
Terrance,
The point I was making was that there are other factors at work that
limit adoption of the best solution, OOo.
My boss sees no need to change. MS Office is what he is used to and has
and has no reason to change.
Since he is the boss, he makes sure that MS Office is on all the PC's
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 11:04 am, Chuck wrote:
Hogwash. When you start a job you are told what software the company
uses and there is no option to use another alternative because you like
it better. This is standard practice. Why should that change just
because it's MS Office? What do
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 12:54 pm, James Knott wrote:
[snip]
At another employer I worked for, OO was standard. Where I am now,
while MS Office is supplied, I run OO, convinced a co-worker to run it
and have got a manager considering it for company wide use.
This happens a lot, for
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 3:45 pm, Ross Bernheim wrote:
Terrance,
The point I was making was that there are other factors at work that
limit adoption of the best solution, OOo.
My boss sees no need to change. MS Office is what he is used to and has
and has no reason to change.
Since he
Fred A. Miller wrote:
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 12:54 pm, James Knott wrote:
[snip]
At another employer I worked for, OO was standard. Where I am now,
while MS Office is supplied, I run OO, convinced a co-worker to run it
and have got a manager considering it for company wide use.
Fred,
He won't buy a new computer with Vista just because it is new. We
continue to
use our computers until they will not run the needed versions of the
software we
use or die beyond economical repair. It will be a few years at least
until he gets
a new computer.
Ross
On Sep 20, 2006, at
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 6:34 pm, James Knott wrote:
Fred A. Miller wrote:
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 12:54 pm, James Knott wrote:
[snip]
At another employer I worked for, OO was standard. Where I am now,
while MS Office is supplied, I run OO, convinced a co-worker to run
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 7:23 pm, Ross Bernheim wrote:
Fred,
He won't buy a new computer with Vista just because it is new. We
continue to
use our computers until they will not run the needed versions of the
software we
use or die beyond economical repair. It will be a few years at
Chuck wrote:
Fred A. Miller wrote:
OpenOffice is now ready for the workstation, as is The GIMP, Holt said. He
firmly believes that Linux should not be relegated to the back room.
I would add one more suggestion. In the event that an employee does
switch back to MS Office, make them pay for
Chuck wrote:
Fred A. Miller wrote:
GOOD article!
Fred
How to succeed
Learning from his own mistakes, Holt offers this advice to IT shops who want
to dump MS Office for non-Microsoft desktops:
Remove the outgoing office suite and enforce usage of OpenOffice. Once
someone is used to
quo for their own sakes.
Derek Wilson
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Chuck wrote:
Fred A. Miller wrote:
GOOD article
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