Re: SPF and spammers

- Original Message - From: "Codger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > But the fact that they do create the SPF records then makes all the > other rules like SURBL more effective. The strength they have had till > SPF has been the fact that the could forge domains. > > If you already use a blacklistin

Re: SPF and spammers

On Sep 13, 2004, at 9:22 PM, Bill Landry wrote: - Original Message - From: "Codger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If you already use a blacklisting host(s) and also use SPF then the combination would be more effective than either alone, whether the SPF added or removed points even. I agree that using

SpamAssassin 3.0.0-rc5 RELEASED

*** THIS IS A RELEASE CANDIDATE ONLY, NOT THE FINAL 3.0.0 RELEASE *** SpamAssassin 3.0.0-rc5 is released! SpamAssassin 3.0.0 is a major update and includes a number of new email and anti-spam technologies. SpamAssassin is a mail filter which uses advanced statistical and heuristic tests to ident

Re: Just how many addresses are there for this list?

Don't use the To: address field, use the List-Id if your MUA can do it: List-Id: "SpamAssassin Users" users@spamassassin.apache.org Oh, pooh. Timely (or perhaps prescient?) question, it seems they're coming across as List-ID: now.

RE: Running spamd on different server and user profiles

Darren Casey wrote: >> If I run spamd on a different server, how are the user > profiles for my > local >> users handled? > > We use MySQL and it means this is fairly easy > > Darren Can you tell me more about your setup? I keep getting a failed sanity check error aft

[SARE] New URI Rule Set

Just a quick announcement that SARE has published a new rule set, aimed at identify spam by signs found within URI links. Information at http://www.rulesemporium.com/rules.htm#uri File at http://www.rulesemporium.com/rules/70_sare_uri.cf I'd appreciate it if someone who uses RDJ and/or is more f

Duplicates in 70_sare_ratware.cf and 70_sare_header0.cf?

Dear Bob, While were at it, could you have a look at 70_sare_ratware.cf and 70_sare_header.cf? I have got the feeling that some (all?) Ratware checks are duplicated in both rules. If it is, the 70_sare_ratware.cf set should disappear from the SARE site (and RDJ). It is confusing and not a good ide

Re: [SARE] New URI Rule Set

Rob tried it and didn't break anything - use SA in conjunction with MailScanner.. -- Martin Hepworth Snr Systems Administrator Solid State Logic Tel: +44 (0)1865 842300 Robert Menschel wrote: Just a quick announcement that SARE has published a new rule set, aimed at identify spam by signs found w

Lotus Notes

Has anybody noticed a high proportion of false positives from clients using lotus notes ? Ron -- Ron McKeating Senior IT Services Specialist Internet Services and Software Solutions Loughborough University 01509 222329

Re: Bayesian Filtering/Resending from Outlook

> My question is this: When the message is resent some of the headers in > the resent message are different than the original message. Will > sa-learn be learning something differently if it analyzes the resent > message based on the fact that the headers are slightly different? I would strongly

Re: Still running as root?

Which version of SA? This sounds like a problem in some of the earlier cuts at 3.0. Loren > another machine. Everything installs fine (make tests=100%) and seem to run > but in /var/log/maillog, I get these entries: > > info: setuid to root succeeded > spamd[15901]: Still running as roo

Re: Moron ratware

--On Friday, September 10, 2004 9:35 PM -0700 Kenneth Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've been getting the same bad RCPT TO from 200.232.195.50 for the last 13 hours. I've now got 3 hosts connected to me submitting the same bad address over and over. The address is the bogus one I use in the

Re: SORBS Fine - Views

Darren Casey wrote on Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:00:03 +0100: > However, SORBs are demanding $50 to remove the IP from the list. Their > comparison of speeding is something I find totally crazy. > Hm, $50 isn't that much. Don't view that as a "fee" you have to pay. Bill your customer since he's obvious

Re: spamassassin-users on MARC

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matt Kettler writes: > At 03:49 PM 9/13/2004, Al Sparks wrote: > >I noticed that the Mailing list ARChives (MARC) doesn't have any posts > >for September, for spamassassin-users. > > > >The apache web page does advertise that MARC is one of the archiv

Re: SA 3.0-RC2 producing extremely large bayes journal files

Daniel Quinlan wrote on 11 Sep 2004 13:55:08 -0700: > If you haven't already, please file a bug. > No, I didn't file a bug yet. It happened twice during the testing of RC2 on the RC2 machine. It didn't happen on the RC3 machine. I applied RC4 three days ago to both machines and am still waiting

Re: SPF and spammers

> > If the SPF records pass then the blacklisting becomes effective > since > spammers can't hide. You could add a small number of points for a > pass > in that case of course (or not if you wish). That's in sync with > SA's > sum total approach where multifaceted point scoring produces the > most

Re: Lotus Notes

Would you care to share an example with SA headers? Ron McKeating wrote: Has anybody noticed a high proportion of false positives from clients using lotus notes ? Ron

RE: [spf-discuss] SPF & proxy filters

guy (/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ) wrote: > On an un-related subject... > Does you firewall know what users are valid? > Or does it just accept email for anyone, then forward it to your SMTP > server? No, my firewall does not kno

Re: [spf-discuss] SPF & proxy filters - IGNORE!!

Whoops! Screwed that email up and also sent it to the wrong group. Please ignore it! Thanks! Kevin Peuhkurinen wrote: guy (/wrote: > On an un-related subject... > Does you firewall know what users are valid? > Or does it just accept email for anyone, then forward it to your SMTP > server? No,

Re: Duplicates in 70_sare_ratware.cf and 70_sare_header0.cf?

Hello Harrie, Tuesday, September 14, 2004, 12:48:32 AM, you wrote: OH> While were at it, could you have a look at 70_sare_ratware.cf and OH> 70_sare_header.cf? I have got the feeling that some (all?) Ratware OH> checks are duplicated in both rules. If it is, the 70_sare_ratware.cf OH> set should

Re: SPF and spammers

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the most part and I'd say 99.999 (maybe add more 9's)% of the time, the SPF result is "None". You can't do anything effective with that. On average, you'll need to receive more than 100,000 emails to receive ONE from a domain with an SPF record? Impossible. You g

Re: Still running as root?

> > another machine. Everything installs fine (make tests=100%) and seem to > run > > but in /var/log/maillog, I get these entries: > > > > info: setuid to root succeeded > > spamd[15901]: Still running as root: user not specified with -u, not > found, > > or set to root. Fall back to nobody. I

any performance benefit to SA 3.0?

I've read through the benefits to SA 3.0 but I don't see any mention of performance. I was wondering: A) Does SA 3.0 use less memory/CPU then SA 2.64? B) Does SA 3.0 take less time to decide if an email is spam then SA 2.64? C) Does SA 3.0 do a better job of identifying spam with its default confi

List headers

Is there a reason that the List-Id header keeps changing? I use procmail to filter my messages into mailboxes and I keep coming in to an Inbox full of SA messages because the header has changed again. Please... stop mucking with the headers, or at the very least, let us know in advance when you're

Re: Still running as root?

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, John Fleming wrote: It's in the manual. Add the following line to your system wide procmail file: DROPPRIVS=YES -Dan another machine. Everything installs fine (make tests=100%) and seem to run but in /var/log/maillog, I get these entries: info: setuid to root succeeded spa

Re: Lotus Notes

On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 13:02, Kevin Peuhkurinen wrote: > Would you care to share an example with SA headers? > > Sadly not possible as these emails are getting rejected, we reject anything with a spam score over 10. So no I don't have the headers, but they are all happening to the same organisatio

Re: List headers

Rubin Bennett wrote: > Please... stop mucking with the headers, or at the very least, > let us know in advance when you're going to do it? Aye, the list ID should best not be changed without prior notification. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Yours sincerely Dipl. Inform. Ralph Seichter

Re: any performance benefit to SA 3.0?

On Tuesday 14 September 2004 06:36, scohen wrote: > I've read through the benefits to SA 3.0 but I don't see any mention of > performance. I was wondering: > > A) Does SA 3.0 use less memory/CPU then SA 2.64? cant say for others but in my case and from what I have read from the list. cpu is about

Re: Lotus Notes

Hi This is a header of a mail sent via Lotus Notes and I noticed no false positives from Lotus Notes I running Spamassassin 2.63 with some ruleset from SARE and Amavisd-new / Max X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.12 February 13, 2003 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:

RE: any performance benefit to SA 3.0?

The biggest performance benefit you'll see is if you use spamd. The pre-forking of children makes an incredible amount of difference. We ran tests with networking and bayes disabled and the improvement was over 2x. Chris -Original Message- From: scohen [mailto:[EMAI

Re: Lotus Notes

Max wrote: Hi This is a header of a mail sent via Lotus Notes and I noticed no false positives from Lotus Notes I running Spamassassin 2.63 with some ruleset from SARE and Amavisd-new / Max X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.12 February 13, 2003 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 tagged_above=-50.0 re

Re: Lotus Notes

Well, a search through my most recent 20,000 spam emails shows only 4 with "X-Mailer: Lotus Notes", all of which are definately spam. I'm using 2.64 with Razor, DCC, SURBL and: 70_sare_adult.cf 70_sare_bayes_poison_nxm.cf 70_sare_html0.cf 70_sare_random.cf 99_sare_adult.cf 99_sare_spoof.cf Obfu

Examples posted to exit0.us wiki

I finally, (Gee it only took months!), posted the SA setup examples to the www.exit0.us wiki. I've tried to keep them as anonymous as possible. If you were the original submiter, and wish to tweak what is there, please do. Or if I have left links that you do not wish to be public, please remove. (I

Re: SPF and spammers

Hmmm. I just checked my MTA logs for one six-hour period and have 10 SPF fails so that one in 100,000 can't be accurate. On Sep 14, 2004, at 9:11 AM, Tom Meunier wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the most part and I'd say 99.999 (maybe add more 9's)% of the time, the SPF result is "None". You c

RE: any performance benefit to SA 3.0

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Chris Blaise wrote: > > The biggest performance benefit you'll see is if you use spamd. The > pre-forking of children makes an incredible amount of difference. > > We ran tests with networking and bayes disabled and the improvement > was over 2x. > > Chris > Than

Re: Milter or Spamd error?

Andy Jezierski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 09/13/2004 10:13:01 AM: > I've got a question as to whether you think this is a milter error or a > spamd error. I'm thinking milter. > > I'm running milter-spamc 0.24 along with sendmail 8.13 on one box, which is > calling spamd 3.0rc3 (haven't had

Re: Lotus Notes

At 09:45 AM 9/14/2004, Ron McKeating wrote: Sadly not possible as these emails are getting rejected, we reject anything with a spam score over 10. So no I don't have the headers, but they are all happening to the same organisation and they are all lotus notes users. When your MTA rejects the email,

Re: Just how many addresses are there for this list?

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:08:26 -0500 Tom Meunier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Don't use the To: address field, use the List-Id if your MUA can > > do it: > > > > List-Id: "SpamAssassin Users" > > users@spamassassin.apache.org > > Oh, pooh. > > Timely (or perhaps prescient?) qu

Re: Just how many addresses are there for this list?

On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 09:02:39AM -0700, Raquel Rice wrote: > > > users@spamassassin.apache.org > > Timely (or perhaps prescient?) question, it seems they're coming > > across as List-ID: now. > > I can't believe that every couple of weeks I'm adding another > condition to check for thi

Re: SPF and spammers

On 2004-09-14, at 15.11, Tom Meunier wrote: For the most part and I'd say 99.999 (maybe add more 9's)% of the time, the SPF result is "None". You can't do anything effective with that. On average, you'll need to receive more than 100,000 emails to receive ONE from a domain with an SPF record? Im

Re: SPF and spammers

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's (SPF)primary purpose is to identify legitimate MTAs and prevent the Joe Jobs. Correct. At best, it only allows us to dump mail sent to us by someone spoofing our domain and only if it is sent to us. You don't need SPF for that. There are lots of ways you can dump inc

Re: Milter or Spamd error?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andy Jezierski writes: > Andy Jezierski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 09/13/2004 10:13:01 AM: > > > I've got a question as to whether you think this is a milter error or a > > spamd error. I'm thinking milter. > > > > I'm running milter-spamc 0.24 al

RE: Bayesian Filtering/Resending from Outlook

I did a quick test to see the differences. The original has a Return-Path header, the forwarded attachment does not. The forwarded attachment has a Reply-To header that the original did not. The value of the Return-Path and the Reply-To in the messages are identical but the headers are differe

Subject line

Would it be possible to have emails to this list have something such as "[SA-LIST} Subject here" in the subject line for easier sorting of the emails in folders? This is actually the first list am using that doesn't have anything unique in the subject. Thanks, Predrag

Re: Subject line

Predrag Lezaic wrote: Would it be possible to have emails to this list have something such as "[SA-LIST} Subject here" in the subject line for easier sorting of the emails in folders? This is actually the first list am using that doesn't have anything unique in the subject. This has been discu

Re: Subject line

At 01:24 PM 9/14/2004, Tom Meunier wrote: You're using Mozilla Thunderbird. Use the List-ID header / contains / users.spamassassin.apache.org for your message rules, and it'll work fine. At least until the next time it changes :P.

Re: any performance benefit to SA 3.0

> Thanks for the input. I guess I should mention that we will likely be > running this through mimedefang or some other sendmail milter instead of > procmail and spamd. I understand that mimedefang has its own overhead and > memory issues but I was wondering about the SA component. The reason I am

Re: Subject line

I second that. Often ppl on the list will (b)cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org, so we need something like a [listserv name] subject header. Roger At 10:15 AM 9/14/2004, you wrote: Would it be possible to have emails to this list have something such as "[SA-LIST} Subject here" in the subject line

RE: any performance benefit to SA 3.0?

Can you also get a performance boost ifyou use the unix socket instead of the tcp socket? Someone mentioned this feature back in teh 2.6x era, but I could never get it to work. This assumes that spamd is running on the local machine. Chris Blaise said: > > The biggest performance benefit you

Re: any performance benefit to SA 3.0?

--On Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:36 AM -0400 scohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A) Does SA 3.0 use less memory/CPU then SA 2.64? I saw some memory leaks corrected on the dev list. Might be important in spamd.

Re: Subject line

At 01:31 PM 9/14/2004, Roger E. Rustad, Jr. wrote: I second that. Often ppl on the list will (b)cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org, so we need something like a [listserv name] subject header. If you can find anything not covered in past threads, feel free to repost, but please read the archives fi

Re: Still running as root?

Dan Mahoney, System Admin prime.gushi.org> writes: > > On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, John Fleming wrote: > > It's in the manual. Add the following line to your system wide procmail > file: > > DROPPRIVS=YES > > -Dan > That was it. Problem solved. Thanks for the tip. I looked on the wiki and in

Re: Bayesian Filtering/Resending from Outlook

Jim Ficarra wrote: I did a quick test to see the differences. The original has a Return-Path header, the forwarded attachment does not. The forwarded attachment has a Reply-To header that the original did not. The value of the Return-Path and the Reply-To in the messages are identical but the he

Re: List headers

* Ralph Seichter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-09-14 15:52:38 +0200]: > Rubin Bennett wrote: > > > Please... stop mucking with the headers, or at the very least, > > let us know in advance when you're going to do it? > > Aye, the list ID should best not be changed without prior > notification. > >

Re: Subject line

I certainly agree with a simple [SA} prefix so that the SA emails don't get lost and deleted with all the other stuff I get. However, this came up a few months ago and the SA list nazis decided that we must be too stupid not to have programmed our email clients to automatically sort our email.

[SA-LIST] RE: Subject line

Why not just do it then. If others want to, then they will follow. If not so be it. I will create a rule to move it along with the other(s) that I have to move email from this list. -Original Message- From: Jeff Koch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 1:58 PM To:

[TopPost] RE: [SA-LIST] RE: Subject line

I figured is you were gonna start another group flame war, we should do it correctly. 1) SA should block viruses 2) Top posting makes girlz hot! 3) All lists need tags in subject. 3b) All democrats sell poison milk to school children. 5) OMGHI2Uone!!GOTPICS? 6) abortion 7) Afirmitive actio

Re: [TopPost] RE: [SA-LIST] RE: Subject line

I thought it was Guns kill people, people kill puppies and OMG we need to afirmitively abort the pope's poison jello. Steve Cohen Top posting to make girlz hot! On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Chris Santerre wrote: > I figured is you were gonna start another group flame war, we should do it > correctl

Re: Subject line

Quoting Jeff Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I certainly agree with a simple [SA} prefix so that the SA emails don't get lost and deleted with all the other stuff I get. However, this came up a few months ago and the SA list nazis decided that we must be too stupid not to have programmed our email client

Re: Subject line

I am subscribed to a lot of different mailing lists which vary in volume. Having a simple prefix in the subject line makes life a lot easier. Some lists allow users to choose whether they want this or not and for a list discussing mail related issues I would have thought that something like this wo

Re: Subject line

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Michele Neylon::Blacknight Solutions wrote: Hear hear. By the way, the list is run on mailman, so it's definitely possible. Did someone HAVE a good reason for why it's not happening? I can live with a four-character longer subject line. I should observe that at least one

Re: Subject line

--On Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:33 PM +0100 "Michele Neylon::Blacknight Solutions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Having a simple prefix in the subject line makes life a lot easier. Precisely *how* does it make life "easier"? Why is List-Id not sufficient? X-Mailer: Evolution 1.5.93 Evo can recogn

RE: Subject line

> > Having a simple prefix in the subject line makes life a lot > > easier. > > Precisely *how* does it make life "easier"? It makes life easier if you stuff a few related lists into a single mailbox. > > Why is List-Id not sufficient? > > > X-Mailer: Evolution 1.5.93 > > Evo can recognize List-I

Re: Subject line

Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Michele Neylon::Blacknight Solutions wrote: Hear hear. By the way, the list is run on mailman, so it's definitely possible. Nope. EZMLM. Did someone HAVE a good reason for why it's not happening? I can live with a four-character longer subj

Re: Subject line

Hi, On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: > On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Michele Neylon::Blacknight Solutions wrote: > > [...] > Did someone HAVE a good reason for why it's not happening? I can live > with a four-character longer subject line. Please check the archives. Someone else has

Re: Subject line

Bret Miller wrote: Having a simple prefix in the subject line makes life a lot easier. Precisely *how* does it make life "easier"? It makes life easier if you stuff a few related lists into a single mailbox. I don't get it. I only have the one mailbox and a dozen lists, and they s

Re: Subject line

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Tom Meunier wrote: Well then people like you can continue to sort based on the list header. Isn't that easy? -Dan Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Michele Neylon::Blacknight Solutions wrote: Hear hear. By the way, the list is run on mailman, so it's defin

Re: Subject line

On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 13:52 -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote: > --On Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:33 PM +0100 "Michele Neylon::Blacknight > Solutions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Having a simple prefix in the subject line makes life a lot > > easier. > > Precisely *how* does it make life "easie

Re: Subject line

On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 13:52 -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote: > --On Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:33 PM +0100 "Michele Neylon::Blacknight > Solutions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Having a simple prefix in the subject line makes life a lot > > easier. > > Precisely *how* does it make life "easie

Re: Subject line

* Michele Neylon::Blacknight Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Why is List-Id not sufficient? > > It's only visible if you examine the header. Something in the subject > line is a lot more visual Pssst: "Subject:" is also a header. -- Ralf Hildebrandt (i.A. des IT-Zentrum) [EMAIL PRO

Re: Subject line

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Tom Meunier wrote: Why would it make any confusion at all? I honestly do not understand how they can even find their way into the same folder (it sounds like you're sorting into folders, I'm not sure though). I have half a dozen lists dealing with nothing but messaging, an

Re: Subject line

Quoting Tom Meunier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: Did someone HAVE a good reason for why it's not happening? I can live with a four-character longer subject line. Yup. Atrocities like this: http://www.perlcode.org/lists/vps-mail/msg00158.html Re: [THIS] Fwd: [THAT] Re:

Re: Subject line

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Tom Meunier wrote: Bret Miller wrote: Having a simple prefix in the subject line makes life a lot easier. Precisely *how* does it make life "easier"? It makes life easier if you stuff a few related lists into a single mailbox. Because a program isn't doing the sorting. Your

Cannot whitelist this address

If anyone can help I thank you. I run SA on win32. We use a third party application which sends emails via SMTP from out DMZ to our mailserver. The email is generated with a spoofed name and then sent so the headers are partially fake. SA is detecting this and I cannot find anyway to let this email

Re: Subject line

Quoting Ralf Hildebrandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: * Michele Neylon::Blacknight Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Why is List-Id not sufficient? It's only visible if you examine the header. Something in the subject line is a lot more visual Pssst: "Subject:" is also a header. Yes, but its one that every

RE: Subject line

> >>>Having a simple prefix in the subject line makes life a lot > >>>easier. > >>> > >>> > >>Precisely *how* does it make life "easier"? > >> > >> > > > >It makes life easier if you stuff a few related lists into a single > >mailbox. > > > > > > I don't get it. I only have the one mailbox and a d

RE: Subject line

On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 14:14 -0700, Bret Miller wrote: > > I don't expect the policy will change, so I'll eventually find another > visual way to deal with it. And who decides the policy? -- Mr. Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Co-location & Domain Registration http://www.blacknight

RE: Subject line

On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 14:14 -0700, Bret Miller wrote: > > I don't expect the policy will change, so I'll eventually find another > visual way to deal with it. And who decides the policy? -- Mr. Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Co-location & Domain Registration http://www.blacknight

Re: [TopPost] RE: [SA-LIST] RE: Subject line

Surely you've seen this: "Puppy shoots Florida man" http://www.semissourian.com/story.html$rec=145935 (Deliberately top posting to keep the subject tag accurate. And hey, if it results in hot girlz, who am I to complain?) scohen wrote: I thought it was Guns kill people, people kill puppies and OM

Re: [TopPost] RE: [SA-LIST] RE: Subject line

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Kelson wrote: Trust me, I've dated a girl who liked anime and spoke in nothing but leetspeak and broken japanese. It sounds cute until you get a PHONE CALL asking "when will B teh Gushi home 4 dinn0rz". She's gone now. -Dan Surely you've seen this: "Puppy shoots Florida man

Re: Subject line

Jim Maul wrote: Also, i dont see how it would break alphabetical sorting any more than mail clients inserting Re: before the subject. All I have to test with here is Outlook, Outlook Express, and Mozilla Thunderbird. They all ignore RE: and FWD: when sorting by subject. They don't ignore [L

Re: Subject line

On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 16:28 -0500, Tom Meunier wrote: > I vote for per-user settings, and if that's not available I vote for > postpending it, and if that's not available I vote for "Hey, I hate them > and deal with it, so you deal with it when they're NOT there!" Choice is always best -- Mr. M

Re: Subject line

On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 16:28 -0500, Tom Meunier wrote: > I vote for per-user settings, and if that's not available I vote for > postpending it, and if that's not available I vote for "Hey, I hate them > and deal with it, so you deal with it when they're NOT there!" Choice is always best -- Mr. M

Re: Subject line

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Tom Meunier wrote: Well, if anyone cares, here's how you do it in procmail...you can use anything you want instead of $DEFAULT. Have fun. --- # this just captures the subject into a variable, strips spaces from # beginning and end. SUBJ_=`formail -xSubjec

RE: Subject line

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:14:17 -0700, "Bret Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Maybe it wouldn't make *your* life easier. But because it's visual, it > allows me to more easily discern relevance when I put more than one list > together in a mailbox. A certain subject in one list would be more > rele

RE: Subject line

--On Tuesday, September 14, 2004 1:55 PM -0700 Bret Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It makes life easier if you stuff a few related lists into a single mailbox. "Doc, it hurts when I do this." "Then stop doing that." Hierarchy is a good thing. Move the lists to separate folders under a contain

RE: Subject line

--On Tuesday, September 14, 2004 2:14 PM -0700 Bret Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I use Outlook so I don't have a lot of options for sorting like some other apps do. I coulda sworn the last time I looked at it that Outlook supported multiple folders. Does it not have the ability to recognize

Re: Bayesian Filtering/Resending from Outlook

The value of the Return-Path and the Reply-To in the messages are identical but the headers are different. Is this important? Perhaps you could just copy the messages to 'spam' and 'ham' IMAP folders, rather than resending them. I think that preserves all headers, and should be less resource int

Re: Subject line

--On Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:00 PM +0100 "Michele Neylon::Blacknight Solutions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As I already said, other lists allow people to choose. What list software (including version) do those lists use? Is this a per-subscriber option or do you mean the choice is for the

RE: Subject line

> > It makes life easier if you stuff a few related lists into a single > > mailbox. > > "Doc, it hurts when I do this." > > "Then stop doing that." > > Hierarchy is a good thing. Move the lists to separate folders under a > container folder. I'm filing this list to > mail/Lists/Mail/SpamAssassin.

Re: Subject line

--On Tuesday, September 14, 2004 5:05 PM -0400 "Dan Mahoney, System Admin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Because I read mail from a common inbox. Everything is there, on one screen, for me to check and read as it comes in, without having to folder-jump (my mailer, btw, is pine). Things of low rele

RE: Subject line

--On Tuesday, September 14, 2004 2:57 PM -0700 Bret Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Which then means I have to keep track of a dozen folders, which is something I don't need to do for the very few messages on this list that are even remotely relevant. How do you determine relevance? When I open

Re Subject line

--On Tuesday, September 14, 2004 16:26:54 -0400 Jim Maul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Quoting Jeff Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I certainly agree with a simple [SA} prefix so that the SA emails don't get lost and deleted with all the other stuff I get. However, this came up a few months ago and the SA

Re: Subject line

--On Tuesday, September 14, 2004 5:09 PM -0400 Jim Maul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If someone replies to a message i sent to the list, and they happen to hit "reply-all" both the list and i will get a copy. Filtering on listid will send 1 to the list box i have set up and 1 copy to my inbox. Fi

Re: Subject line

On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 14:53 -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote: > --On Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:00 PM +0100 "Michele Neylon::Blacknight > Solutions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > As I already said, other lists allow people to choose. > > What list software (including version) do those lists us

Re: Subject line

On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 14:53 -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote: > --On Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:00 PM +0100 "Michele Neylon::Blacknight > Solutions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > As I already said, other lists allow people to choose. > > What list software (including version) do those lists us

Re: Re Subject line

--On Tuesday, September 14, 2004 3:06 PM -0700 Pat Lashley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It can be a problem for people with limited display space for the Subject: line. The significant part can be pushed right off the edge. I suspect a lot of people don't recognize this issue because we've all be

Re: Subject line

At 05:00 PM 9/14/2004, Michele Neylon::Blacknight Solutions wrote: I don't always use evolution and even if I did I would still prefer something in the subject line As I already said, other lists allow people to choose. The Apache list allows you to choose.. You can choose to implement it in proc

RE: Subject line

> > Which then means I have to keep track of a dozen folders, which is > > something I don't need to do for the very few messages on > this list that > > are even remotely relevant. > > How do you determine relevance? When I open my SA Users folder in the > morning, it typically has a 100 messages

Re: [sa-list] RE: Subject line

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Bret Miller wrote: Anyway, I didn't ask for the subject tag. Was merely answering a question of how it would help someone. Again, it's obvious to me that there are way to many people against it here to even bother. You might as well try to convince Mac users that PCs are better

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