ble ones, but
they don't result in many false positive *final scores* for most people.
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icted open DNS
> server that returns to the client, in response to a query, the IP address of
> the DNS host from where the query originated. Sort of like the old,
> never-used, TCP Echo service.
>
> Of course, the devil is in the details. But I like your thinking Matus :)
> My mind is about as sharp as a cooked linguine noodle. I'm sure there are a
> lot of people out there that can conjure up better solutions.
As I said in a previous message: patches are welcomed.
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Bill Cole
is rumored to have said:
> On 2024-09-24 at 04:18:06 UTC-0400 (Tue, 24 Sep 2024 10:18:06 +0200)
> Matthias Leisi
> is rumored to have said:
> (Quoting me)
>>>
>>> people who don'
obvious error.
>
> Tom
>
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 10:16 AM Peter Ajamian
> wrote:
>
>> On 24/09/24 05:02, Bill Cole wrote:
>>> Note
>>> that as of 2024-03-01 (as documented at the DNSWL link above) they have
>>> reduced the free limit to 10
stently go above the
>>> limits, sometimes for months and years after receiving the blocked response.
>
> On 24.09.24 09:13, Bill Cole wrote:
>> I don't see how that's significant. The documented policy is directly and
>> intentionally harmful to users.
>
>
functioning MTA to accept external mail, SA strives to NOT enable
dangerous 3rd-party tools by default.
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s. This is
partly because we are considerate of the fact that we have users who
build on top of the mostly-stable default rules. It is also because we
are all volunteers, with lives and jobs that generally take priority
over making SA better.
Regards,G
____
From:
you want to use DNSWL is very much a local choice. At 10k
queries/month, MOST sites will need to either register (and likely pay
DNSWL) or leave the rules disabled.
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more information.
RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to
Validity was blocked. See
https://knowledge.validity.com/hc/en-us/articles/20961730681243 for
more information.
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scored rules and sub-rules and
multiple shared reputation tests. A single test (such as Bayes) being
wrong is not a flaw, it is an inescapable attribute of SA's design.
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ndicates that you are
running an obsolete 3.4.x version.
The likely root cause there is the lack of any reply from the Pyzor server,
which is unlikely to be a per-user
condition.
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Benny Pedersen
is rumored to have said:
Bill Cole skrev den 2024-09-13 15:03:
Please send any replies to the list only.
unsubscribe listarchivers ?
and make archived on apache.org with bugzilla login
don't know
9-13 at 05:00:17 UTC-0400 (Fri, 13 Sep 2024 09:00:17 +)
Grega
is rumored to have said:
Do you have V3 or V4 SA?
From: Reindl Harald (privat)
Sent: Friday, 13 September 2024 10:57
To: Grega; Bill Cole; Grega via users
Subject: Re: Bayes in V4 compared to V3
d lack adequate ham and
spam counts, you get no BAYES hits. Also, if you have any rules set to
"shortcircuit" they can cause SA to stop checking before Bayes is done.
I *think* I've also seen Bayes skip on excess load, with too much lock
contention on a file-based mechanism like
lives and
of history.
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itten by systems you don't control or have some sort
of explicit relaying arrangement with. Because the initial submission of
messages CANNOT be subjected to SPF tests, you don't want to test
transactions that are not following an MX record.
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reject it
entirely.
Thanks,
Kirk
Remove FEATURE(always_add_domain) from your .mc and remake sendmail.cf.
Consult the Ops guide and/or cf/README for all of the effects of that.
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?
ask on amavis maillist
are spamassassin using extractext ?
asking to be sure
That is NOT a SpamAssassin message, as SA does nothing so silly. It is
clearly and strictly an Amavis issue.
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those keys belong to someone else.
I cannot recall now, why I set owner
to spamd. maybe spamd could not read the gpg keys when trying an
update
before?
Why would a program run as root need that?
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, Simon, quote the text you are replying to.
I have been - was that directed at Benny?
No, it is because your mail is multipart/alternative with a text/plain
part that lacks any indicators of quoting. Looks like your MUA is
broken.
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m for feeding FPs into both a sitewide Bayes DB and into the
AWL/TxRep DB by using the blocklist/welcomelist options of the
spamassassin script.
On 6/25/2024 11:21 AM, Bill Cole wrote:
Mark London
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I received a spam email with the text below, that wasn't
o way to
remove any particular ingested data. There's no way to know where any
particular LLM will have problems and no way to fix those problems. This
all puts them outside of the boundaries we have as an ASF project.
However, we do have a plugin architecture, so it is possible for 3rd
parties
Message-ID
> bayes_ignore_header Resent-Subject
> bayes_ignore_header Resent-To
>
> I think that first line looks problematic.
I agree. The spurious # would generate precisely the error message you got.
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do with
permissions or ownership. There's an error in local.cf.
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age should have a link for INSTALL like it already has
for the Upgrade.
And I would say "Where to download" and "How to install" are pretty
common FAQs, too.
Indeed.
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nt(11) NOT NULL DEFAULT 0,
`atime` int(11) NOT NULL DEFAULT 0,
PRIMARY KEY (`id`,`token`),
KEY `bayes_token_idx1` (`id`,`atime`)
) ENGINE=InnoDB DEFAULT CHARSET=latin1 COLLATE=latin1_swedish_ci
1 row in set (0.000 sec)
Any idea what goes wrong here?
Thanks,
Gerald
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another.
However, I can see in the journal that every mail is checked against
blocklists, may be not completly? This difference is now irritating
me.
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through the current files in the
repo: https://svn.apache.org/viewvc/spamassassin/trunk/rules/ and
https://svn.apache.org/viewvc/spamassassin/trunk/rulesrc/sandbox/
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On 2024-06-08 at 15:35:01 UTC-0400 (Sat, 08 Jun 2024 21:35:01 +0200)
Benny Pedersen
is rumored to have said:
> Bill Cole skrev den 2024-06-08 20:45:
>
>> I've chosen #3 for myself, but it's not great.
>
> is why cpanel provided a perl pyzor client ?
I had forgotten
k with Python 3.
3. Install the head of the development tree from GitHub, whatever that happens
to be at the moment.
I've chosen #3 for myself, but it's not great.
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amasssassin.org
rules channel earlier this week. Scanning the latest deployed (by sa-update)
version r1918114 I see no surviving references to SORBS.
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iently. This is especially true if you use rulesets from that era,
which have known (and fixed in trunk) runaway problems and obsolete DNSBL
configs.
There may also be a problem running sa-update from 3.4.4 because we have
abandoned SHA1 signatures. I'm not sure if 3.4.4 included the changes
BIMI should be broken now and with every opportunity
available. It is an indicator that a MUA author puts the interests of
marketers ahead of the interests of users.
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It is irrelevant to an operational deployment.
I have no idea why Debian installs that file at all.
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SA updates include the active rules list in the form of the 72.active.cf
file. The active.list file is not part of normal operations.
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On 2024-05-30 at 03:58:18 UTC-0400 (Thu, 30 May 2024 16:58:18 +0900)
Tomohiro Hosaka
is rumored to have said:
> Hello.
>
> The code seems to be wrong.
I do not believe that to be so. See lines 340-347 in TxRep.pm.
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l pending DNS queries were complete and before the fixed
timeout deadline was reached. The most common cause is a DNS-based rule
configured to shortcircuit while other queries are outstanding.
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in one rule and
use it in another. I don't have a working rule for you, but that's the
mechanism I would use.
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have all common meta-characters escaped.
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expensive to execute perl and have it load the
many SpamAssassin modules needed to learn a message.
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e = CONCAT('%',_DOMAIN_) ORDER BY username ASC
Is there a bug when parsing the preferences from sql?
It's not really a parsing error, it's a configuration error. You cannot
set "use_pyzor" or "use_razor" in user preferences, as they are both
res
It shouldn't be assuming there's a TLD after it.
I agree. That's a step too far. The days when appending .com was a
reasonable tactic for qualifying hostnames are long gone.
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ncompetent system
administration, not bad code or distribution config.
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more active site-specific rule management (and FP avoidance) than most
systems ever receive.
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On 2024-05-10 at 14:15:56 UTC-0400 (Fri, 10 May 2024 14:15:56 -0400)
Bill Cole
is rumored to have said:
> On 2024-05-09 at 18:19:14 UTC-0400 (Thu, 9 May 2024 15:19:14 -0700)
> jdow
> is rumored to have said:
>
>> On 20240509 15:05:46, Thomas Barth wrote:
>>> Am 2024
enough performers to get included in
the daily active list will still be pulled into the active list with a trivial
score if derivative meta rules which are good enough for real scores depend on
them.
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other meta rules that have more significant scores, but are not significantly
spam or ham signs on their own.
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ell enough to in the active list.
If your system generated that hit, it is one of your own local rules. If it
came from elsewhere, ask them.
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sparent forwarding to adopt SRS or any other mechanisms to avoid SPF
breakage to ever change. There is no ROI in trying to fix such cases
individually but users still want their college email addresses to work decades
after graduating and some colleges have pandered to them. So have some
professional
ine changes and redo the pre-check prep. It may be
relevant what you have set report_type to in your local config.
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On 2024-05-09 at 08:37:06 UTC-0400 (Thu, 09 May 2024 14:37:06 +0200)
Benny Pedersen
is rumored to have said:
Bill Cole skrev den 2024-05-09 14:22:
In fact, I can't think of any whitelist test that should pass if SPF
fails.
If you operate on the theory that a SPF failure is always a si
ive to make SA stop processing
later rules if a specific rule hits. This will also skip any other
'late' checks, so you have to set priorities with care to avoid
shortcircuiting rules that you want checked. Consult the docs for
details.
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ge which matches BOUNCE_MESSAGE (and hence also ANY_BOUNCE_MESSAGE) is
fairly unlikely to be spam, but we have pegged the scores for all the
*BOUNCE_MESSAGE rules at 0.1 just to make sure that they are always published
and visible as control points that can be used by sites that have a particular
need to accept (or shun) some or all bounces.
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I believe we are in solid agreement, a few notes below explaining how...
On 2024-04-14 at 08:00:19 UTC-0400 (Sun, 14 Apr 2024 08:00:19 -0400)
Greg Troxel
is rumored to have said:
> Bill Cole writes:
>
>> On 2024-04-12 at 18:56:15 UTC-0400 (Fri, 12 Apr 2024 18:56:15 -0400)
&g
you pull the "spammer" trigger. YMMV and YAMV (Attitude).
FWIW, we can't maintain SA to accommodate the obstinacy of gated BITNET
LISTSERV nodes in '89. The only reasons for unsub difficulties in 2024 are
technical failures and spammer excuses. Modern SpamAssassin is only suppo
how the default welcomelist has lost alignment with its
origins. The original was a tactical mitigation against heavy phishing in a
largely unauthenticated-sender world, deployed in part to forestall extreme
responses to the problem of everyone claiming to send Paypal notifications to
everyone.
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On 2024-04-12 at 18:56:15 UTC-0400 (Fri, 12 Apr 2024 18:56:15 -0400)
Greg Troxel
is rumored to have said:
> I see it very slightly differently, but mostly agree
>
> Bill Cole writes:
>
>> 1. We serve our users: receivers, not senders. Senders claiming FPs
>> need the su
so that everyone uses the same
AWL DB, you could do this if you have a directory full of fresh spam
whose senders you want to shun:
cd $spamdirectory
spamassassin --add-to-blocklist *
And if you have a bunch of mail you value in a directory, use "-W"
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RuleQA testing of sender-specific rules
before being added to the default welcomelist.
As with everything SpamAssassin: input from users and other contributors is
eagerly desired...,
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for inclusion have never been promulgated and
accepted by the PMC or the user community.
More to follow in a separate thread.
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ang' have appropriate
configs?
> Both sa0 & sa1 run the same spamassassin/spamd configurations, neither of
> them add the X-Spam-ASN headers. All other add_header entries work fine.
Validate that configs on both machines match. In this sort of setup, only the
SA config on the spamd hosts of the user spamd is run as makes any difference.
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e debug channel for config and etermine which config files are
actually being used by spamd and by spamassassin. (spamc knows nothing of SA
configs...)
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t messages instead of complex
multipart/alternative messages with HTML or (WORSE) pure HMTL. Modern
MUAs recognize URLs in plaintext and for basic confirmations like this,
you should keep the message as simple, clear, and unadorned as possible.
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g the port spamd uses for testing. That is rare because it
selects an unused high port on the loopback interface for the test run,
but if you have a very tight network security policy in place, that can
fail. SELinux and AppArmor can also interfere.
Thanks Tuc
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 10:46 AM
amd, the facility is set with the "-s" option, as
documented in the man page.
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in database = 0 0 non-token data: nspam at
t/spamd_client.t line 186.
# Failed test at t/SATest.pm line 926.
t/spamd_client.t .. 52/52 # Looks like you failed 14
tests
of 52.
t/spamd_client.t .. Dubious, test returned 14 (wstat
3584,
0xe00)
Failed 14/52 subtes
On 2024-03-21 at 13:21:54 UTC-0400 (Thu, 21 Mar 2024 18:21:54 +0100)
is rumored to have said:
> On 3/20/24 21:58, Bill Cole wrote:
>> I'm not sure how I've not noticed before, but unless I'm missing something,
>> there is no way to replicate the [block,welco
On 2024-03-21 at 12:08:48 UTC-0400 (Thu, 21 Mar 2024 17:08:48 +0100)
Matus UHLAR - fantomas
is rumored to have said:
On 20.03.24 16:58, Bill Cole wrote:
I'm not sure how I've not noticed before, but unless I'm missing
something, there is no way to replicate the [blo
On 2024-03-21 at 11:57:43 UTC-0400 (Thu, 21 Mar 2024 11:57:43 -0400)
Kris Deugau
is rumored to have said:
Bill Cole wrote:
I'm not sure how I've not noticed before, but unless I'm missing
something, there is no way to replicate the [block,welcome]list
functionalities of t
e have any rationale for this missing functionality?
I don't expect that it would be difficult to add. (Something I've
believed every time I've taken on a coding task...)
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ucture breech.
>>
>> Curiously, NOBODY has received any breach notifications from Microsoft,
>> despite personal information being compromised.
>>
>> What has anyone else experienced?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -- Jared Hall
>>
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look at solving your real problem.
All set then. SA is not the right tool for you. Try something like Exim,
MailMunge, or MIMEDefang that let you write arbitrary code for the
mail-handling flow. I suppose you may be able do it in sendmail.cf too,
if you're into self-torture.
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e tactic
that proved its utter uselessness in the '90s.
Aside from the fact that this would do active damage to the
comprehensibility of some perfectly legitimate messages, it would
invalidate any sort of authenticating signature (DKIM, PGP, S/MIME,
whatever)
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em to have dns_available set to 'no'
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15:31, Bill Cole wrote:
If spammers can 'abuse' ALL_TRUSTED you have a major problem. Either
a serious misconfiguration or compromised machines in
trusted_networks.
Can't ALL_TRUSTED happen if spammer delivers mail directly to my
network,
or, if last mail server removes Receive
sed machines in trusted_networks.
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tive rules. There are non-obvious
fingerprints in some spam that imply decades-long spamming operations.
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ng on the fricken
machine
in the fricken first place.
I am not going to run cpan with force because that may hide *real*
errors.
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g independently based on a TLD is not so big.
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am puzzled by this.
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ing service because it is forwarding
spam. If users POP their mail instead of having it forwarded via SMTP,
that does not happen.
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nder how often that happens? I'm always interested in
anonymous auth (either 'auth')
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: HybridOnPrem
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CO6PR20MB3698
And there's that correlating nonce again...
I don't know if any of those thoughts wi
tupidity is non-critical.
In my experience it has been workable to just reject mail with .xls and
.xlsx attachments by default at any Internet-facing MX. 20+ years of
warnings about how reckless it is to share MS documents ought to suffice
for anyone.
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e Bayes DB with proper training.
*IN THEORY* one could fix a corrupted DB by 'unlearning' messages which
learned incorrectly, but as a practical matter that's usually a fantasy.
Most of the scanning and DB details that you included are not useful.
You cannot fix the bad DB, you n
back to 5/12 and it's back to 200 ~ 5000 ms.
Note: I also have some personal rules.
Am I the only one seeing this?
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re three levels of To-welcomelisting, "welcomelist_to",
"more_spam_to" and "all_spam_to". Users in the first level may
still
get some spammish mails blocked, but users in "all_spam_to"
should
never get mail blocked.
Th
Internet, while it uses its own proprietary formats internally.
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ng and its cousin MailMunge both use a unique
working directory for each message, and it is trivial to just replicate
that whole structure elsewhere for safekeeping.
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anyone else had to deal with this bullocks and gotten it resolved?
Yes. Twice.
Time is your friend. AT&T still operates like it's 1970...
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it should be doing,
>> except that it gives back 0 instead of 5 or 6.
>>
> It seems to be a documentation bug, see
> https://bz.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=6069 and
> https://bz.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=1201#c47
>
Documentation fixed
e Engineer
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/cecilwesterhof
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for asking
this is the log entry, just forget about it.
'man spamd' provides more info.
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really need it, you'd need to create it yourself.
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bution. Consult
the author of 'w7_whitelist.cf' for support of whatever configuration it
includes.
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*
Sending60_welcomelist_auth.cf
Transmitting file data .done
Committing transaction...
Committed revision 1912923.
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l.com
def_whitelist_auth *@*.subaru.com
def_whitelist_auth *@*.aexp.com
-def_whitelist_auth *@*.usssa.com
def_whitelist_auth *@*.bestwesternrewards.com
def_whitelist_auth *@*.email-weightwatchers.com
def_whitelist_auth *@*.email-allstate.com
On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 8:48 AM Bill Cole
wrote:
On
re that we
aren't open to being used for mischief and can justify the removal later
if asked to. The bar for removal is very low (being listed is a
privilege, not a right) but it can't be simply 'someone said...'
On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 9:25 PM Bill Cole
wrote:
On 2
60_welcomelist_auth.cf with def_welcomelist_auth/def_whitelist_auth
entries with *@*.usssa.com.
If anyone has a shareable sample spam to substantiate this, that would
be helpful.
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and that would avoid the
housekeeping issues of how to integrate a 'preprocessor' with your
existing MTA and whatever yopu're using as 'glue' for SA.
(content_filter script, spamass-milter, MIMEDefang, etc.)
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ch
one match, autolearn it as spam, and (hopefully) recognize its sibling
messages as such.
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