Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-05 Thread Nick Heudecker
iles). I was so frustrated about this > situation, > that I uninstall this plugin and I resign from using it in development. > Thanks about info, I will try this plugin again. > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://apache-wicket.1842946.n4.nabble.com/Wicket-job-mar

Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-05 Thread Nick Heudecker
g infrastructure around it that > help developers to create webapplications. > > Maybe it's time to build site like "wicket repository" where user can > publish and search information about created by other users plugins? > > > > -- > View this mes

Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-05 Thread Martin Grigorov
wicketstuff/core Why do you need something else ? Who will maintain several repositories ? This will just confuse all new developers. Pick an issue from https://github.com/wicketstuff/core/issues?direction=desc&sort=created&state=open and make your contribution to the community. > >

Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-05 Thread Andrea Del Bene
I would add modules TinyMCE, Google Maps and jqPlot. An example of integration with Facebook could be "cool" as well :) The list at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WICKET/Ideas+for+Wicket+7.0 is just ideas as stated at the top. Probably we should create tickets in Jira so people can v

Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-05 Thread Martin Grigorov
The list at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WICKET/Ideas+for+Wicket+7.0 is just ideas as stated at the top. Probably we should create tickets in Jira so people can vote for them. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Andrea Del Bene wrote: > Reading the mails sent so far, I think Wicket s

Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-05 Thread manuelbarzi
> Reading the mails sent so far, I think Wicket should improve two aspects: > > -Its "promotion" > -Support for stateless usage. > > The second point has already been indicated as a target for Wicket 7. The > "promotion" stuff is probably the most challenging because many of Wicket > supporters has

Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-05 Thread Andrea Del Bene
Reading the mails sent so far, I think Wicket should improve two aspects: -Its "promotion" -Support for stateless usage. The second point has already been indicated as a target for Wicket 7. The "promotion" stuff is probably the most challenging because many of Wicket supporters has technical

Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-05 Thread Bernard
I think it would be exhausting and possibly risky to rely on the appeal of the Wicket site. This appeal can already be provided by third party sites that use Wicket. A developer can then choose to show management a selection of sites that are relevant in context. What drives adoption rate is devel

Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-05 Thread manuelbarzi
> I think the problem is that most good software engineers see 'beauty' in > the elegant component based, object oriented architecture of Wicket - we > can all go "oooh" and "h" just thinking about how truly beautiful > Wicket has been 'engineered'. > > We see beauty beyond the external present

Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-05 Thread Martin Grigorov
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Francois Meillet < francois.meil...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks Philippe for raising this issue > > Maybe it's time to take a step back to better analyse the situation and > where we want to go. > Because we don't want to be the only ones using the best framework. >

Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-05 Thread Francois Meillet
Thanks Philippe for raising this issue Maybe it's time to take a step back to better analyse the situation and where we want to go. Because we don't want to be the only ones using the best framework. What need to be done ? If we promote Wicket right now, we will end up with a big failure. In m

RE: Wicket job market

2013-02-05 Thread Chris Colman
>your loosing the focus pretended to be justify before: "marketing", >not tech. and many people "first see", later "think" :) I think the problem is that most good software engineers see 'beauty' in the elegant component based, object oriented architecture of Wicket - we can all go "oooh" and "aaa

Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-05 Thread manuelbarzi
> If someone feels good enough in web design - HTML+CSS, video making, > everything that will make the site more attractive for both technical and > non-technical people: > > the new site (unfinished) is at https://github.com/dashorst/wicket-site > the current site is at: > https://svn.apache.org/r

Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-05 Thread Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro
Hi, On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Chris Colman wrote: > >>Wicket is probably the best most of us have ever enjoyed before. but > >>let's be realistic, there's the nice paradox of "non competitive > >>presentation of this presentation framework" yet, to be sold to "not > >>enough tech skilled" p

Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-05 Thread manuelbarzi
> The one thing i would say:if you want to have a nice presentation of > vaadin,it comes out of the box,because thats a vaadin feature:nice > presentation. No other framework has it such easy:) Vaadin efficiently speaks the language of emotions. > So lets start a competition... Nice ;) but, i

Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-05 Thread Martin Grigorov
If someone feels good enough in web design - HTML+CSS, video making, everything that will make the site more attractive for both technical and non-technical people: the new site (unfinished) is at https://github.com/dashorst/wicket-site the current site is at: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/wick

RE: Wicket job market

2013-02-05 Thread Chris Colman
>>Wicket is probably the best most of us have ever enjoyed before. but >>let's be realistic, there's the nice paradox of "non competitive >>presentation of this presentation framework" yet, to be sold to "not >>enough tech skilled" people, who are decision makers. they just want >>to see "nice cine

Deployment models (was: Re: Wicket job market)

2013-02-04 Thread Emmanouil Batsis (Manos)
On 02/04/2013 02:05 PM, Philippe Demaison wrote: What needs to be improved to get a wider adoption of Wicket ? That is probably the most relevant subject IMHO. FWIW, a largely disruptive factor is a new but increasingly important business/deployment model, that of the cross-domain, embedded

Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-04 Thread Michael Mosmann
I agree with you. The one thing i would say:if you want to have a nice presentation of vaadin,it comes out of the box,because thats a vaadin feature:nice presentation. No other framework has it such easy:) So lets start a competition... Michael:) manuelbarzi schrieb: >> I think, you shoul

Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-04 Thread manuelbarzi
> I think, you should not compare wicket with vaadin. Wicket is not the right > answer for every project. Wicket does not compete with vaadin, because > wicket is a different hammer. The rise of "javascript apps" could change the > future of web development, but for such a project you should not us

RE: Wicket job market

2013-02-04 Thread Colin Rogers
bruary 2013 08:33 To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Wicket job market Am 04.02.2013 15:43, schrieb manuelbarzi: >> Play Framework, Apache Click, Stripes, Struts, JSF, Seam >> http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=%22Play+Framework%22%2C+%22Apache+C >> lick%22%2C+Stripes%2C+St

Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-04 Thread Michael Mosmann
Am 04.02.2013 15:43, schrieb manuelbarzi: Play Framework, Apache Click, Stripes, Struts, JSF, Seam http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=%22Play+Framework%22%2C+%22Apache+Click%22%2C+Stripes%2C+Struts%2C+JSF%2C+Seam What needs to be improved to get a wider adoption of Wicket ? IMO, "selling" Wicket

Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-04 Thread manuelbarzi
> toolkits such as angular, backbone etc. One of the main reason why i > started using wicket was my phobia for javascript. That phobia is no more. > Infact i want more and more control over the javascript on my client. Does > anyone else share the same sentiments? I am still a huge wicket fun an

Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-04 Thread Josh Kamau
Does anyone think the rise of javascript based single page thick client type of applications are eating on wickets share? When i try to sell wicket to my peers, they normally argue that they want a stateless client and a stateful rich clients. The kind of clients that you build with javascript tool

Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-04 Thread Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro
Hi, On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Tim Urberg wrote: > I wouldn't discount Apache, look at how Struts took off, and look at the > Apache HTTP server, the most widely used server on the web. Apache may not > be a "big corporation" but they are a still a big name. > > It is not my intention to d

Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-04 Thread Tim Urberg
I wouldn't discount Apache, look at how Struts took off, and look at the Apache HTTP server, the most widely used server on the web. Apache may not be a "big corporation" but they are a still a big name. On 2/4/13 7:37 AM, Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro wrote: Hi, IMHO on countries that invest he

Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-04 Thread Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro
Hi, IMHO on countries that invest heavily on R&D (new technologies) like Germany, Netherlands, UK, USA, etc Wicket market is growing... and you can find lots of Jobs posts asking for Wicket versed programmers.. See http://www.indeed.de/Jobs?q=Wicket&l= http://www.indeed.nl/Wicket-vacatures http:/

Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-04 Thread Martin Grigorov
Hi, Spring MVC is backed by VMWare. GWT by Google (or not anymore ?!) Wicket and Tapestry as Apache projects are developed by volunteers. I think what miss is the marketing and the training. I'm not sure whether there is such job search site in Germany to get some stats but the market for Wicke