>From today's LA Times:
"The Strange Web Saga of Emokid21: How an internet faker set YouTube on fire with haters, imitators and investigators"
jen
jenSimmons
http://www.jensimmons.com
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The Strange Web Saga of Emokid21
How an internet faker set YouTube on
Good points Chuck. I can understand your feelings on the matter,
but I think Orwell already had me jaded and skeptical. :)
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Olsen"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Come to think of it - if Kevin's video had a Miller Lite logo at
the
> end, it wou
Good points Chuck. I can understand your feelings on the matter,
but I think Orwell already had me jaded and skeptical. :)
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Olsen"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Come to think of it - if Kevin's video had a Miller Lite logo at
the
> end, it wou
True; that'll have to be called the car crash rubbernecking effect.
ac
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Deirdre Straughan"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On 4/25/06, Andy Carvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > That would be the Rollercoaster Effect. We ride rollercoasters because
> >
Here's the way I see it: If you're going to do a prank, do it well. Did anyone see the film "The Game"? Now that was a good prank...
I'm going to address a few things here. I'm not outraged by Kevin's prank, though perhaps it's because I suspected it was phony from the get-go. There were t
On 4/25/06, Harold Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Interesting, given that we pay for entertainment precisely to have our
> > emotions manipulated - whether we like to be scared or cry
> > sentimentally, we go to movies for that. I guess the difference is
> > that, with Hollywood, we k
On 4/25/06, Andy Carvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> That would be the Rollercoaster Effect. We ride rollercoasters because
> we want to be scared, while knowing in the back of our minds that we
> won't crash and die. This kind of fear with no physical consequences
> can be fun. Emotional shoc
On 4/25/06, Deirdre Straughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 4/25/06, Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Bottom line for me is... I dont dig it. I feel like shitty about the> whole thing. That I actually gave a shit about someone I didnt even> know wasted emotions and waste
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Stephanie Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On 4/24/06, missbhavens1969 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I said real, not truthful, factual, or non-fiction, because I think
> something like Chasing Windmills, while explicitly fictional, hits at
> truths an
Hear hear! I'm actually getting ready to launch a new education blog
for PBS and will be focusing on MySpace and censorship in my first
post. I may have to tackle Kevin's video as well, because it all comes
down to media literacy -andy
> It comes back to a point that I keep making: teach k
> Interesting, given that we pay for entertainment precisely to have our
> emotions manipulated - whether we like to be scared or cry
> sentimentally, we go to movies for that. I guess the difference is
> that, with Hollywood, we know up front that it's fake.
>
> Perhaps we're mad at Kevin bec
Perhaps we're mad at Kevin because he got a free ride on the "willingsuspension of disbelief" ?
I'm not mad at Kevin. I'm not the blog police. I'm not really mad at myself either...for believing it.I don't like being tricked in this manner, but it is the reality.sull
On 4/25/06, Deirdre Straug
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:29:08 +0200, Deirdre Straughan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 4/25/06, Halcyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> **My experience with fake death online**
>>
>> Many years ago, I encouraged a young girl (that worked for me
>> remotely at collegeclub.com) with cancer to star
On 4/25/06, Halcyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> **My experience with fake death online**
>
> Many years ago, I encouraged a young girl (that worked for me
> remotely at collegeclub.com) with cancer to start a blog.
> After she got quite a following, she eventually died.
> It turned out she neve
On 4/25/06, Jen Simmons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I find the whole situation constantly problematic -- and is one of the
> reasons I am not going to teach in this setting again. Too many
> students, not enough time to talk about these issues, deep deep
> energies circulating that are sexis
On 4/25/06, Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Bottom line for me is... I dont dig it. I feel like shitty about the
> whole thing. That I actually gave a shit about someone I didnt even
> know wasted emotions and wasted time. Art making aside fuck that.
Interesting,
I'm going to bite my tongue over the the bit about the 'assumed "contract" between the blogger and the audience', the thing about this discussion that is weirding me out is the talk of 'community', yes the people on the list consider themselves part of some specific 'videoblogging' community, bu
Here's a Blogumentary video about that fuzzy line between "online friend"
and "real friend." It's about a friend of mine who was suicidal, but
I didn't know it until she posted it on her blog:
http://www.blogumentary.org/video/crystal_big.mov
I largely agree with you btw. And, I never realiz
Tell Kevin he's got some interesting concepts, but really poor execution. Who was that, his girlfriend playing his mother in that short piece (of crap), "The Will"? Totally unconvincing..and the poor acting is distracting, to say the least. Sorry, Kev -- your work needs...work!
Harold
Some
On 4/24/06, missbhavens1969 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > There is an assumed "contract" between the blogger and the audience
> > that what's there is in some way or another real. This is especially
> > true in video, which is easy to manipulate but seems so real.
>
> Contract? What assumed co
I have doubts about the authenticity of this piece but, FWIW, vlogging
can be part of mourning - it was for me, very recently:
http://www.beginningwithi.com/aboutme/rosiefuneral.html
On 4/24/06, Josh Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I woudl think that it would take more time for a close
> fr
Didn't Nathan Peters eventually really loose his kids? I know he did
loose one. And he turned his site into a all-video-porn site --
teasters for free, pay to get more. It definitely seemed like the
'staged' events were blurred with real ones, and that his life was
deteriorating into a mess,
Nathan Peters' videoblog was faked to a point, but then actual legal
trouble struck him. At some point, the lines between what was really
going on and what was staged got very much blurred. Now his site is
not online... I don't know what the resolution was.
Josh
On Apr 24, 2006, at 7:26
anybody remember "nathan peters' experiment" last year?hold up... that was fake?jesus christ! i'm pretty on top of this list and i dont recall this.i saw the video and knew the drama in nathans life, but the only thing i recalled him doing that was fake was some of the videos where he was li
i've never felt older ;-)On 4/24/06, David Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I do agree with you there. This has been done before time and timeagain. On BBS's, newsgroups, IRC, forums...etc. Maybe that's thereason I thought it was fake? Who knows?Maybe I am looking for more intellectual "art" to
Was Kaycee the one a mother invented based using pictures of her daughter?It went on for awhile and she decided to end the hoax by killing off her made up online character. and I had some friends that supported *her* and were very much disturbed when they found out she never existed. Some
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Stephanie Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
waitaminutewaitaminutewaitaminute! Wait. A. Minute.
> There is an assumed "contract" between the blogger and the audience
> that what's there is in some way or another real. This is especially
> true in video,
> I emailed him the URL to the yahoo webpage with the threat
I meant "thread" -- (what threat would that have been -- no no no)
j
YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I emailed him the URL to the yahoo webpage with the threat. He'll have
to subscribe to respond. I'd like him to join in, for sure -- we'll
see. Since it's the last week of school he may be way too busy to do
anything outside of schoolwork.
Any comments to on his blog will for sure get to him
Perhaps the reason that more aren't simply outraged on the list is due
mostly to the fact that there is no emotional tie to Kevin.
Those of us that have exposed a great deal of ourselves online during
times of grief and mourning appreciate the risk involved as well as
the surprising benefits.
On Apr 24, 2006, at 8:16 PM, Anne Walk wrote:
> i'd like to ask you, jen, if you had seen the video online and did not
> see the student afterwards, as expected...if he had carried out the
> experiment more fully and left you and the school in the dark about it
> (perhaps even had relatives
Has Kevin been reading this thread? Is he willing to join in on the
discussion? That might be a learning opportunity, too.
Stan Hirson
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jen Simmons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Thinking about all this driving home, I remembered that one of my
> strate
I feel a bit weird commenting on this since I did not get to see the
video in question until after I had read it was not
true...Looking at it after the fact I have no emotional response
to the video itself...
BUT I do to the overall idea of it..I thought it was done in
poor tast
I do agree with you there. This has been done before time and time
again. On BBS's, newsgroups, IRC, forums...etc. Maybe that's the
reason I thought it was fake? Who knows?
Maybe I am looking for more intellectual "art" to stir an emotion in me.
We're old Sull...ohsoold *chuckle*
Davi
It made it's point.
it sure did. and that aside ;-) 'fuck that' is my point ;-)
i hear ya. like steph said it's old. i'm over it though.
sull
On 4/24/06, David Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I dont know? I watched it and (of course it's wasy to say this now) Ifelt it was a fake.
anybody remember "nathan peters' experiment" last year?one of the vloggers in the group staged a vlog of his children being taken away (i'm still not even clear on what happened after that episode!) when it was discovered to be an "experiment", people were understandably upset.
this time around,
Jen, thank you for chiming in NOW and not letting the "fascinating"
discussion go on.
We've had this conversation on this list before, last year when a
vlogger faked having his kids taken away for something in his vlog.
Now, as then, and as with every other fake emotional manipulation in
the bl
On Apr 24, 2006, at 7:30 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote:
> Since I sold my house a few weeks ago, I have been living with my
> in-laws until new house is ready for us. and they are very
> catholic and they love and watch every one of those shows!!
Why do you think they love them? What's
On Apr 24, 2006, at 7:34 PM, xicastmedia wrote:
> Jen, would you mind commenting on what the assignment was and how Mr.
> Krutz' video tied into that?
The assignment was given back in January -- make a videoblog, and post
weekly for ten weeks (or more). They could make their vlog about
any
On Apr 24, 2006, at 7:05 PM, Andy Carvin wrote:
> Meanwhile, given the fact that you're very uncomfortable with the
> constant violence on commercial tv, how do you react to Kevin's videos
> that show such violence towards women? (The eye-gouging piece and the
> Cronenbergesque surgeon epis
I have to agree with Jen on this. While I was personally disturbed by
the movie (I have seen far too many video and still photo memorials of
people I've known and loved) the groups' reaction is quite telling
about the impact that video over the Internet is capable of.
Its also a reminder to al
first to address this comment about the amount of glorified death on NBC etc :)
Why aren't the christians outraged about that??
Since I sold my house a few weeks ago, I have been living with my in-laws until new house is ready for us. and they are very catholic and they love and watch
Come to think of it - if Kevin's video had a Miller Lite logo at the
end, it would be genius. :-)
I remember camping out in the backyard in high school with my friends.
We brought out the cordless phone (yeah, high tech!) and made some
prank phone calls.
When it was my turn, I pretended I was
I understand what you mean Jen ... Part of me finds the reaction we all had/have fascinating too. The full range of the social impact of vlogging is still kinda new after all.However, like Chuck, another part of me is irritated by the whole thing (and the more I think about it the more so I bec
Just for kicks, I posted the video to digg to see how people would
react. Kinda quiet so far - around a dozen diggs. Will be interesting
to see what happens if it picks up.
http://digg.com/technology/The_Death_of_a_Video_Blogger_
Meanwhile, given the fact that you're very uncomfortable with th
Well for one I have to disagree that this is "worse" than the insidious
creeping take-over of the vlogosphere imagination by corporate or
corporate-copy-cat consumption-oriented / advertisy /
product-placementy / slick-is-better /
we-all-want-to-be-like-the-media-on-tv trends. I find that WA
Wow... I went through a full spectrum of emotions.
I was emotionally drained by the end of the video. I watched the
complete video with a dropped jaw and lump in my throat.
It wasn't until I started reading hear that I felt angered at being
decieved and to have allowed myself the opportunity to
You find it fascinating - why? I find it tiresome and irresponsible.
God, I must be getting old. I used to appreciate a good arty blog prank.
The problem is this: Rather than using vlogs to enrich the human
experience, and expand our exposure to the range of human experiences,
pranks like this
I'm wondering whether to chime in now, or wait and watch this discussion go for a while more. I find it fascinating.
Kevin is fine and well. Probably tired and overwhelmed since it's the end of the semester, but he's otherwise perfectly fine. I just saw him this afternoon in class.
I don't know
still waiting for Jen Simmons to chime in, as she apparently taught him how to vlog.On 4/24/06, Andy Carvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
, Josh Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> This is interesting, given that there is a video that revolvesaround a> funeral onl
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> This is interesting, given that there is a video that revolves
around a
> funeral only weeks before this video, I am not disinclined to think
> that this is a joke. At the same time, it is possible that the video
On 4/24/06, Josh Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I do however wonder how the friend got all the login information for blip,
> blogger etc.
Open blogger and related sites. Request new password to be emailed.
Open friend's computer and launch email client. Get passwords.
> I know that i have au
if it is a hoax, you can see that they did a nice job not using the embed this video thing on this particular video. I do however wonder how the friend got all the login information for blip, blogger etc. I know that i have autologin on my computer so maybe that is a possibility. But I don't kno
This is interesting, given that there is a video that revolves around a
funeral only weeks before this video, I am not disinclined to think
that this is a joke. At the same time, it is possible that the video is
real, and assuming that it may, perhaps, be a joke is probably
insensitive t
For what it's worth, I decided to blog it.
http://www.andycarvin.com/archives/2006/04/the_death_of_a_video.html
I raise the possibility that the video is a hoax, but leave it for the
viewer to make up their own mind.
ac
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Carvin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Yeah, me too. And his videos are macabre to say the least. Two of the
ones I've seen so far involve mutilating women. One features a
demented plastic surgeon ruining the face of a model, whose
disfigurement soon becomes a fashion craze. In the other, a man
attacks a woman at a bar, beats her wit
i noticedOn 4/24/06, duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
this is the note on the sidebar... "Video is a place where all the horror and atrocities you ever dreamed of can be accomplished."
On 4/24/06,
Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Noticed that Jen simmons had him as a student
this is the note on the sidebar... "Video is a place where all the horror and atrocities you ever dreamed of can be accomplished."On 4/24/06,
Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Noticed that Jen simmons had him as a student, so I asked her if she had any information to provide about
Noticed that Jen simmons had him as a student, so I asked her if she had any information to provide about this video. Is it real or an experiment? On 4/24/06,
Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
just noticed this addition to vlogdir. thought i would share it here as the intention
Jesus I'm just stunned. Was it alcohol poisoning, an overdose or
something?
andy
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Sullivan"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> just noticed this addition to vlogdir.
> thought i would share it here as the intention seems to be to spread
> this
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