[Vo]:Video: validation of New Energy Source from nickel -hydrogen reaction by Rowan University in 2008.

2011-10-29 Thread David ledin
Validation of New Energy Source from nickel -hydrogen reaction by Rowan University in 2008. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfjOIoPwolg

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:500kW generator was also running during the 5 hours!‏

2011-10-29 Thread Daniel Rocha
Maybe the generator was just idle, this is why it wasn`t making too much noise. One of these days, I went near the electric generator of my office`s new building and it was extremely noisy when it was on full power. Most of the time it is inaudible... 2011/10/30 ecat builder > That the E-Cat ope

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:500kW generator was also running during the 5 hours!‏

2011-10-29 Thread ecat builder
That the E-Cat operates without much noise is good news, and expected considering only a muffled boiling noise is expected. Maybe they took a sound reading from inside the reactor using a noise canceling mic and/or closed the container doors. Maybe it was just an educated guess of little importance

Re: [Vo]: Is the ECAT out of the bag?

2011-10-29 Thread David Roberson
Thanks Robin, I took a look at that link and see that such a battery does in fact exist. I may have used a term that is not common in the industry when I referred to beta + decay as just beta decay, but I think most people understood what I intended. My reference was the Wikipedia article on

Re: [Vo]: Is the ECAT out of the bag?

2011-10-29 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Sat, 29 Oct 2011 12:10:37 -0400 (EDT): Hi David, [snip] I suggest you take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betavoltaics Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Rides into Sunset : answered a few questions from the saddle

2011-10-29 Thread Alan Fletcher
James Bowery October 29th, 2011 at 11:40 AM What was the pressure at the output thermocouple? Why the electric power generator (genset) has not been turned off during the self sustained mode? Andrea Rossi October 29th, 2011 at 11:46 AM Dear James Bowery: max 20 mm in water column was the pres

[Vo]:Rossi Rides into Sunset

2011-10-29 Thread Terry Blanton
Andrea Rossi October 29th, 2011 at 12:07 PM Dear Devis, Of course I will remember always all the friends who have encouraged the efforts of my team and mine. I thank all with all my heart, and this is dedicated also to all the Friends who have sent all these comments, so heart warming, to which I c

Re: [Vo]:"- no blank run without hydrogen to test the instruments and heat losses": Mary Yugo: Rich Murray 2011.10.29

2011-10-29 Thread Rich Murray
Hi Steven Vincent Johnson, Yes, I use "pragmatic skepticism" to define my role in my own mind, namely, common sense applied to details that can be comprehended by a scientific layman, which since December, 1996 has been a successful strategy for finding flaws in CF research -- "pathological skepti

Re: [Vo]:"- no blank run without hydrogen to test the instruments and heat losses": Mary Yugo: Rich Murray 2011.10.29

2011-10-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Regarding the title of this thread, it is ridiculous. HVAC engineers do not do "blank runs" when they certify 1 MW boiler performance. That's not how they work. As I said, that is like expecting a bridge inspector to construct another bridge next to the one he is inspecting, in order to compare the

RE: [Vo]:Amazon Alien Filmed?

2011-10-29 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Terry sez: > And now for something entirely different: > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/22/alien-video-claims-to-be- > _n_1025849.html > > Whadya think? Grey pumpkin? Yup! Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

[Vo]:Amazon Alien Filmed?

2011-10-29 Thread Terry Blanton
And now for something entirely different: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/22/alien-video-claims-to-be-_n_1025849.html Whadya think? Grey pumpkin? T

Re: [Vo]:Some calculations, discussion and accurate temperature graph

2011-10-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: I'm sure that registration requirements are quite different in other > countries since there is such a variance between states here. > To summarize, even if we find no trace of Fioravanti on line, he may well be a P.E. If we can track him down, that proves it is a legit tes

Re: [Vo]:Document: Tests to proof the Leonardo 1 MW reactor

2011-10-29 Thread Robert Leguillon
I was assuming RFG was the "Radio Frequency Generator" Jed Rothwell wrote: >What is an "RFG"? As in: "The reactors have been served by a RFG . . ." > >There are some minor corrections to this report coming from Rossi. I will >upload a new version later. They are: > >1. The weight of the hydrogen

Re: [Vo]:Some calculations, discussion and accurate temperature graph

2011-10-29 Thread Terry Blanton
Registration requirements are governed by the state in the US. Generally, if you are registered in one state, you can obtain comity in another by application with that state. Georgia also offers comity with other countries. I work for Atkins North America, a division of the UK firm ( atkinsglobal

RE: [Vo]:"- no blank run without hydrogen to test the instruments and heat losses": Mary Yugo: Rich Murray 2011.10.29

2011-10-29 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
>From Mr. Murray, ... > er, I'm still a pragmatic skeptic re 470 KW Rossi claim... Hello Rich, Lately, I've noticed that you have repeatedly prefaced your posts with claims that not only are you a "skeptic", but that you are a "pragmatic skeptic". I keep wondering who you really are trying to

RE: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?

2011-10-29 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
I would suggest that someone over at Rossi's blog ask Rossi for information on Domenico Fiorvanati. State the request simply and politely. Mention the fact that many sincere individuals are looking information, documentation, links... anything that would help verify the professional credentials of

Re: [Vo]:Document: Tests to proof the Leonardo 1 MW reactor

2011-10-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
What is an "RFG"? As in: "The reactors have been served by a RFG . . ." There are some minor corrections to this report coming from Rossi. I will upload a new version later. They are: 1. The weight of the hydrogen bottle is in grams, not kilograms. 2. The indicated flow rate of the pumps at the

Re: [Vo]:Some calculations, discussion and accurate temperature graph

2011-10-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen wrote: > Jed, I meant with calibration, that there was not measured the amount of > steam. Amount of steam correlates with temperature, but this correlation was > not established. Therefore we do not have any means to know, how much steam > is 104.5°C. However I take back that I t

Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?

2011-10-29 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > I never met a licensed engineer in the States. You have online. (waving) T

Re: [Vo]:ideal client -- sekrit

2011-10-29 Thread Axil Axil
I am of the contrarian opinion; for an American, this is the very best of news. If the customer is a military organization (the US Navy), the security apparatus of the associated country (the US) is now available in all its varied and potent forms both known and clandestine to protect the Rossi tec

[Vo]:Document: Tests to proof the Leonardo 1 MW reactor

2011-10-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Document downloaded from here: http://db.tt/wu4OLbgk Corrected version. A few confusing spelling errors have been corrected from the original. TESTS TO PROOF THE LEONARDO 1 MW REACTOR WORKING BY MEANS OF LOW-ENERGY NUCLEAR REACTIONS – PROTOCOL PREPARED BY THE PARTIES The test has been

Re: [Vo]:Some calculations, discussion and accurate temperature graph

2011-10-29 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Jed, I meant with calibration, that there was not measured the amount of steam. Amount of steam correlates with temperature, but this correlation was not established. Therefore we do not have any means to know, how much steam is 104.5°C. However I take back that I took back my words. I was conside

[Vo]:"- no blank run without hydrogen to test the instruments and heat losses": Mary Yugo: Rich Murray 2011.10.29

2011-10-29 Thread Rich Murray
"- no blank run without hydrogen to test the instruments and heat losses": Mary Yugo: Rich Murray 2011.10.29 er, I'm still a pragmatic skeptic re 470 KW Rossi claim... Rich Murray "- no blank run without hydrogen to test the instruments and heat losses" Other things to investigate: whether onl

Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?

2011-10-29 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-10-29 12:06 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Peter Gluck mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com>> wrote: I will make a people search for the US. He appears to be Italian. Why would he be registered in the U.S? Registered as what? I've worked as an engineer in the U.S. and I never was registered an

[Vo]:Oct 6 Heat Exchanger Secondary INPUT thermocouple placement

2011-10-29 Thread Alan Fletcher
Extract of a conversation with an anonymous source : - Original Message - > > By the way, You guys have not even begun to look at the issues with > > the thermocouple measuring the secondary input temperature. > > That error works against Rossi. > > (Hint: The connector on the end of the h

Re: [Vo]:ideal client -- sekrit

2011-10-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: > > The Customer is of a category that usually maintains secret all they do. > . . . > > A skeptic forum member elsewhere predicted those words almost verbatim. > Not hard to predict. Rossi said that before the test. It may not be true, but that is what he claimed all al

Re: [Vo]:ideal client -- sekrit

2011-10-29 Thread Robert Leguillon
I don't think the Mafia has written "non-disclosure agreements." But when things go wrong, they are known for putting out contracts Peter Heckert wrote: >Am 29.10.2011 19:55, schrieb Daniel Rocha: >> Area 51? >Cosa Nostra? >Mafia! >;-) > >> 2011/10/29 Alan Fletcher mailto:a...@well.com>> >>

Re: [Vo]:ideal client -- sekrit

2011-10-29 Thread Terry Blanton
Exxon

Re: [Vo]:ideal client -- sekrit

2011-10-29 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 29.10.2011 19:55, schrieb Daniel Rocha: Area 51? Cosa Nostra? Mafia! ;-) 2011/10/29 Alan Fletcher mailto:a...@well.com>> Rossi no-comments : Andrea Rossi October 29th, 2011 at 12:14 PM

Re: [Vo]:ideal client -- sekrit

2011-10-29 Thread Daniel Rocha
Area 51? 2011/10/29 Alan Fletcher > Rossi no-comments : > > > Andrea Rossi > October 29th, 2011 at 12:14 PM > > > > Dear Max: > The Customer is of a category that usually maintains secret all they do. I > do not know if an

Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?

2011-10-29 Thread Michele Comitini
That register is incomplete cannot be trusted. It is stated on the search page and its the truth: i put many names of registered engineers I know and no one shows. I trust my friends much more than that database. "Si precisa pertanto che il presente elenco non comprende necessariamente tutti gli

Re: [Vo]:ideal client -- sekrit

2011-10-29 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote: > Rossi no-comments : > > > Andrea Rossi > October 29th, 2011 at 12:14 PM > > > > Dear Max: > The Customer is of a category that usually maintains secret all they do. I d

Re: [Vo]:ideal client -- sekrit

2011-10-29 Thread Alan Fletcher
Rossi no-comments : Andrea Rossi October 29th, 2011 at 12:14 PM Dear Max: The Customer is of a category that usually maintains secret all they do. I do not know if and when they will want to make public statements and I

Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times..hmmmmmmmm

2011-10-29 Thread Terry Blanton
You have to check his web log: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/ T

Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times..hmmmmmmmm

2011-10-29 Thread Daniel Rocha
What do you mean? Did something change there? I see nothing different... 2011/10/29 Ron Kita > Greetings Vortex: > > I went to http://www.newenergytimes.com no insight...did some one kick > the pluggg. > Grins, > Ron Kita >

[Vo]:New Energy Times..hmmmmmmmm

2011-10-29 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex: I went to http://www.newenergytimes.com no insight...did some one kick the pluggg. Grins, Ron Kita

Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?

2011-10-29 Thread Bruno Santos
It seems that the information about registered professional italian engineers can be found here: http://www.tuttoingegnere.it/web/ITA/Registro-U/ricerca.asp_cvt.asp I do not speak italian, but I can read a little. It seems to me that not every italian engineer is registered there, it depends whet

Re: [Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.

2011-10-29 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 29.10.2011 18:25, schrieb Jed Rothwell: > I think you should not accuse people of lying. So dont do this too. And dont say it is ridiculous to think about radiation.

Re: [Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.

2011-10-29 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 29.10.2011 18:25, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Or the Italian authorities decided for some reason not to worry about gamma rays, and did not order them to put up signs. This "some reason" could be some Euros or something like that. Mafia is everywhere ;-)

Re: [Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.

2011-10-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Heckert wrote: > The truth behind might be this: Focardi /thinks/ there could be dangerous > gamma radiation under circumstances, but they never measured this and dont > know. > > If so, then he has lied all time to us. > If not so, then he has lied to the authorities to get the permission

Re: [Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.

2011-10-29 Thread Peter Heckert
In the Piantelli-Focardi experiments they had either gamma radiation or thermal energy. They did never observe both together. This is what I have read in a paper, written by Focardi himself. They can however not have had some ten watts of gamma radiation, because they are still alive. ;-) Also

[Vo]: Is the ECAT out of the bag?

2011-10-29 Thread David Roberson
I recall an old phrase attributed to Sherlock Holmes along the lines of “Once all of the probable answers have been proven wrong, then it must be the improbable”. Someone among the vortex will correct my phrase and that is a good thing. My wording is incorrect, but that is not the important i

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Re:Wired

2011-10-29 Thread Haiko Lietz
I donÄt think Rossi will cooperate with the military. He said about Defkalion: "Defkalion will manufacture units up to 20KW for different*non-military*applications within 2011" and "Defkalion intends to use this technology in a*socially*responsible manner" (http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-

Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?

2011-10-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck wrote: > > I will make a people search for the US. > He appears to be Italian. Why would he be registered in the U.S? I can look in a Japanese registry but he probably isn't there either. > But very probably not the real name. > What on earth makes you think that is not his real

Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?

2011-10-29 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Peter Gluck wrote: > If it is his real name?! It is a Domenico Fioravanti hero sprtsman- kind of > Mark Spitz or Michael Phelps of Italy. > I will make a people search for the US. > But very probably not the real name. Fioravanti.it are famous coach builders in T

Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?

2011-10-29 Thread Peter Gluck
If it is his real name?! It is a Domenico Fioravanti hero sprtsman- kind of Mark Spitz or Michael Phelps of Italy. I will make a people search for the US. But very probably not the real name. On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > As noted, there is a photo of Fioravanti and some

Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?

2011-10-29 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > As noted, there is a photo of Fioravanti and some comments about him by > Lewan here: > http://theeestory.com/posts/215391 His picture here: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3303681.ece will enlarge. Interesting c

Re: [Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.

2011-10-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mattia Rizzi wrote: You need to get a lawsuit against Rossi before asking it. > That's a shame. Okay, maybe you can find out if the people who signed the report are registered as licensed engineers. See the thread I just posted about Domenico Fioravanti. The U.S. now has on-line registries of

Re: [Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.

2011-10-29 Thread Daniel Rocha
Yes, a typo kind of error. 2011/10/29 Mattia Rizzi > Oh, only a small error you think? > Energy =~ 1/wavelength > You said Energy =~ wavelength > > *From:* Daniel Rocha > *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2011 5:36 PM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up

[Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.

2011-10-29 Thread Mattia Rizzi
Oh, only a small error you think? Energy =~ 1/wavelength You said Energy =~ wavelength From: Daniel Rocha Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 5:36 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit. You are picking up on small

[Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?

2011-10-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
As noted, there is a photo of Fioravanti and some comments about him by Lewan here: http://theeestory.com/posts/215391 I asked Lewan: "Do you know anything about this person? Do you think it is possible he is a fake who actually works for Rossi? He looks a little old for that. I do not seriousl

Re: [Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.

2011-10-29 Thread Daniel Rocha
You are picking up on small things. Just exchange "wavelength" to "energy" in the quoted part and all is right, I was only talking about photon energy, anyway. 2011/10/29 Mattia Rizzi > What are you talking about? You said that gamma rays had longest > wavelength then visibile light (“The gamm

[Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.

2011-10-29 Thread Mattia Rizzi
You need to get a lawsuit against Rossi before asking it. From: Jed Rothwell Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 5:24 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit. Mattia Rizzi wrote: >That does seem likely. Perhaps t

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Re:Wired

2011-10-29 Thread Terry Blanton
A photo of Col. Ing. Domenico Fioravanti: http://theeestory.com/posts/215391 T

[Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.

2011-10-29 Thread Mattia Rizzi
What are you talking about? You said that gamma rays had longest wavelength then visibile light (“The gamma ray can have a small wavelength such that it could almost fit in the range of visible light”, quoted). That’s absurd. Yeah, you can say that a 75keV is gamma as you can say that a 2Mhz Rad

Re: [Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.

2011-10-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mattia Rizzi wrote: >That does seem likely. Perhaps that means he did not tell them there is > potential gamma emissions. > > > And what you think Rossi said? “Well, we want an authorization for running > a 1MW electric heater?” > I have no idea what he said. You are Italian. Why don't you try

Re: [Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.

2011-10-29 Thread Daniel Rocha
I just provided you with examples which are not the case. For example, the isomer 180m1 Ta is very stable, but when it decays, it emits at an energy of 75KeV, which is within the range of x-rays, that is, below 120KeV. 2011/10/29 Mattia Rizzi > >The gamma ray can have a small wavelength such t

[Vo]:Rossi Re:Wired

2011-10-29 Thread Terry Blanton
A follow up article by Wired (UK) Mag: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-10/29/rossi-success They speculate it's DARPA. More likely SPAWAR. T

[Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Fw: [Vo]:500kW generator was also running during the 5 hours!‏

2011-10-29 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
And those kinds of gensets have watt-hour meters as well… -m From: John Harris [mailto:jfhar...@dodo.com.au] Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 7:33 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Fw: [Vo]:500kW generator was also running during the 5 hours!‏ If I where running the test I would on

[Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.

2011-10-29 Thread Mattia Rizzi
>The gamma ray can have a small wavelength such that it could almost fit in the >range of visible light I think you need to read some physics books. Gamma rays have smaller wavelength then X-Rays and visible light. And a re more powerful and hazards. From: Daniel Rocha Sent: Saturday, October

[Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.

2011-10-29 Thread Mattia Rizzi
>That does seem likely. Perhaps that means he did not tell them there is >potential gamma emissions. And what you think Rossi said? “Well, we want an authorization for running a 1MW electric heater?” No comment. From: Jed Rothwell Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 5:02 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.c

Re: [Vo]:Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.

2011-10-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mattia Rizzi wrote: > > No matter of what his going on inside the reactor. > Rossi made spectacular claims. He said that he generate heat by gamma > emission. > Yes, he did. Experts think that is unlikely, but he did say that. But did he tell that to the government when he applied for a permit?

Re: [Vo]:Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.

2011-10-29 Thread Daniel Rocha
Gamma rays may have a subjective definition.You can say that Gamma Rays are photons emitted by state transitions of the nucleus and X-Rays are photons that comes from electrons. X-Ray machines emits what would be otherwise consider gamma rays, around 140KeV. For example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wik

Re: [Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.

2011-10-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mattia Rizzi wrote: If you declare to run a 1MW reactor and if you declare that generate heat > with gamma radiation, then it's nuclear. > Is that what Rossi declared in his application for a permit? Did you read the application or the permit? If you did not, you do not know what he told the gov

[Vo]:Fw: [Vo]:500kW generator was also running during the 5 hours!‏

2011-10-29 Thread John Harris
If I where running the test I would only want one point of power input and that from the genset - this means that the generator must remain running to power the condensor fans, pumps and control electrics. If the gen set where stopped but there was a sizable extension cord run out from the build

Re: [Vo]:Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.

2011-10-29 Thread Mattia Rizzi
>Still, as far as anyone knows, cold fusion never generates dangerous radiation. So it is a little silly to apply the safety standards of fission or plasma fusion to it. This is like saying that hydrogen airships can explode, so we should take extreme precautions when working with helium balloons.

Re: [Vo]:Some calculations, discussion and accurate temperature graph

2011-10-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen wrote: > However, this test was by no means made by independed scientists. > Well, supposedly it was. Rossi claims that was an independent engineer. We have only his word for that. > I take some words back. Rossi's calorimetry was not calibrated. Therefore > we do not have any

Re: [Vo]:Some calculations, discussion and accurate temperature graph

2011-10-29 Thread Robert Lynn
Unless you know the temperature and the pressure you can make no sensible statements as to whether it was steam or water, and again you are left with a roughly 1:7 possible range of power output (70kW if water, 490kW if steam). Forget analysis and go on faith (or lack of faith) in Rossi and the se

Re: [Vo]:Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.

2011-10-29 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 29.10.2011 16:32, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Mattia Rizzi mailto:mattia.ri...@gmail.com>> wrote: How can rossi had a permit if inside the nuclear site there isn’t even a SINGLE “Nuclear Warning” panel? I don't know. I have not seen his application or permit. You have a good point. It m

Re: [Vo]:Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.

2011-10-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mattia Rizzi wrote: How can rossi had a permit if inside the nuclear site there isn’t even a > SINGLE “Nuclear Warning” panel? > I don't know. I have not seen his application or permit. You have a good point. It might be prudent to set up some signs. I am not sure where you would put them, or ho

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:500kW generator was also running during the 5 hours!‏

2011-10-29 Thread Peter Heckert
It must make a big difference in noise and in heat production and in fuel consumption if the generator is running without load. It cannot go unnoticed if this was watched. Am 29.10.2011 16:22, schrieb David Roberson: It is prudent to have the generator running for safety reasons as well as to s

Re: [Vo]:500kW generator was also running during the 5 hours!‏

2011-10-29 Thread David Roberson
It is prudent to have the generator running for safety reasons as well as to supply the control system regulating the ECATs. I would find it strange if they deactivated the generator. Also, the net fuel used during the test is a direct indication of the amount of energy from that source. Thi

[Vo]:Re: Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.

2011-10-29 Thread Mattia Rizzi
If you declare to run a 1MW reactor and if you declare that generate heat with gamma radiation, then it's nuclear. **No matter what it is the true nature of the reaction**, but if you declare these things, then you cannot get an authorization without installing "nuclear warinig" panels. -M

Re: [Vo]:NyTeknik Report

2011-10-29 Thread David Roberson
I drank mine last evening. I would be willing to share another round with you and the others in the celebratory mood. Cheers! Dave -Original Message- From: Ecat Builder To: vortex-l Sent: Sat, Oct 29, 2011 6:39 am Subject: [Vo]:NyTeknik Report http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/ener

Re: [Vo]:Some calculations, discussion and accurate temperature graph

2011-10-29 Thread David Roberson
Can we make the assumption that since the temperature is well above 100 C inside the output piping heading toward the condensers that the steam must be of very high quality? It seems to me that the condensers are capable of totally condensing the vapor so that the pressure within this pipe mus

Re: [Vo]:Some calculations, discussion and accurate temperature graph

2011-10-29 Thread Jouni Valkonen
I take some words back. Rossi's calorimetry was not calibrated. Therefore we do not have any proper evidence for the performance. I guess that there was some excess heat, but nothing more accurate can be said. Right now we need to wait for the miracle that the mystery company steps forward or the

Re: [Vo]:Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.

2011-10-29 Thread Craig Haynie
On Sat, 2011-10-29 at 15:20 +0200, Mattia Rizzi wrote: > How can rossi had a permit if inside the nuclear site there isn’t even > a SINGLE “Nuclear Warning” panel? Nuclear Warning Panel? This is still an unknown phenomenon, and the idea that it's nuclear is still speculation. It is not known to b

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:500kW generator was also running during the 5 hours!‏

2011-10-29 Thread Peter Heckert
In the report they reported Noise: 50 dBA, which is below normal room loudness. How could they measure this, when the generator was running all time? Am 29.10.2011 13:01, schrieb Larry Ectsnte: Is there any reason why there was a 500kW generator running AND hooked up to the E-Cat through the

Re: [Vo]:Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.

2011-10-29 Thread Mattia Rizzi
>Rossi says here that they issued some sort of conditional permit, with >restrictions. That is the sort of thing you would expect for an experimental >device. That sounds plausible. It is what I would expect a responsible >government official to issue. Jed, please. How can rossi had a permit if

Re: [Vo]:Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.

2011-10-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Charles Hope wrote: Jed, in your opinion, why does Rossi bother with these demoes, if they don't > impress fence sitters, and he doesn't need new investors? > It seems to clear to me why he did these demos. Different reasons: Oct. 6 was a demonstration. It proved beyond any question the device

[Vo]:Martini and Rossi Vodka Martini - not on the rocks

2011-10-29 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex, While is that aire of uncertainty about the generator and some otre issues, I will have a Martini & Rossi Vodka Martini. I think that everything ...when told...will be fine. IF I were Rossi..I would only be concerned about my customer...and the AP. Which seems to be the case

[Vo]:500kW generator was also running during the 5 hours!‏

2011-10-29 Thread Larry Ectsnte
Is there any reason why there was a 500kW generator running AND hooked up to the E-Cat through the WHOLE test, despite the E-Cat being switched into "self-sustain" mode? I gave it a tiny percent chance of being possible before, but now there's nothing but a clear scam left of it. "Power for st

Re: [Vo]:NyTeknik Report

2011-10-29 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/10/29 Ecat Builder : > 5.5 hours of self sustain mode after just 2 hours of startup time. > Champaign anyone? > Not yet. There was nothing new to October test presented expect that instead of one E-Cat, there was 107 of them. But measurements are extremely unreliable and we need to make assu

[Vo]:NyTeknik Report

2011-10-29 Thread Ecat Builder
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3303682.ece 5.5 hours of self sustain mode after just 2 hours of startup time. Champaign anyone? Brad

Re: [Vo]:Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.

2011-10-29 Thread Peter Heckert
Yes, this is the big question. If it worked, why didnt it blow up? I have calculated elsewhere in this forum that it is technical possible to dissipate the heat with a big ventilated air heatexchanger. This is believable to me. But the big unsolved question for me is: Steam temperature was 105

Re: [Vo]:Lewan and other observers unable to confirm claims

2011-10-29 Thread Susan Gipp
... ROSSI SAID ... (as usual) 2011/10/29 Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint > At least the thermocouples were placed by the company’s engineer and not > Rossi... > -mark > > >

[Vo]:Some calculations, discussion and accurate temperature graph

2011-10-29 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Here is the temperature graphs with more accurate time stamps: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28230378/oct28demo.png And some simple calculations: Water flow rate: 675.6 l/h Temperature above 100°C: 12:34 End of dataset: 18:24 Total time: 350 min (5h 50 min) Heating period: Started: 11:00 / Ended: