[Vo]:Rossi ecat website - confused

Hi, According to the WHOIS database the domain leonardo-ecat.com is owned by Andrea Rossi. Sterling Allan publishes content there that is not approved by Andrea Rossi. He re-publishes content that was previously removed on request by Rossi. Because Rossi is the legal owner of the domain, I must

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

>From my perspective gleaned from many months of Rossi watching, Rossi is not attempting to perpetrate a SCAM. If SCAMMING was Rossi’s intent, why would Rossi complicate each and every demo with a new reactor design? No, Rossi wants to perfect his invention through these numerous dog and pony show

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

> Jed wrote: >> They include people such as Kullander, who is chairman >> of the Royal Academy of Sciences Energy Committee. > Joshua wrote: > He doesn't sound that convinced to me. He says the isotope ratios > don't fit, and more measurements are needed. > This is good example, what skepticism rea

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

Another core confrontation: Jed Rothwell: > Krivit is not a researcher. > As far as I know he has no valid technical reasons to doubt Rossi. > He only points to "suspicious behavior" and to some imaginary problems. > Joshua Cude: He published 200 pages of analysis from [ over 2 dozen ] experts h

Re: [Vo]:Let Rossi Be Rossi?

I believe that the water leaks were at the top seal, and would only have come into play when the E-Cat was effectively overflowing. They would not contribute to net energy loss during the proposed "heat storage" Also, the only measured primary flow before the rate was increased (for quenching) w

Re: [Vo]:Let Rossi Be Rossi?

Joshua Cude wrote: > They weighed it before the warm-up period. > But heating a brick eCat into 100°C takes about 20 MJ energy. And as there was additional heat loss due to poor insulation some 300-700 watts and also substantial water leak. These basic heat losses that never even got to the heat

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion, heat from primary energy consumption, and global warming

I forsee other times when thermal energy is produced to prevent global cooling. There will be global controls to regulate a stable climate, and the most powerful nations will clambor to have the global climate skewed in their regional favor. Harry Veeder wrote: >I can forsee a time when therm

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion, heat from primary energy consumption, and global warming

In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Mon, 14 Nov 2011 22:32:11 -0500: Hi, [snip] > wrote: > >> >> This figure is too high. The amount intercepted by the Earth is 5 million >> quads >> per annum above the atmosphere, and then some of this is directly >> reflected back >> into space by cloud cover.

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion, heat from primary energy consumption, and global warming

I can forsee a time when thermal energy production on the planet might be limited by law to prevent global warming. By then the Earth will a "preserve" and most people will live off-world. Harry On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:15 PM, wrote: > In reply to  Jed Rothwell's message of Mon, 14 Nov 201

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion, heat from primary energy consumption, and global warming

Jed Rothwell wrote: > We can tell that heat released by human energy consumption > does not have a significant effect for two reasons: > First, any heat release escapes from the atmosphere in about 40 min. This is untrue, because most of the heat caused by (cold fusion) power plants is not releas

Re: [Vo]:When faced with reality

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:45 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson < svj.orionwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > Jed, > > Since you are a pretty decent historian on a number of events... > > Regarding the Right Brothers, when proof became irrefutable that their > contraption could fly under power, how did som

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:24 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote: > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:16 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: >> >> I find much about Rossi laughable and the whole ongoing story is immensely >> amusing.  That's true regardless of how it turns out. > > > Well, the design of the website is certainly laugha

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

Robert Leguillon wrote: Completely concur. These are the kind of test environs that I'd expect to > see. Also, their technical posts were always at least logical (e.g., > experimenting with different coolants for a single-phase primary loop). That's for sure. Better to keep it in liquid phase,

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

Completely concur. These are the kind of test environs that I'd expect to see. Also, their technical posts were always at least logical (e.g., experimenting with different coolants for a single-phase primary loop). They always came across as more "ready for primetime" than Rossi. I'm eagerly awa

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion, heat from primary energy consumption, and global warming

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > wrote: > >> >> This figure is too high. The amount intercepted by the Earth is 5 million >> quads >> per annum above the atmosphere, and then some of this is directly >> reflected back >> into space by cloud cover. >> > > Where did you get t

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion, heat from primary energy consumption, and global warming

120,000 TWs reaches the surface of the planet according to: http://www.sc.doe.gov/bes/reports/files/SEU_rpt.pdf "The solar availability at the top of the atmosphere is 170,000 TW, of which 120,000 TW strikes the Earth (the remainder being scattered by the atmosphere and clouds)." AG On 11/1

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > Ahern told me he is sure that Rossi is getting some heat. He doubts the > extent of it, not the reality of it. > Right. But the extent of it is the point with respect to the feasibility of retail reactors. Here's what he wrote to Krivit:

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion, heat from primary energy consumption, and global warming

wrote: > > This figure is too high. The amount intercepted by the Earth is 5 million > quads > per annum above the atmosphere, and then some of this is directly > reflected back > into space by cloud cover. > Where did you get that info? I looked all around for that. I found that one site that

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

For some reason a message from Joshua Cude popped up. Anyway, he wrote: > It's not even close to libelous. But why exactly is your opinion more > important than the legal definition? > The spirit of these messages violates the rules set here, and they violate the rules of academic decorum. >

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

Mary, it is irrelevant what you are saying but what impression you are giving when you are saying it. Ridiculing cold fusion research by comparing it to unicorn farm, is the most offensive ad hominem insult what you can make here. It is really offending and insulting and I take it personally and ju

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion, heat from primary energy consumption, and global warming

In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:36:13 -0500: Hi, [snip] >Solar energy striking the Earth's surface >produces roughly 8.2 million quads per year, 20,500 times more than this. This figure is too high. The amount intercepted by the Earth is 5 million quads per annum above t

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > Please do not be legalistic. [...] I do not care what constitutes libel > strictly according to the law. What you are doing is libelous, in my > opinion. > It's not even close to libelous. But why exactly is your opinion more important tha

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

From: Jed > This document is unprofessional. The photographs should have captions, > like the ones in the Scientific American or a trade magazine. A > caption should tell the reader what this is, and what the significance > of it is. Like so: > > An reactor (nn cm x nn cm x nn cm). O

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

I wrote: > http://amasci.com/pathsk2.txt > I cite example #10, below. This is what you are up to, and if you don't stop, you will be soon be on my kill file list. Admittedly that is an elite group (4 people), so perhaps it would please you to join it. 10. Accusing opponents of delusion, lying,

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

I bet they keep you dying from boredom. Harry On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: > >> You have the attitude of a hostile witness. > > My unicorns make me testy.  They're invisible and keep playing mean tricks > on me. >

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:35 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: > I'd be interested in running a gig PA with that smaller generator of his. >> Then I'd know it's all useful. I still can't believe that none of these >> people ever organize a "plug your phone in here to charge it" type >> demonstrations. It's al

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

Mary Yugo wrote: Ah. You must not have been reading what I wrote carefully. I never said > Rossi is committing fraud. I said that I think he *may be* committing > fraud. Some places I said "most likely" and "may very well" be committing > fraud. That isn't libel -- not in the US anyhow. >

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

> You have the attitude of a hostile witness. > My unicorns make me testy. They're invisible and keep playing mean tricks on me.

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

> I'd be interested in running a gig PA with that smaller generator of his. > Then I'd know it's all useful. I still can't believe that none of these > people ever organize a "plug your phone in here to charge it" type > demonstrations. It's always good to have them do something understandable, > s

Re: [Vo]:Let Rossi Be Rossi?

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Joshua Cude wrote: > >> >> Except the fundamental physics, and the fact that a 30 L poorly insulated >>> vessel of water cannot stay at boiling temperature for 4 hours. >>> >> >> It most certainly can, if it weighs 100 kg, and consists in pa

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: >> Both Rossi and Defkalion are doing their best to keep all the decision >> making in their own hands and out of the hands of their propagandist >> detractors. > > Could you be kind enough to define "propagandist detractors" and how it > applies t

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:16 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: > I find much about Rossi laughable and the whole ongoing story is immensely > amusing. That's true regardless of how it turns out. > Well, the design of the website is certainly laughable. It totally conforms with all the other websites. What i

Re: [Vo]:Swedish Radio : advertising a scam ?

Isn't the CEO of Earthtech this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_E._Puthoff It seems that the most mainstream research he ever did was cold fusion, heh. 2011/11/15 Mary Yugo > > My apologies : I was confusing you with Stella_Nokia (eg on Defkalion). >> > > No worries. > > For what it'

Re: [Vo]:Let Rossi Be Rossi?

> Except the fundamental physics, and the fact that a 30 L poorly insulated > vessel of water cannot stay at boiling temperature for 4 hours. > I disagree that the large E-cat module was ever properly inspected. For sure, nobody saw what was inside the finned rectangular portion in the interior.

Re: [Vo]:Let Rossi Be Rossi?

Granted that Rossi is producing anomalous heat, nevertheless absolutely > everything else about this story stinks to high heaven. The conundrum which > nobody can decipher is why someone with a real effect, or a scammer, would > operate in such a bizarre manner. The only conclusion left is that the

[Vo]:Let Rossi Be Rossi?

This may be a double posting . . . Joshua Cude wrote: > > Except the fundamental physics, and the fact that a 30 L poorly insulated >> vessel of water cannot stay at boiling temperature for 4 hours. >> > > It most certainly can, if it weighs 100 kg, and consists in part of fire > brick, or some

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

> > You're the only one. who enjoys your sarcastic "put-down"-type "humor". > You even call it humor. > I think you're such a staunch believer that your feelings get hurt when anyone suggests Rossi may be scamming and makes fun of him. Others have written me privately to approve of the humor and

Re: [Vo]:Swedish Radio : advertising a scam ?

> My apologies : I was confusing you with Stella_Nokia (eg on Defkalion). > No worries. For what it's worth, I can assure you I am not "she". Stella_Nokia is another pseudonym for the person who writes more often as Alsetalokin and Tinsel Koala. He's someone who's worked in physics and enginee

Re: [Vo]:Let Rossi Be Rossi?

Joshua Cude wrote: > > Except the fundamental physics, and the fact that a 30 L poorly insulated >> vessel of water cannot stay at boiling temperature for 4 hours. >> > > It most certainly can, if it weighs 100 kg, and consists in part of fire > brick, or something similar, and starts out at 500

Re: [Vo]:Let Rossi Be Rossi?

Charles Hope wrote: Rossi can be devious, but I have not seen *any* evidence that he lies about >> engineering data. >> > > Except that you wrote > > Mind you, the list of his statements we compiled includes some > diametrically opposite assertions: > > > http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Director

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:03 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: > I think Bill Beaty should ask you to stop. >> > > Although some enjoy my sarcastic humor, I have stopped doing it after the > complaints. > You're the only one. who enjoys your sarcastic "put-down"-type "humor". You even call it humor.

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

> > Many companies do have factories, so this claim is not extravagant. It is > quite the normal thing for an industrial company to have a factory. > Yes it is but most factories have addresses you can check and visit. And very few, last I looked, make NUCLEAR FUSION REACTORS. And even fewer of

Re: [Vo]:Let Rossi Be Rossi?

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > Except the fundamental physics, and the fact that a 30 L poorly insulated > vessel of water cannot stay at boiling temperature for 4 hours. > It most certainly can, if it weighs 100 kg, and consists in part of fire brick, or something simi

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

Here is the most pertinent, irrefutable, entirely simple and obvious, technical objection: Jed Rothwell: In the last year I have not seen a a single valid technical objection to Rossi's claims. Joshua Cude: No. Your problem is that you don't understand the valid technical objections. You repeat

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion, heat from primary energy consumption, and global warming

Alan J Fletcher wrote: > (I don't know if there's a name for that kind of chart .. a bit like the > famous Napoleon chart, showing the energy flow divided up into various uses. For those unfamiliar with this, the Napoleon chart is a *masterpiece* of statistical graphics. See: http://www.edwar

Re: [Vo]:Swedish Radio : advertising a scam ?

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: > My apologies : I was confusing you with Stella_Nokia  (eg on Defkalion). > (But who can blame me? ) I'm pretty sure they are sisters. :) T

Re: [Vo]:Let Rossi Be Rossi?

On Nov 14, 2011, at 20:12, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Charles Hope wrote: > > > Rossi can be devious, but I have not seen any evidence that he lies about > engineering data. Except that you wrote > Mind you, the list of his statements we compiled includes some diametrically > opposite asser

Re: [Vo]:Swedish Radio : advertising a scam ?

At 11:10 PM 11/12/2011, Mary Yugo wrote: On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote: I'm beginning to see why you've been banned from so many forums.  Sorry, I don't keep track.   How many was that and which ones if you know? And were they all run by fervent believe

Re: [Vo]:A big company makes a public bid for an ecat.

Not exactly a big company, but a legitimate one. http://www.manta.com/c/mmjrhjq/sutherland-products-inc http://www.charliesoap.com/ On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > Charlie Sutherland > November 14th, 2011 at 10:36 AM > > Dear Mr. Rossi, > > We make GREEN detergents and a

Re: [Vo]:Chinese Nazca?

Hi, On 14-11-2011 19:28, Terry Blanton wrote: > http://gizmodo.com/5859081/why-is-china-building-these-gigantic-structures-in-the-middle-of-the-desert Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aksai_Chin "The etymology of Aksai Chin is uncertain regarding the word "Chin". As a word of Turk ori

Re: [Vo]:Let Rossi Be Rossi?

Charles Hope wrote: Granted that Rossi is producing anomalous heat, nevertheless absolutely > everything else about this story stinks to high heaven. Except the fundamental physics, and the fact that a 30 L poorly insulated vessel of water cannot stay at boiling temperature for 4 hours. That do

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion, heat from primary energy consumption, and global warming

That reminds me ... about a month ago you put up a DOE (?) report with lots of charts about energy usage. But I can't find it in my vortex files or on lenr-cad. (I don't know if there's a name for that kind of chart .. a bit like the famous Napoleon chart, showing the energy flow divided up i

[Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

Mary Yugo wrote: They did not say they had a prototype lab. They said they had a factory. >> >> >> Do you have evidence they do not? >> > > Oh come on! YOU know better than THAT! Like it's my job to disprove > their extravagant claims? > Many companies do have factories, so this claim is not

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

On Nov 14, 2011, at 14:04, Mary Yugo wrote: > My working theory on why he behaves that way is that he's scamming. There are two problems with that. He's shifty and does not inspire confidence. He's not taking all the money he's being offered.

Re: [Vo]:Let Rossi Be Rossi?

Granted that Rossi is producing anomalous heat, nevertheless absolutely everything else about this story stinks to high heaven. The conundrum which nobody can decipher is why someone with a real effect, or a scammer, would operate in such a bizarre manner. The only conclusion left is that the ef

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

This document is unprofessional. The photographs should have captions, like the ones in the Scientific American or a trade magazine. A caption should tell the reader what this is, and what the significance of it is. Like so: An reactor (nn cm x nn cm x nn cm). On the left is a canister of bla

[Vo]:A big company makes a public bid for an ecat.

Charlie Sutherland November 14th, 2011 at 10:36 AM Dear Mr. Rossi, We make GREEN detergents and are growing even in these dangerous economic times. My company relies on GREEN technology and a GREEN aware customer base. Our customer distribution reaches all 50 states and several countries in Euro

Re: [Vo]:Chinese Nazca?

I saw that picture in this movie. It defeated the enemy. http://www.startrek.com/database_article/i-borg Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:07 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Chinese Nazca? On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Stephen

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > Even if that were true, a 30 L vessel of water cannot remain at boiling > temperature for 4 hours, > Why not? If it's perfectly insulated it can stay at boiling temperature indefinitely. It all depends on the rate that energy is removed, a

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > I do not know any very smart people who say this. > That's because anyone who says it is automatically defined by you as not very smart; it's a tautology. But Peter Ekstrom says it, and so do a dozen or more people Krivit consulted, and th

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

At 11:59 AM 11/14/2011, Mary Yugo wrote: hey also said they would soon make a megawatt plant and give the excess heat to the Police Academy **this winter**. It's almost winter. How soon people forget. U ... on this one I don't. The 1MW the were planning to use is the one they intended t

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

At 10:54 AM 11/14/2011, Mary Yugo wrote: Absent specifications and independent test results, it's all pure guesswork! On this one I agree with you ... absent even a "witnessed demonstration".

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > It's no doubt a less frustrating exercise than trying to label all the knobs > and doo-dads on the Crimson Dynamo's spiffy red suit, but that's about the > best I could say for the exercise. Far less frustrating to label all the knobs

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

>From Jed: ... > Many skeptics do not seem to understand this distinction. They look at the > factors a college instructor would cite in grading an lab exercise: > neatness, correct use of instruments, documentation, exposition, positioning > of thermocouples, and other did-you-follow-the-textboo

Re: [Vo]:Rossi might get a comprehensive patent

Am 14.11.2011 19:42, schrieb Jed Rothwell: I wrote: However, others are trying to develop powder, and they may be catching up. . . . Yes. At the Max planck institute they research possibilities to use metal hydride powders as a nightly solar heat store. Under distinct conditions the

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

On 11-11-14 04:34 PM, Robert Leguillon wrote: Defkalion wasn't obligated to release anything. The pictures do show that they were working on the product, and appeared to have invested more into it than a few pipes and elbows. This news is great, because it lends a lot more credence to their c

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

Mary Yugo wrote: I suspect he practices misdirection ... We agree. I think his entire performance at the demos consists mostly of misdirection. Even if that were true, a 30 L vessel of water cannot remain at boiling temperature for 4 hours, so we can be sure the claims are true. Ther

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

Defkalion wasn't obligated to release anything. The pictures do show that they were working on the product, and appeared to have invested more into it than a few pipes and elbows. This news is great, because it lends a lot more credence to their claims that more information will be forthcoming.

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

> I suspect he practices misdirection ... > We agree. I think his entire performance at the demos consists mostly of misdirection.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

. > Oh, come now. The second photo, labeled "Hyperion in assembly", is > actually quite sharp > It's low resolution, nothing's labeled, nothing's explained, and, if the > thing really is "in assembly", then the reason it's already hooked up to a > big blue gas-tank-looking thing is not entirely c

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

Terry Blanton wrote: > I don't recall Rothwell saying that Rossi lies. > Because I never did say that. I said repeatedly that as far as I know, he always tells the truth about engineering technical details. Mind your, the list of his statements we compiled includes some diametrically opposite

Re: [Vo]:Was it ever detected isotopes with "medium" half lives in transmutations

In reply to Daniel Rocha's message of Mon, 14 Nov 2011 01:02:43 -0200: Hi, [snip] >Before seeing it, I am referring to transmutations of cold fusion. I wonder >why such isotopes haven't been seen, as far as I could search the >literature. Not finding such isotopes would be a sort of Huizenga's 4t

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

On 11-11-14 03:33 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: Defkalion showed a few blurry images of some lab equipment. Oh, come now. The second photo, labeled "Hyperion in assembly", is actually quite sharp. It's low resolution, nothing's labeled, nothing's explained, and, if the thing really is "in assemb

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

Mary Yugo wrote: > You keep saying the results of Rossi's demos were obvious but there is > continuing disagreement over that from very smart people so you could be > wrong. > I do not know any very smart people who say this. All of the scientists I know who have examined the results are convin

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

> > Both Rossi and Defkalion are doing their best to keep all the decision > making in their own hands and out of the hands of their propagandist > detractors. > Could you be kind enough to define "propagandist detractors" and how it applies to the discussion of scientific claims? I can sort of g

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: > And even Jed Rothwell said the guy probably lies > frequently and elaborately! > I don't recall Rothwell saying that Rossi lies. T

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

“I have seen nothing to suggest it and I would be careful not to base any decision whatever on it.” Both Rossi and Defkalion are doing their best to keep all the decision making in their own hands and out of the hands of their propagandist detractors. On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Mary Yugo

[Vo]:Cold fusion, heat from primary energy consumption, and global warming

>From time to time, someone asks me about these issues. For example, someone sent me this comment from a discussion group, and asked how it might be addressed: ". . . global warming is about HEAT - atmospheric gasses like co2 & ch4 tend to cause the atmosphere to retain more of it - however, even

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 12:25 PM, David Roberson wrote: > I refer to your posts on the Defkalion site. You repeated a million times > (maybe a few less) that they should show you anything at all. That was > your desire for many posts and now they have done what you requested. Now, > you need t

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

I refer to your posts on the Defkalion site. You repeated a million times (maybe a few less) that they should show you anything at all. That was your desire for many posts and now they have done what you requested. Now, you need to let the world know that they did what you begged them to do

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

> > Whatever they do, you will demand more, and more, and more. You will move > the goalposts down the field, out of the stadium, out of the parking lot . > . . > I am asking the same I always asked. They provided one tiny part of it. And a very weak one. > They announced they will soon provide

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

> > Rossi and other other researchers have encountered opposition from people > in other ways. Especially from people such as Yugo and Park who accuse them > of being frauds. > I never said Rossi *is* a fraud. I have said many times and many different ways that his overall story is unlikely and

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

Mary Yugo wrote: > > It's interesting that they showed what appears to be a prototype Hyperion > apparently with some sort of test set up. It's far from proving that they > have a working fusion reactor! > I would have expected them to show a large room filled with people making > Hyperions.

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > You seem to believe that Rossi owes you an explanation. He dislikes you > intenslyas a member of the chattering class and will not be affected by > your demands for proof. > > Rossi will cooperate with his cu stomers up to a point. He will remo

Re: [Vo]:Chinese Nazca?

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > Wow, that really cleared things up!  Thanks, Terry! Hey, I'm not sufferin' this all by myself. I need help. T

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:43 AM, David Roberson wrote: > I have followed your suggestions for several months now. You have made > the point that Defkalion should show you anything at all. Why do you now > argue about them fulfilling your request? You should be satisfied. > It's interesting t

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

Vorl Bek wrote: > > The fact that he has been able to do this despite rabid > > opposition and countless baseless accusations by people like you > > makes the accomplishment all the more remarkable. > > I can't see why suggesting that Rossi let an independent lab test > his device is 'rabid oppo

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

You seem to believe that Rossi owes you an explanation. He dislikes you intenslyas a member of the chattering class and will not be affected by your demands for proof. Rossi will cooperate with his cu stomers up to a point. He will remove the veil from his invention just enough to get a customer t

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

I have followed your suggestions for several months now. You have made the point that Defkalion should show you anything at all. Why do you now argue about them fulfilling your request? You should be satisfied. -Original Message- From: Mary Yugo To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Nov 14, 201

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

To me, Rossi’s actions are entirely understandable given the nascent state of his invention. In the very early stages of development, a presenter at a sales demo will emphasize what works and try to hide what doesn’t work well. I confess I have done this myself. It is the job of the audience to te

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

Let me understand. You think that the world would have been better off without the contributions of Rossi? So who would have advanced us this far this quickly? You need to realize that no one else was moving as far and fast as Rossi. Dave -Original Message- From: Mary Yugo To: v

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

> > The fact that he has been able to do this despite rabid > opposition and countless baseless accusations by people like you > makes the accomplishment all the more remarkable. I can't see why suggesting that Rossi let an independent lab test his device is 'rabid opposition and countless basele

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

Mary Yugo wrote: Re Mary Yugo, I am reading only what she tells about Rossi and the E-cat, >> not LENR or CF. >> >> Simple and completely correct. Proof of Rossi has nothing to do with > LENR or CF. > Rossi and Defkalion would like you to think so. Rossi's patent attorney, in the letters publis

Re: [Vo]:Chinese Nazca?

Wow, that really cleared things up! Thanks, Terry! On 11-11-14 01:28 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: http://gizmodo.com/5859081/why-is-china-building-these-gigantic-structures-in-the-middle-of-the-desert

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > Of note: The gas cylinder is blue - indicating nitrous oxide. Ammonium nitrate is good for something more than fertilizer and bombs. If you heat it to a liquid form and boil the liquid with a magnetic stirrer, the compound breaks down into n

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

> > Re Mary Yugo, I am reading only what she tells about Rossi and the E-cat, > not LENR or CF. > > Simple and completely correct. Proof of Rossi has nothing to do with LENR or CF. Thanks, Peter

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

> > All of the doubts are from the peanut gallery on the Internet, especially > people such as Mary Yugo. She says she knows nothing about cold fusion, so > obviously she cannot judge. Asking her to evaluate this would be like > asking me to review a performance of the Metropolitan Opera. I do not

Re: [Vo]:Chinese Nazca?

http://gizmodo.com/5859081/why-is-china-building-these-gigantic-structures-in-the-middle-of-the-desert

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

Well, considering Defkalion claimed to be setting up for making hundreds of Hyperions per year in the first quarter of next year, and claimed without evidence that they had submitted applications to the Greek authorities for permits to test and sell the devices, this is pretty disappointing. My th

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

Mary Yugo wrote: Nobody can prove *convincingly* that Rossi's E-cat works as he says he does. > Except people with a junior high level knowledge of physics, or anyone who has ever cooked a large pot of stew. > All of this is entirely Rossi's fault. > And all that he has accomplished is ent

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