>From Robert:
> There is a huge industry of focus-group research that would vehemently
> disagree. Changing terminologies can entirely restructure a debate, and
> affect changes in perception:
> "Global warming" to "climate change"?
> "Pro-choice" to "women's health"?
> "Gay marriage" to "marriag
Jed sez:
...
> (By the way, I did not love the challenge of making programs work
> in 4 kB, but I did meet it.)
Back in the 70's I was hired by the State of Wisconsin to work on an
IBM 360 Model 20, with 32k of memory. This was a mainframe computer. I
was in charge of the edit check program that
Robert sez:
> He who controls the language controls the argument.
> The examples I'd provided were all to demonstrate the utility of changing
> the terminology. You will not immediately remove stigma, but can restructure
> the entire nature of the dispute. The change in name can have the largest
>
Regarding the matter of:
> RE: On the topic that Horace brings up re: moving all
> non-technical postings to the other vortex list...
I presume this is in reference to vortex-b. Unfortunately, vortex-b is
set up as a no-holds bar forum where anything goes. Long ago I stopped
subscribing to "b" be
>From Bek:
> Your 'b' must be different from the one I subscribe to.
No, it's the same one.
> I haven't seen a post there in months, aside from the
> test I just did.
Yes, and why do you suppose that is so?
It's called the "scorched earth" syndrome. Things got so bad that
most, myself included
>From Bek:
>> It's called the "scorched earth" syndrome. Things got so
>> bad that most, myself included, simply subscribed out of
>> "b". I suspect the trolls are still however. They are
>> still subscribed to "b", abiding their time, waiting to
>> pounce.
> If everybody feels that way, 'b' will
Glad you responded to DGT, Jed,
You conclude with:
> I do not think I can get the message through.
> I suppose they do not want to hear it.
I'm inclined to speculate that, yes, they HAVE gotten your message.
They probably got your message long ago. But perhaps, for strategic
business reasons, th
Let me expand on some thoughts.
I gather Stremmenos has yet to visit DGT's labs. Why?
Several scenarios come to mind:
* If Stremmenos were to discover the fact that DGT's hyperons are
authentic, and that have created their own version of "the secret
sauce", it would essentially authenticate DGT'
>From Robert:
...
> Whether the decision is based on strategy or attorney's recommendation
> is anybody's guess.
IMO, both are good guesses. ...a little of both.
I bet lawyers on both sides of the fence will make a bundle of money. ;-)
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazz
>From Stephen:
> Perhaps they *are* stupid.
>
> That issue is quite independent of whether they're honest. Not everybody in
> business who is in a position to control substantial sums is highly
> intelligent, after all.
>
> And if they're actually con guys, well, most criminals are, after all, ki
Giovanni sez:
> How come Mary Yugo explanations of the "current events"
> sounds always the most rational, well thought and coherent?
> It just fits all the facts.
According to your personal paradigm.
There will always be mutual admiration societies.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWork
>From Mr. Lawrence,
...
> Good. Nice. The prototypes (mockups?) apparently look
> pretty, and the paper specs look good. (So did the
> Batmobile I saw at a car show some years back. It had
> great specs, too, by the way.) But do they work? Do
> they do anything at all? This statement says *
>> Could it be Black Light Power?
> Hmmm ... they're in New Jersey, so it qualifies as "North East".
> But I think Rossi would regard them as a snake/competitor.
Hah! Great speculation.
I wish BLP *would* find a way to "acquire" one of Rossi's contraptions.
Alas, me thinks this would be too muc
Terry sez:
...
> And Pai Mei taught the Black Mamba Dim Mak, aka the
> Five-Point-Palm-Exploding-Heart Technique, used to dispatch Bill; a
> far better way to die than in real life via autoerotic asphyxiation.
>
> Carradine's life will make a great movie one day.
Probably so.
We are an interest
>> We are an interesting species. It's probably one of the reasons why we
>> are being studied... at a discrete distance ;-)
>
> Or not so distant as in Doc Smith's "Triplanetary".
I loved reading Doc's Lensman series.
Doc gave great space opera.
And now... back to regularly scheduled programmin
Terry sez:
> At 11:30 tonight the countdown clock begins. Will the
> chaos erupt suddenly or become asymptotic?
> It appears to have begun:
>
> http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2011/12/20/atmosphere-becoming-more-turbulent-unusual-cloud-patterns-seen-in-skies-over-alabama/
> Cool cloud
>From Alan,
> Try typing "let it snow" into google.
Glad they included a "DEFROST" button. ;-)
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
>From Giovanni:
> Until LENR is something that every amateur enthusiast can
> reproduce and post on youtube, it will remain in the realm
> of pseudoscience.
I disagree with that assumption. What the hell do amateur enthusiasts
have to do with validation?
Assuming the technology is valid, all I t
Giovanni recently expressed the following proclamation:
> Until LENR is something that every amateur enthusiast can
> reproduce and post on youtube, it will remain in the realm
> of pseudoscience.
Soon afterwards, Mr. Rothwell followed up with:
> I suspect you [Giovanni] are making up unreasonab
>From Akira,
>> McKubre's M4 bogus experiment index:
>>
>> http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/McKubreM4/McKubre-Experiment-M4.shtml
>
>
> http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/McKubreM4/20111221ToWhomItMayConcern.shtml
>
> In the above link it appears to me that Krivit is not just attacking
> McKubre, but
>From Mary Yugo:
>> Am I to assume you examined the mathematical modeling and resulting curves
>> in the links I provided and have analyzed and rejected them for some good
>> reason?
I assume you addressed this query to Mr. Rothwell. Nevertheless, I
have two cents of my own to add.
Having run th
Jed sez:
> Wow! That gives us an interesting look at how Google translation works. The
> computer picks a word that is functionally similar. One that has similar
> uses, distribution or frequency.
>
> Or maybe it is a database error.
>
> The word "roth" also means red, in Middle English. Hence the
>From Dave:
> I agree with your assessment. Products such as the ECAT will not be
> sold over the counter in Home Depot. Right now you can not buy heat
> pumps there as the government requires certified installers due to the
> dangers involved. There are few customers capable of making the
> co
>From Francis
>Big oil has no way to plug all these
> little holes and is probably rethinking their future investment schemes to
> “join” rather than “beat” LENR and will probably find some way to purchase
> and meter this new resource.
It seems to me that a perfectly legitimate business
Hi Rick,
I wondered if my terse, snippy little remark might get a counter
response. Thanks for clarifying you thoughts on the matter.
Just so you know, I think you do good work, despite my occasional
philosophical disagreements I have with some of your opinions and
perceptions. To disagree is jus
Terry sez:
> BTW, MY should be awake and online soon.
> It will be interesting to see what she has to say.
My only contact with MY these days is through indirect exposure. There
has been a lot of that lately.
Robert's Google search was informative. It ought to put to rest
imaginative scenarios c
Thanks, Jones.
I read the paragraph. I'm not surprised read that the paper states
"...The global stellar electrostatic field is 918 times stronger than
the corresponding stellar gravity..." More on that later.
Meanwhile, yes, I am basically aware of Mills' explanation of the
corona, having someth
Addendum:
Let me add that my understanding of gravitation forces is based on
applying Newton's famous square of the distance formula. But does the
same square of the distance law govern the measured forces of charged
particles as well? I was assuming that was indeed the case. But I
could be dead w
Jones sez:
>> I'm not surprised read that the paper states "...The global
>> stellar electrostatic field is 918 times stronger than the
>> corresponding stellar gravity..." More on that later.
> ... Oh… you mean that 918 turns out to be half of a particular
> value that makes it seem to be rather
Jones sez:
> Reminds me of a concise and short post written a few years ago ...
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg00349.html
Ah yes, a classic Jones essay, vintage 2004.
I enjoyed reading it... again?
Kind of like statisticians hunt'in for wild hairs.
Regards
Steven Vincen
>From David:
> Attractive forces between two charges is related to 1/r^2 or the second
> order.
Hmmm. Then the sauce is getting thicker for me. ;-)
> A dipole type structure has a different law, but that is not what
> you seem to be talking about.
Regarding dipoles, According to Wiki:
htt
Harry sez:
> The ratio is not exactly 1836.
I realize that Harry. I got the "1836" number from the same Wiki article.
I rounded the measured value to an integer for expediency. Nothing more.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
>From Harry:
> The ratio is also dimensionless but the ratio of the strength of the
> sun's electrostatic field to its gravitational field is not
> dimensionless.
Can you clarify what is implied when using the term "dimension" and
"dimensionless" here.
It doesn't compute for me.
Regards
Steven
>From Jed:
...
> Think of all the real estate that will be opened up as gas
> stations are abandoned. They are ugly. Good riddance to them.
> It is a shame all those people will lose their jobs.
It seems to me that even in the best case scenario it is not likely
that our nation would be motivate
Ok...
Mark, Terry. thanks.
I'm going have to think about this for a spell since there seem to be
different interpretations.
Semantics can be quite disconcerting to a dyslexic.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Terry sez:
> Think of it this way: a proton might be composed of 1836 electrons.
>
> Add one more and you have a neutron!
Yup. Got that part. Knew that recipe eons ago.
Still, I suspect semantics is still getting in the way of what I'm
trying to describe.
In a nutshell, I'm wondering if the ag
>From Mauro:
> I was just thinking about that. I think that the
> total number of expelled protons must be greater
> than the number of electrons, to effectively establish
> an overall electric current with the surroundings,
> which tries to compensate for the charge disbalance.
...
If something
> See:
>
> http://www.thespaceshow.com/detail.asp?q=1685
Thank Jed,
Just finished listening to "The Space Show" an interview with Dr. Storms.
The segment with skeptic Charles Pooley was perhaps the most
entertaining part of the show for me. The ensuing interaction between
the host (Dr. David Liv
>From Mauro,
...
> I think the problem is with the "electrostatic" idea...
> if there are electric currents, then there isn't an
> electrostatic situation. There's nothing static in a
> system like the Sun and the Solar System.
Ah! THAT's what I missed in my prior speculation. Thanks for bringin
From: Mark:
First, a few excerpts from the article found here:
http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-01-quick-cooking-nanomaterials-microwave-tomorrow-air.html
> "It's really amazing as to how nanostructures seasoned
> with just a few atoms of sulfur can lead to such superior
> thermoelectric properti
>From Dusty:
> Unsubscribe
> unsubscribe
> unsubscribe...
>
> I've tried 4 times to get off this mailing list.
Others have already offered good suggestions. I'll add two more.
1. You do realize that the word "subscribe" as placed out in the
subject line was incorrectly spelled. As a card carryin
I'm not 100% sure of this but it is my understanding Mr.Krivit isn't a
member of CMNS.
The implication is that someone (or several individuals) who are CMNS
members privately feed Krivit CMNS information.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
>From AG:
> Jed,
>
> This is more than chaos. He has buried himself. How can anybody believe a
> word of what he says anymore?
>
> He did not ship the plant.
>
> The plant is not in test by anybody.
>
> There is no NI control system hooked to that plant.
>
> The plant is not operational.
>
> There
>From John Milstone
> How fortunate that you [Jed] appear to be the only person who isn't
> being bamboozled by Rossi.
Just out of curiosity, have you had any correspondence with Mr. Rossi
going back for for several years, as Mr. Rothwell presumably has had?
What do you base your conclusion on? Y
...
> ... I'm sending them to
> "vortex-l@eskimo.com". Is that not correct?
Hi John,
The same thing is happening to me, as with Jed. When I hit the reply
button, to reply to one of your vortex-l posts, I don't get the
vortex-l address. I get your personal email address. There must be a
setting
Jed sez:
...
> AG is worried that this will hurt Rossi's credibility. I am not worried
> about that, because Rossi has no credibility. McKubre thinks he does things
> intentionally to hurt his own credibility. I wouldn't put it past him.
If I had a highly controversial "free energy" device that
>From Andre:
...
> They just reacted on ecatnews.com:
>
> We are in a very early stage don’t get too optimistic. Please don’t bother
> the domain owner, we will publish proper contact info on the site when we
> make progress with our experiments.
>
> Not much to be expected soon, then.
Indeed.
Rick,
Thanks for your commentary.
BTW, you recently stated:
> ... I have been repeatedly denigrated as a "pathological skeptic"
> -- despite a proven track record of submitting detailed, evidence and
> reason based, critiques of CF claims since December, 1996, when I
> evolved from being a naiv
Has anyone stepped up yet, and is preparing to perform independent testing?
I assume there HAS to be interest in this subject.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
>From Jones:
> There are some that still believe Ni-H is thermonuclear and in fact, Pd-D
> could be. In fact W-L theory tries hard not to be forced into making that
> decision, and has QM features - but if the defining detail of that theory
> involves neutrons, neutron capture - and subsequent wea
Very few of us are destined to make a colossal financial killing in
the world, particularly on the order of raking in billions of
Dollars/Euros. It remains to be seen whether Rossi's name will be
added to that rarified list.
If Rossi does eventually succeed I would speculate that the history
books
Good comments from everyone.
>From Axel:
> In the context of the new high temperature NiH reactor
> designs, lead will melt at a lower temperature (327C)
> as compared to the temperature of the high temperature
> coolant (349C), therefore the theory of heat production
> in lead is untenable.
I a
>From Alian:
> note that for defkalion,
> gamma measures is not a secret
> http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5615#p5615
I read the thread. The only commentary from DGT is:
No, there is not any such limitation
Thank you
??? Ooooh-Kay... What does that mean?
Terry sez:
> OMG! The quantum coupled coherence is propagating in the Force and
> threatens to shred the very fabric of space! If it reaches the large
> hadron collider . . .
>
> ". . . overhead, without any fuss, the stars were going out."
Atheist, ACC, is probably chuckling over that one, whe
>From Terry:
> http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/28/world/europe/swedish-shipwreck-hunters/index.html
I've been more-or-less following this event when it first came out. I
hope they get the funding they need in order to take a closer look.
Obviously, it's fun to speculate on what this very odd shap
>From Terry,
> Probably not the MF; but, this one:
>
> "Using side-scan sonar, the team found a 60-meter diameter
> cylinder-shaped object, with a rigid tail 400 meters long."
>
> We have not seen the image. A cylinder 18 stories high by four
> football fields long? I know it's not Rama; but, th
>From Alan:
> McKubre's response at
> http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/McKubreM4/20111210McKubreResponse.shtml
...
McKubre states:
> People sometimes question the value a "traditional" scientific
> education but this case highlights one of its clear benefits. Poor
> Steve simply does not know wha
Jones,
Interesting SA article.
I seem to recall scholar/archeologist Zecharia Sitchin speculating on
the premise that the Sumerian civilization was influenced by an
amphibian race of beings. Sitchin was a prolific author. He rote
numerous scholarly books on his ET hypothesis. I haven't read any
Daniel sez:
> Well, he [Sitchi] was busted when dictionaries of sumerian
> were made widely available, including online. It seems he
> overused creative translation. But, who knows...
It's all a matter of interpretation, isn't it! ;-)
You say to-may-toe, I say to-mau-toe.
Too bad we can't ask t
Jones,
As a recovering dyslexic, it can be a challenge unpacking your memes,
especially when you're transmitting at IPv6 and I'm still chugging
along at IPv4.
I seem to recall that we have had similar discussions on the so-called
merits of "aliens" physically visiting our planet, versus a less-ri
Rossi watching can be fun.
Ya just don't know what he is going to say next.
Thanks for indulging us, Alan! Much appreciated. :-)
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
PESN had the following to say concerning the latest info on Rossi's
attempt to get adequate patent protection:
http://pesn.com/2012/02/02/9602025_E-Cat_Weekly_February2/
*
* Patents
- On January 17, 2012, T.O. wrote: "I have a very
Terry sez:
> INAL = me no lawyer. I meant IANAL but, geeze, I'm not anally retentive
> either.
When I first saw "INAL" I immediately went to an online acronym finder
to decipher what Terry was saying cuz I really didn't have a clue.
See:
http://www.acronymfinder.com/INAL.html
"INAL" stands for
PS:
"INAL" could also stand for "I need a life".
Try substituting that for interpreting what Terry really meant to say
Just trying to give Terry a hard time. >;-b
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
>From James,
> An executive has fiduciary responsibility to his stockholders.
>This means he must pursue due diligence regarding the protection
> of the assets of the company. Since the USPTO has made the
> patentability status of "cold fusion" claims unclear, for Rossi to
> expose his trade secr
For an interesting change of pace, try entering in a few other key
words, like "New Energy Times" and "Widom Larsen"
http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=%22new%20energy%20times%22&cmpt=q
It would seem NET's 20 minutes of fame may be coming to a close. This
suggests to me that Mr.Krivit will
> More info:
>
> http://www.phillipscompany.4t.com/HYDROGEN.html
>
> "The information below described a new catalyst, CC, that requires zero
> energy input once the reaction is started and heated to 180F. After that,
> hydrogen is produced for as long as fuel (water and aluminum) are provided."
>
>From David:
> I would also take a second look at the net process energy balance.
> If aluminum is required as fuel, you would be in big trouble as it
> takes a lot of energy to obtain the fuel. Years ago I made H gas by
> putting lye and water into a jar with aluminum foil. My friends and I
>
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