Re: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda

2005-11-17 Thread rudy
> I would optimize their website, > submit it to search engines, etc. > and they would pay me > only if they got results. your first order of business is to write the clause for the contract that stipulates how to measure these "results" in a non-subjective manner rudy • The WDVL Discu

RE: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda

2005-11-17 Thread Jon Haworth
Riva, > Someone has approached me with a proposal: I would optimize > their website, submit it to search engines, etc. and they would > pay me only if they got results. Define "results"... if the target is to get your client a top ten listing on Google for a search on "real estate", you coul

Re: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda

2005-11-17 Thread Franni Vincent
Hi all, Someone has approached me with a proposal: I would optimize their website, submit it to search engines, etc. and they would pay me only if they got results. I am not sure if I am going to do this yet or not, but I was wondering if anyone could point me to a website of someone else wh

Re: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda

2005-11-17 Thread rudy
> ... click through rate for banner ads - > for every person that clicks through from your > website, they pay you x amount. you need to specify who measures this, and what the rate is > They feel that if they get traffic to their site > it won't matter what it looks like that is true, but t

Re: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda

2005-11-17 Thread Portman
Thanks Franni. I am not worried about being paid - one of the guys I know really well, but you are right - they are looking for someone to work for free. If (big IF) I did this I would make a very clear cut contract for them to sign. Is this even worth my while? Riva Franni Vincent wrote:

RE: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda

2005-11-17 Thread Jon Haworth
Riva, > They feel that if they get traffic to their site it won't > matter what it looks like - I don't know if I agree with that. I think your client is wrong. If I'm looking to buy a widget, I'll visit a bunch of widget-selling sites. At each one I'll expect to be able to find the particula

Re: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda

2005-11-17 Thread Portman
I agree Jon. They sell replacement windows. The website (for those who are interested) is www.zenwindows.com. The guy told me that they are not having a lot of people fill out their online form. Well, it took me a few minutes to find the link to it!! Thanks, Riva Jon Haworth wrote: I th

RE: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda

2005-11-17 Thread Gerenday, Perry (P.)
om: Portman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:29 AM > To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com > Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda > > > I agree Jon. They sell replacement windows. The website > (for those who > are interested)

Re: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda

2005-11-17 Thread Portman
Thank you! I agree 100%. Riva Gerenday, Perry (P.) wrote: >You might ask them to have someone objectively review their site. >It comes across as unprofessional to me. >I found four typos while reading just two pages. >Additionally, the homepage content is hard to understand. >They have a link cl

Re: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda

2005-11-17 Thread Peter MacGregor
At 16:09 17/11/2005, you wrote: Is this even worth my while? Well, I suppose if you are sitting at home wondering where the next buck is coming from it might be better than getting bored stiff! Otherwise forget it is my advice - contract or no. Once you've done there'll be another somewher

Re: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda

2005-11-17 Thread Franni Vincent
Only you can judge that, Riva - I've spent most of my admin time this week chasing a 'missing' one-third upfront payment allegedly sent from a client in Hong Kong a week ago, so I'm probably just taking a more pessimistic view than usual... Franni Thanks Franni. I am not worried about bei

Re: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda

2005-11-17 Thread Portman
The guy told me that there was a company that they were looking in to that charges $3500 up front, $1000 per month and the $3500 is refundable if they don't get results in 6 months, but that is still $6000 for nothing. Thanks for the advice. Riva Peter MacGregor wrote: Well, I suppose if you

Re: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda

2005-11-17 Thread PBC Web Design
At 09:35 AM 11/17/2005, you wrote: Someone has approached me with a proposal: I would optimize their website, submit it to search engines, etc. and they would pay me only if they got results. I am not sure if I am going to do this yet or not, but I was wondering if anyone could point me to a

Re: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda

2005-11-17 Thread Portman
Thanks Deb. I am not going to do it. It is hard enough when you do a website for someone who doesn't understand why this happened or why you can't do that . . . (I once had a client not pay me the full amount because a few people complained that they couldn't get to her website. She didn't

RE: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda

2005-11-17 Thread Steven Olson
> They feel that if they get traffic to their site > it won't matter what it looks like I think they're crazy to say this. For something as common as windows, a prospect will comparison shop. A bad website = lack of credibility. Their site is not good. FWIW, I would close the tab on this sit

Re: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda

2005-11-17 Thread Portman
Thanks Steven. I remember getting into an e-discussion about websites on a soaping e-mail group. One person claimed that it didn't matter if there were spelling mistakes or typos on her site, it was the product that people came for. I countered that typos and spelling mistakes make a stateme

Re: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda

2005-11-17 Thread Joseph Harris
- From: Portman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:29 AM To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda I agree Jon. They sell replacement windows. The website (for those who are interested) is www.zenwindows.com. The guy t

RE: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda

2005-11-17 Thread Gerenday, Perry (P.)
mmunications Visteon, Nashville Glass Plant 615.350.7656 > -Original Message- > From: Joseph Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 1:06 PM > To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com > Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda > > &g

Re: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda

2005-11-18 Thread Alex Beston
hi List my first post btw... IMO, if you have someone whos approached you in this way, I would start getting a bit nervous. If you havent read this, it may be worth a look. http://andybudd.com/archives/2005/05/10_bad_project_warning_signs/ so if you immediately feel a tad sweaty about it, be

Re: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda

2005-11-18 Thread Portman
Hi Alex, Welcome to the list! Thank you for the URL. I actually wrote to the guy last night and told him I was not going to do the project. I also sent him some snippets of the list's comments about the site. He wrote back that he appreciated my honesty and would pass the feedback on to th

Re:[wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda

2005-11-18 Thread Furry, Tim
Riva wrote: I remember getting into an e-discussion about websites on a soaping e-mail group. One person claimed that it didn't matter if there were spelling mistakes or typos on her site, it was the product that people came for. I countered that typos and spelling mistakes make a statement about t

Re: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda

2005-11-18 Thread Portman
Dear Hardnose Tim ;-) , The fact that so many programs have spell checkers today makes it even more inexcusable. I heard from a HR person once that, when they post a job, if any of the resumes have typos or spelling mistakes on them (in the cover letter), they don't even bother looking at the

Re: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda

2005-11-22 Thread Alex Beston
Portman wrote: Hi Alex, Welcome to the list! hey, thanks! :) Thank you for the URL. np [snip] I feel much better turning him down. result! A. • The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM • To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface