Re: [web2py] Re: Say hello to pyStack.com

2010-12-19 Thread Branko Vukelic
one with its own access > level set) so you can see how much can the system be controlled. > Thanks again. Sounds good. I was just about to 'complain' about missing openID authentication. :) Looking good, though. It's a great first step. -- Branko Vukelic branko

Re: [web2py] Re: Powertable remarks

2010-12-17 Thread Branko Vukelic
h. web2py has the best data access > layer for working with this library. > > I am working on dict, Json, XMl parser to work server side, I am sure it > will be a good option for grids in web2py applications. > > somebody knows who created jQgrid and webgrid plugin? > >

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-17 Thread Branko Vukelic
very similar to BSD but forces users who distribute modified versions > to spell in detail the changes they make. That should be sufficient to > discourage forks but not to discourage people to use it in commercial > products. You were one step in front of me. :) +1 -- Branko Vukelic

Re: [web2py] Re: delicious is closing

2010-12-17 Thread Branko Vukelic
will happen. they are running now to upgrade their Vm's > > Nice! hope this come back soon. > > 2010/12/17 Branko Vukelic > > > Hehe, yeah. Should've seen it coming. :D > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: Tomeu > > > Se

Re: [web2py] Re: delicious is closing

2010-12-17 Thread Branko Vukelic
rts" who use Delicious for ranking optimization > > will have a lot of work on their hands these days :) > > > > Yahooo should have sold the service rather than close it, IMHO. -- Branko Vukelic branko.vuke...@gmx.com http://www.brankovukelic.com/ http://flickr.com/photos/foxbunny

Re: [web2py] Powertable remarks

2010-12-17 Thread Branko Vukelic
loaded from any kind of source. You can ping your server, or you can use a JSONP service, or XML, whatever you want. Tehcnically, you could write a model that parses HTML pages and extracts data from them. There's no need to adapt your server to qooxdoo thanks to this. -- Branko V

Re: [web2py] Powertable remarks

2010-12-17 Thread Branko Vukelic
rself. http://demo.qooxdoo.org/current/demobrowser/#table~Table_Remote_Model.html -- Branko Vukelic branko.vuke...@gmx.com http://www.brankovukelic.com/ http://flickr.com/photos/foxbunny

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-16 Thread Branko Vukelic
> - Original Message - > From: Anthony > Sent: 12/17/10 04:22 AM > To: web2py-users > Subject: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it... > So, at least one advantage of BSD is it doesn't require all this > "clearing up". ;) How nice... -- Branko V

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-16 Thread Branko Vukelic
s a whole, with GPLv2 + commercial exception, you don't even have to do that, unless you've modified web2py somehow, or used pieces of it in your application code (where 'pieces of it' excludes the welcome app). -- Branko Vukelic branko.vuke...@gmx.com http://www.brankovukelic.com/ http://flickr.com/photos/foxbunny

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-16 Thread Branko Vukelic
> - Original Message - > From: Anthony > Sent: 12/17/10 02:30 AM > To: web2py-users > Subject: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it... > > On Dec 16, 6:14 pm, "Branko Vukelic" wrote: > > Reading the full text of the Apache license, I think dual-lice

Re: [web2py] delicious is closing

2010-12-16 Thread Branko Vukelic
cious had a baby: Zootool« > > 2010/12/16 Bruno Rocha > > > Zoo Tool has tags, friends and plugins for firefox and chrome. it also can > > tag individual images, videos, audio etc from web. I really like it. > > > > 2010/12/16 Branko Vukelic > > &g

Re: [web2py] delicious is closing

2010-12-16 Thread Branko Vukelic
an > tag individual images, videos, audio etc from web. I really like it. > > 2010/12/16 Branko Vukelic > > > Let's not forget the awesome AND supported firefox plugin. <3 > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: Albert Abril > > >

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-16 Thread Branko Vukelic
py lean. As it gets more popular is > there a concern that more people will lean on Massimo to add bloat? That > would definitely be unfortunate. At that point, I'd just conclude it's become too popular for its own good. But I doubt Massimo would just add in any kind o

Re: [web2py] delicious is closing

2010-12-16 Thread Branko Vukelic
ability (bookmarklet, nice ui). > > this *was* the success of delicious IMHO. > > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Branko Vukelic > wrote: > > > Does it do tagging? I really liked the way delicious bmarks can be tagged > > and all... > > > > > - Or

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-16 Thread Branko Vukelic
th BSD. It's the price of having too many hands involved in the process without an adequate system to ensure quality. -- Branko Vukelic branko.vuke...@gmx.com http://www.brankovukelic.com/ http://flickr.com/photos/foxbunny

Re: [web2py] delicious is closing

2010-12-16 Thread Branko Vukelic
or bookmarking > http://zootool.com/user/rochacbruno/ > > 2010/12/16 Branko Vukelic > > > Damn! I have a shitload of bookmarks there... :( > > > > Anyway, yeah, go for it! You can advertise as "The next Delicious" > > > > > - Original M

Re: [web2py] delicious is closing

2010-12-16 Thread Branko Vukelic
> I'm using delicious from long time ago. > Today I read that yahoo will close delicious soon. > It's time to migrate to my own bookmark app, question is.. there's a > bookmark application wrote in web2py, should I start one? :D > > Kind regards! > > > --

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-16 Thread Branko Vukelic
. If it does not (like GPL2 does not). > > I have no objection to move to GPL3. > > Yet that does not help in clarifying the web2py license. > > As a hypothetical question. Who here would oppose to moving to BSD or > MIT or other more permissive license? > > Massim

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-16 Thread Branko Vukelic
ise a bit incompatible. Or did I miss something? -- Branko Vukelic branko.vuke...@gmx.com http://www.brankovukelic.com/ http://flickr.com/photos/foxbunny

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-16 Thread Branko Vukelic
ted out that GPLv3 could be an improvement over GPLv2. It closed many of the loopholes, and also became more compatible with other licenses such as MIT and BSD 3-clause. That's, I think, important since some libs do have code from those two licenses. -- Branko Vukelic brank

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-16 Thread Branko Vukelic
? If you understand that GPL is there to protect the freeness of the software, and that's why web2py uses it, then this discussion is pointless. -- Branko Vukelic branko.vuke...@gmx.com http://www.brankovukelic.com/ http://flickr.com/photos/foxbunny

Re: [web2py] Vote in web2py for PyCon 2011 Tutorials

2010-12-16 Thread Branko Vukelic
at PyCon 2011. Which of these topics would > > be the most useful for you? If tutorials were held on all these topics, > > which ones would you or your organization pay to attend? > > > > > > https://spreadsheets0.google.com/viewform?formkey=dF9wdHV0SHhMLWVKV1MzX0h

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-15 Thread Branko Vukelic
assimo has _chosen_ GPL with an intent, and that GPL aligns with that intent. Do I need to go on? -- Branko Vukelic branko.vuke...@gmx.com http://www.brankovukelic.com/ http://flickr.com/photos/foxbunny

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-15 Thread Branko Vukelic
> - Original Message - > From: Anthony > Sent: 12/15/10 10:54 PM > To: web2py@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it... > I like GPL plus a (clarified) exception, but I wouldn't exactly say pbreit's > concerns are invalid. There clearly is some history of confu

Re: [web2py] RMS about Chrome OS and Cloud Computing

2010-12-15 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Michele Comitini wrote: > RMS being quite rough as usual, but in the end he has some good > points... think twice before using web2py on GAE!! :-D > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/dec/14/chrome-os-richard-stallman-warning > He's been saying that

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-15 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:07 PM, pbreit wrote: > It's clear that GPL scares off potential users. That bug is already marked invalid. You'd have to give us a stack trace if you want to reopen it, and preferably attach a working patch. Please also note the version of web2py that you are using. --

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-15 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 7:25 PM, pbreit wrote: > Sorry but this requires a response. I was kind of hoping it did not, but there you go... > You'd have to prove some sort of unintended circumstance to No! YOU would have to give us a CONCRETE case where GPL+exception setup may prevent someone ado

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-15 Thread Branko Vukelic
Don't start this discussion again. :) It's already soft-of decided that web2py will remain GPL. On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Wikus van de Merwe wrote: > Why GPL is discouraging users? Is it the case that Drupal, Wordpress > or Joomla have no users? They are all released on GPL terms. Moreover

Re: [web2py] Re: administrator controller

2010-12-15 Thread Branko Vukelic
Wasn't Thadeus working on this, though? With a public API so it can integrate into admin, and all the bells and whistles. On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 5:28 AM, mdipierro wrote: > If we can repurpose Martin's app and he is willing to maintain it, > that would be the best solution. > > I can also split

Re: [web2py] Simple debugger

2010-12-14 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Lorin Rivers wrote: > ipython web2py.py -a 1234 -i 127.0.0.1 -p 8000 ipython != ipdb ipdb is an embedded shell + debugger. ipython is just a shell. I used to be able to use the ipython's embedded shell in my projects, but that didn't work in some situations, so

Re: [web2py] Simple debugger

2010-12-14 Thread Branko Vukelic
ython web2py -a mumble -p 8000 -i 127.0.0.1") > > Thanks! > > On Dec 13, 2010, at 23:13 , Branko Vukelic wrote: > >> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Bruno Rocha wrote: >>> Someone else has any debug tip or advice for sharing? >> >> I used this: http:

Re: [web2py] Re: Simple debugger

2010-12-14 Thread Branko Vukelic
I absolutely prefer ipdb for debugging and Vim for editing. The combo is unbeatable. :) Try splitting the buffer in Netbeans or Aptana. In Vim, it's just ``:split``. :) I love this editor. <3 -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog: http://www.brankovuk

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-14 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 5:06 PM, VP wrote: > I am happy with what Massimo intends web2py's license to be.  I think > a lot of people are too.  App developers should not have to worry > about the licensing issues.  I think the license should be precise and > concise.  Further because it combines tw

Re: [web2py] grid

2010-12-14 Thread Branko Vukelic
PowerTable? ;) On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Bruno Rocha wrote: > To avoid confusion and to avoid problems with the author's old plugin for > DataTables. http://web2py.com/plugins/default/datatable > > I decided to rename the plugin, and I am in doubt, what about? > MagicTable, MagicGrid, Smar

Re: [web2py] Re: Simple debugger

2010-12-14 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:32 AM, weheh wrote: > I want to go to Eclipse but didn't succeed in getting it to install & > run the first time through. Have you tried NetBeans? It's goot support for Python (still beta), and it wasn't so bad the last time I tried. Although I now use Vim with RopeVim,

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-13 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:55 AM, Anthony wrote: > Sounds good. Though ideally we would get some expert advice at some point. Agreed. -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog: http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio: http://www.flickr.com/ph

Re: [web2py] Simple debugger

2010-12-13 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Bruno Rocha wrote: > Someone else has any debug tip or advice for sharing? I used this: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/ipdb All the IPython goodness + pdb-style debugging. You get auto-complete and command history, too. ;) -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com s

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-13 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Anthony wrote: > The FSF has a different agenda from people who want to distribute their > web2py applications closed source. GPL plus exceptions certainly works, but However, FSF's agenda also aligns with that of Massimo and some of us, contributors. We DO go by

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-13 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 4:14 AM, Graham Dumpleton wrote: > They may have clarified it then. I am only going by what problems I knew > came up many many many years ago, ie., early 90s. However, web2py is still using GPLv2 :P That ought to be fixed. GPLv3 is both more liberal about some things, and

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-13 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 2:15 AM, Graham Dumpleton wrote: > it being a part of the library. Thus technically the template code may be > construed as ending up as part of your application. FSF specifically allows this in LGPL, if I'm not mistaken: "The object code form of an Application may incorp

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-13 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:33 PM, pbreit wrote: > Unless there is a move away from GPL, I don't think it's worthwhile to split Absolutely. You do not have to discuss the LGPL/GPL licensing issue if it offends you so much. Especially if you cannot refrain from name-calling during the process. --

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-13 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Anthony wrote: > intellectual property attorney with open source experience. Maybe it's not > worth the bother/cost right now, though. First, technically, GPL license is totally ok if we look at web2py on its own. It gets the job done. Releasing web2py under LGPL

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-13 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Wikus van de Merwe wrote: > So as you see, the GPL alone as well as the special case of licensing of > web2py and application written for it is quite complex. I believe we all > would benefit from having all this explained in a separate section of the > website, to

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-13 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Anthony wrote: > On Monday, December 13, 2010 8:38:12 AM UTC-5, Branko Vukelic wrote: > Sorry, I missed this post. Would you mind sending the exact question you > asked and the full response from GNU? I'm surprised because I would think a >

Re: [web2py] Re: manual login-form

2010-12-13 Thread Branko Vukelic
Bruno, is there something like {{=authform.children}} to render all the interior without the tags? On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Bruno Rocha wrote: > form.elements()[0].attributes['_id'] and form.attributes['_id'] get/set the > same value. > > 2010/12/13 Bruno Rocha >> >> You can try this: >

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-13 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Branko Vukelic wrote: >Your app is GPL-free anyway Because of the exception, to be precise, not according to GPL. -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog: http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio: h

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-13 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Anthony wrote: > Hmm, I thought it was just the opposite -- people like MIT/BSD because they > don't place any restrictions on how you license a modified/derived work. So, > you can take an MIT/BSD licensed program, modify/combine it, and then > release the modifie

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-13 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Anthony wrote: > Yes, LGPL (I think) allows the exception to distribute the source along with > an application that links/imports the source. I was talking about the other > web2py exception, which allows distribution of the binaries without the > source at all (i.

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-13 Thread Branko Vukelic
ibution of web2py apps and does not violate GPL. On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Branko Vukelic wrote: > On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Anthony wrote: >> source and freeware for binaries) rather than "LGPL with a commercial >> exception" (which could lead to co

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-13 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Anthony wrote: > source and freeware for binaries) rather than "LGPL with a commercial > exception" (which could lead to confusion and concern). LGPL _is_ the commercial exception. That's why they call it "lesser". :) -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu.

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-13 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:00 AM, mdipierro wrote: > 1) all web2py/*.py and web2py/gluon/*py files are LPGL +1 > 2) all web2py/gluon/contrib/* files are LGPL unless specified +1 > otherwise (MIT or BSD are possible for third party contributions) 3rd party contributions that were released as MI

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-12 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:46 AM, mdipierro wrote: > imported module are distributed with the compiled app (case 1). It is > not linking if the py or pyc modules are not distributed together > (case 2). In case 2 the GPL does not apply. Case 1 is not allowed by > the GPL and that is why have the co

Re: [web2py] Re: SEO Tips & How this can be applied in web2py apps?

2010-12-12 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:29 AM, Michael McGinnis wrote: > Those are good ideas. Automatically appending the site name at the end > of each title might be helpful. Or copying the first paragraph as a > fall-back meta-description (not so sure about that one). Or inserting > dynamic keywords for eac

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-12 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:53 AM, LightDot wrote: > and all), but I've never seen it or done it. Which is also the point of MIT. And exactly why massimo insists on GPL, which forbids this. > So if the end result is the same (one can freely produce open or closed > source applications, modules, et

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-12 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:36 AM, Graham Dumpleton wrote: > As such, you can't rely on what you quote above. The only way is an > exception statement to the GPL and even then that would need to be very > carefully worded. In all this you really need a lawyer to look at the > situation and draft tha

Re: [web2py] Re: anybody use the web2py IRC chat?

2010-12-12 Thread Branko Vukelic
Take a deep breath. :) On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:32 PM, weheh wrote: > Yah, this group is wonderfully fast. Occasionally I get desperate, > though ... ;-) > > On Dec 12, 9:18 am, Branko Vukelic wrote: >> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 8:48 AM, weheh wrote: >> > Just cur

Re: [web2py] Re: Test for null not in a form

2010-12-12 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 1:51 AM, Lorin Rivers wrote: > As far as I can tell, the only place null is mentioned in the DAL page is in > the definition of tables. None means NULL in Python, though. -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog: http://www.bran

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-12 Thread Branko Vukelic
This may also be relevant: Q. In what cases is the output of a GPL program covered by the GPL too? A. Only when the program copies part of itself into the output. -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog: http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portf

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-12 Thread Branko Vukelic
nal question. You do not violate GPL by having import statements in your code, as you can safely detach your code from web2py and reattach to another copy running somewhere else. On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:08 AM, Branko Vukelic wrote: > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097742/ > > On Mon, Dec 1

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-12 Thread Branko Vukelic
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097742/ On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 2:01 AM, mdipierro wrote: > Yes. The GPL prevents users from make a CLOSED SOURCE better > derivative of the framework. That is exactly what this community wants > to protect against. That is something that can kill an open source > pro

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-12 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 7:21 PM, mdipierro wrote: > I think we should close this discussion. It is not going anywhere. > The license of web2py is not up for discussion. +1 -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog: http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check ou

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-12 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 6:39 PM, pbreit wrote: > But as you say, BSD/MIT are better for users. He didn't say that. -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog: http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio: http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Re

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-12 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 5:08 PM, pbreit wrote: > Are there any advantages of GPL (with respect to "frameworks")? It depends. -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog: http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fox

Re: [web2py] anybody use the web2py IRC chat?

2010-12-12 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 8:48 AM, weheh wrote: > Just curious. I don't use it, but I probably would if I thought I > could get a fast response from an expert. Don't worry, you'll get answers here fast enough. -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog: htt

Re: [web2py] BUTTON helper

2010-12-12 Thread Branko Vukelic
Not the same as . Buttons are easier to style in general, and there's a good reason why it's used instead of or clicked")')   ? > > 2010/12/12 weheh >> >> I know this has come up before, but I found myself wondering why >> web2py doesn't have a BUTTON helper? Sure seems like it would be >> usefu

Re: [web2py] Re: BUTTON helper

2010-12-12 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 8:55 AM, weheh wrote: > To be more explicit, I think BUTTON is good for newbies -- it's just > so obvious and convenient. Now TAG.BUTTON ... yes, I like TAG, but I'm > not used to thinking about it. I guess that makes me a newbie, still. STRONG helper is also missing, btw.

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-12 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Branko Vukelic wrote: > platform, mind you. GPL strictly covers the code that you have > _received_ not the one you've produced yourself. Speaking of which, many developers use Linux, and many more sites are served off Linux boxes. And Linux is GP

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-12 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 11:09 AM, LightDot wrote: > Has this scenario been looked over by a lawyer? Any such document would > enable us to put customers at ease. It's a no brainer. The license covers the platform, not the code written _using_ that platform. It's not like Microsoft EULA and other

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-12 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 9:51 AM, pbreit wrote: >>> 1. GPL is more objectionable than BSD/MIT > >> Both GPL and BSD are not well suited to template code, that's the point. > > So which one would you suggest? It's already been suggested (with a minor wording problem). Look at the other posts in the

Re: [web2py] Re: Scalability of web2py?

2010-12-11 Thread Branko Vukelic
t;     start_response('200 OK', [('Content-Type', 'text/plain')]) >> > >>     return ['Hello, World!\r\n'] >> > >> > >> if __name__=='__main__': >> > >>     if True: >> > >>        r=Rocket((&

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-11 Thread Branko Vukelic
I think it's better to just remove the favicon. Having a default logo is just as bad as having a web2py logo. On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 5:13 AM, Bruno Rocha wrote: > we can have a different favicon following the different logo that welcome > has. @branko can suggest one? > 2010/12/12 Anthony >> >>

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-11 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 1:02 AM, pbreit wrote: > For what it's worth, I believe the following is accurate: > 1. GPL is more objectionable than BSD/MIT Both GPL and BSD are not well suited to template code, that's the point. > 2. Frameworks tend not to use GPL So? -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-11 Thread Branko Vukelic
license. >> > I will add a statement to the top of each .py file in the welcome app. >> >> > Massimo >> >> > On Dec 11, 2:52 pm, Branko Vukelic wrote: >> > > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:49 PM, VP wrote: >> > > > My understanding is t

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-11 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:49 PM, VP wrote: > My understanding is this.   The apps that you develop with Web2py does > not have to be GPL, and can be licensed in any way you want.  (I am > unsure if this violates GPL's terms or not, but this is what I think > how web2py's licensing permits). > > Wh

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-11 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:23 PM, G. Clifford Williams wrote: > Thanks I appreciate that and I'll surely take you up on that it I think it'll > help me win one of these battles. > > The bottom line is that many commercial entities frown on GPL licensed > software. Legal departments go ape when so

Re: [web2py] Re: User login in jquery colorbox

2010-12-11 Thread Branko Vukelic
. [1] http://programming.top54u.com/Samples/Javascript/Location-Object/Location-Replace/Default.aspx On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Branko Vukelic wrote: > Yes exactly. The login should wait for a return value, and do the > redirect itself. The server side should issue a redirect only

Re: [web2py] Re: User login in jquery colorbox

2010-12-11 Thread Branko Vukelic
Yes exactly. The login should wait for a return value, and do the redirect itself. The server side should issue a redirect only if it knows it's not an ajax request. On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Luther Goh Lu Feng wrote: > Yes, you are clearer now. I don't know the answer but maybe your login

Re: [web2py] Re: it case you missed it...

2010-12-11 Thread Branko Vukelic
As long as it's not Affero GPL, they really have nothing to worry about. I acutally like GPL more than BSD and other crap. Viral licenses are much better for upstream. On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:17 PM, mdipierro wrote: > are you talking about the web2py license? Why would a client care? > Web2py i

Re: [web2py] it case you missed it...

2010-12-09 Thread Branko Vukelic
Frankly, DAL is the only thing that kept me from really digging into web2py. I just cannot wrap my brain around it. Could be some malfunction on my part, but still. I'm much happier typing away SQL or having wrapper functions that work almost as if you're typing SQL. The perfect thing for me was we

Re: [web2py] Re: Interesting fights

2010-12-09 Thread Branko Vukelic
s/eihkb/web2py_application_exhibition_version_20/ >> >> On Monday, December 6, 2010 8:27:41 PM UTC-5, Anthony wrote: >> >> > > On Dec 6, 7:51 pm, Branko Vukelic wrote: >> > >> Oooh, someone's going legal: >> > >> > >&g

Re: [web2py] Re: when to use ajax

2010-12-06 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 3:26 AM, Phyo Arkar wrote: > Thanks man! > > i am now going to build a mockup of my app using it! No problem. Good luck! -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog: http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio: http://www.fl

Re: [web2py] Re: Interesting fights

2010-12-06 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 2:27 AM, Anthony wrote: >> > On Dec 6, 7:51 pm, Branko Vukelic wrote: >> >> Oooh, someone's going legal: >> >> >> "For example suing pyjamas." -- Massimo >> >> > For the record, Redditors, just a typo (

Re: [web2py] Re: Interesting fights

2010-12-06 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 2:06 AM, Anthony wrote: > On Dec 6, 7:51 pm, Branko Vukelic wrote: >> Oooh, someone's going legal: >> >> "For example suing pyjamas." -- Massimo > > For the record, Redditors, just a typo ("suing" --> "usin

Re: [web2py] Re: Interesting fights

2010-12-06 Thread Branko Vukelic
; [1] > http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/edvws/an_often_asked_question_to_which_i_still_dont/c17mxpx > > > > On Dec 6, 11:57 am, Branko Vukelic wrote: >> http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=python+programm...http://www.googlefight.com/index.p

Re: [web2py] Re: Interesting fights

2010-12-06 Thread Branko Vukelic
Nothing scientific. It's just you know... a 'haha' thing. ;) On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 6:58 PM, mdipierro wrote: > based on what? > > On Dec 6, 10:57 am, Branko Vukelic wrote: >> http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=python+programm...http://www.go

Re: [web2py] Re: when to use ajax

2010-12-06 Thread Branko Vukelic
Sry, the API docs link was from my home server. :P Here's the correct url: http://demo.qooxdoo.org/1.2.x/apiviewer/#qx.ui.embed.Html On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Branko Vukelic wrote: > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 6:24 AM, Phyo Arkar wrote: >> I use features as needed in each p

Re: [web2py] Re: when to use ajax

2010-12-06 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 6:24 AM, Phyo Arkar wrote: > I use features as needed in each pages. If i can figure out  a way to > put jqgrid to work hell , i will use full qxd ! http://qx/api/#qx.ui.embed.Html This allows you to create an HTML element you need in order to attach jqgrid. -- Branko Vu

[web2py] Interesting fights

2010-12-06 Thread Branko Vukelic
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=python+programming&word2=ruby+programming http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=python+programming&word2=php+programming http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=web2py+web+framework&word2=web.py+web+framewok http://

Re: [web2py] Re: when to use ajax

2010-12-06 Thread Branko Vukelic
I've posted a question on qxd list about this, so I'll ping you when I get an answer. On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Branko Vukelic wrote: > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 6:24 AM, Phyo Arkar wrote: >> I use features as needed in each pages. If i can figure out  a way to >> pu

Re: [web2py] Re: when to use ajax

2010-12-06 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 6:24 AM, Phyo Arkar wrote: > I use features as needed in each pages. If i can figure out  a way to > put jqgrid to work hell , i will use full qxd ! That might be tricky. qxd doesn't set any usable attributes on HTML elements it creates, since all references are maintained

Re: [web2py] Re: when to use ajax

2010-12-05 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:20 AM, Phyo Arkar wrote: > So it seems that it will need to hack around pretty much to put jqGrid > inside one of the qooxdoo window. as jqGrid need an element with an id > which can be slected by jquery. What's the deal with jqGrid? There's a qxd grid, too. Maybe you cou

Re: [web2py] Re: when to use ajax

2010-12-05 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Phyo Arkar wrote: > I agree all the awesomeness and powerfulness of qxd but as i has been > spoiled by jQuery and i hated java with a passion [I had to use java > all previous years for a IP-Camera project ,i developed an UDP Hole > punching + UPNP firewall punching

Re: [web2py] Re: when to use ajax

2010-12-05 Thread Branko Vukelic
table is not even >> half of jqgrid capabilities. >> >> I just wish it would be really nice if qooxdoo will support jq's >> themeroller.. and it will be more than perfect! >> >> I am testing qooxdoo and going to put jqGrid and autocomplete plugins >

Re: [web2py] Re: Deploying a site powered by web2py.

2010-12-05 Thread Branko Vukelic
with >> - >> RewriteEngine On >> RewriteBase / >> RewriteRule ^web2py\.fcgi/ - [L] >> RewriteRule ^(.*)$ web2py.fcgi/$1 [L] >> - >> >> I have added routes.py which you can look at >> here:http://scadzombies.org/documents/routes.py &

Re: [web2py] Re: Scalability of web2py?

2010-12-05 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Phyo Arkar wrote: > If this become a langauge war: > > Erlang have many scability advantages , yes , but Langauge Looks > horrible!! almost as readable as C (in my opinion) Erlang is not just a language. When I say Erlang, I mean Erlang/OTP, and OTP is a huge gener

Re: [web2py] Re: Deploying a site powered by web2py.

2010-12-04 Thread Branko Vukelic
Check the server logs. That usually means there's a bug in your scripts. On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 3:40 AM, RyaneD wrote: > I fixed the second problem but the first remains. I had messed up in > my implementation of routes.py completely user error, forgot a > parenthesis. :P As the traceback says. >

Re: [web2py] Re: when to use ajax

2010-12-04 Thread Branko Vukelic
ratch jqui provide you all the stuff >> you need. It have very powerful CSS Framework. >> I found it very easy/productive to use, and themeroller rocks! >> >> On 12/5/10, Branko Vukelic wrote: >>> OMG! I'm definitely using this for admin2! I've just

Re: [web2py] Re: when to use ajax

2010-12-04 Thread Branko Vukelic
very powerful CSS Framework. > I found it very easy/productive to use, and themeroller rocks! > > On 12/5/10, Branko Vukelic wrote: >> OMG! I'm definitely using this for admin2! I've just started the Hello >> World tutorial. I can't believe the attention it's

Re: [web2py] Re: Scalability of web2py?

2010-12-04 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 1:59 AM, blackthorne wrote: > I've read it while ago. > The "problem" with that test is the number of processors. It takes a > high number of CPUs to bring Erlang benefits. Another 'problem' is that it's not about performance when it comes to Erlang. It's about overall robu

Re: [web2py] Re: when to use ajax

2010-12-04 Thread Branko Vukelic
OMG! I'm definitely using this for admin2! I've just started the Hello World tutorial. I can't believe the attention it's been given... /me drops jaw On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Branko Vukelic wrote: > Awesome feature set. > > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 11:31 PM

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