Re: WO to go openSource?

> When does Apple drop the second shoe? They said they are working > with OpenSource, etc., and will have an announcement again... soon? Most likely what Daryl was referring to in that reference was that Apple provided several documents explaining and clarifying file formats and ambiguities along

Re: Xcode 2.4 Deprecation Announcements

Subject: RE: Xcode 2.4 Deprecation Announcements ... Additionally, we will be providing assistance to the community in the form of specifications, example code, and other contributions that will further bolster existing and new open source tools. Maybe I missed something: Was there any public

Re: Community Wish List [WO Builder Replacement]

Hello, I just tried to collect the ideas of the past few days here: http://www.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOL/WO+Builder+Ideas and http://www.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOL/WO+Builder+Tasks The second page is mostly empty at this time for obvious reasons...I hope this will chang

Re: Community Wish List

Hello, So WOBuilder... maybe we should create a fund for it? James That was an idea I was going to post :) Sure we can wait for Apple to release more information as announced in their e-mail. So there is a wishlist - as mbj already started - where everyone might collect their top wishes - or

Re: A back door to get our Apps back?

Start working on a WOBuilder clone and get to point where you could release a version. Even version 0.0.1 would be fine. There's an editor for SOPE called WOEditor which may serve as some input for a 0.0.1... _ A SOPE template editor is available for Mac OS X, it's downloadable at: http://

Re: Chat integration

Hello, Thanks for the hint, but I was looking for a chat that runs inside the browser. If the user has install a client, we could use whatever we want. There are a few AJAX and Flash clients for XMPP /Jabber, most still in development. Flash ones don't work well with public Jabber servers beca

Re: About some links I would like to see in objectstyle.org

Hello David and everyone The link in question is this: http://www.cs.rit.edu/~ama7461/ms/ It is a thesis, comparing .NET to WO. It seems very updated November 2005 (WO 5.2 vs ASP.NET). It is very large, very detailed, it includes sources, ppt, reports, conclusions, etc. I added the link to t

Re: Looks like ThinkSecret got some of the scoop on WO from WWDC'06 [WO FAQ]

Hello David and everyone, Yes I know now. But Apple promotes WO, like if it needs a Tiger server to deploy. I was really confused about it. David Sanchez Deployment on other platforms (than OS X Server) was confusing. I tried to add the relevant links to the FAQ. Please see under section De

Re: Looks like ThinkSecret got some of the scoop on WO from WWDC'06

Seems like the rumor sites actually read this list. This article looks more accurate... http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1995 ...unless ThinkSecret really got the big scoop (?) Apparently, AppleInsider was also reading (and more than that :) the Wikipedia on WebObjects... ___ Despite

Re: WebObjects 5.4 going open source

They said that Apple would keep their patented stuff under wraps - well guess what? I'd guess that's the whole runtime, so what they were really talking about were the tools. Same facts, just weird spin. Valid argument. ThinkSecret may have mixed the tools news with the entire WO runtime - plu

Re: Looks like ThinkSecret got some of the scoop on WO from WWDC'06

Hello David and everyone again, Four people is too small. ThinkSecret is a rumor site, they could have this number or the entire rumor about WebObjects wrong. AppleInsider posted a similar rumor one year ago and nothing happened back then... http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1135 S

Re: Looks like ThinkSecret got some of the scoop on WO from WWDC'06

David, [Disclaimer: Following is a fun weekend rant, skip it if you are not in the mood for it] Of course they do. But for how long? Welcome to the World of WebObjects. You just learned rule 1. There are only 3 rules in total. 1# Apple, the creator, will no let the Community see its Crystal

Re: Looks like ThinkSecret got some of the scoop on WO from WWDC'06

Hello Jim (and David and everyone else), Oh, boy. Just when I stopped arguing on WebObjects-Talk on the very same topic started a few days ago :) (To repeat I'm in no way related to the article and have no inside knowledge whatsoever) I believe that as late as today WebObjects might find a lif

Re: Xcode 2.4 Deprecation Announcements [Entity Modeler]

The Entity Modeller plug-in for Eclipse is a good option. Mike has been doing some excellent work with that and has squashed most of the bugs. Just wanted to add a link because I remember seeing this a few weeks ago.. This is a post from Mike Schrag... http://objectstyle.org/woproject-old/l

Re: Xcode 2.4 Deprecation Announcements [correction]

- What is the best way to send *general* feedback to Apple about WebObjects ? Is it still webobjects.apple.com ? Uups, before anyone starts looking for this webpage :) It should say "[EMAIL PROTECTED] ?" of course. Marc ___ Do not post admin requests

Re: Xcode 2.4 Deprecation Announcements

Hello, We will work to assist the community where technical assistance or specifications are needed and have already been working with several open source projects. This will become public soon. WOCOM... I updated the page with the statement from Apple: http://www.objectstyle.org/confluence

Discussing opinions of Apple Statement

my plan is to donate it after the Apple statement... Important news break: The Apple statement is online. I repeat: The Apple statement is online :) http://lists.apple.com/archives/webobjects-dev/2006/Aug/msg01144.html Since I don't want to clutter this list reserved for WO development with st

Re: A back door to get our Apps back?

> Or how about WonderLand ?? or WonderLust? WonderLand would be really good IMO to describe the entire collection you described. Did you do that with Ruby on Rails ? - No, with Wonderland ! Keep it simple, WonderLips is the obvious winner. Isn't this too close to WOLips (and they don't wan

Re: A back door to get our Apps back?

Hello, Ruby on Rails just sounds better than WOLips and WOBuilder... Now Project Wonder >sounds great to me.. so I am thinking.. ... hmmm, WonderBuilder... sounds not so bad to me. WonderBuilderI really like this name. I think I read the people at WOLips understandably don't want to cha

[FUN] The WebObjects Statement

Hello, Allow me a last fun link I hit upon when collecting resources for the WO Wiki. The future, Dear WO Community ? That's right old pals, let's look to the future, all the way to the year 2000. The eagerly awaited WebObjects Statement TimeMachine edition... http://www.stepwise.com/Articles

Re: WO PR

Hello, I think "tone" is something that it is permissible to upgrade :-). Maybe the negative sounding statement(s) can be moved out of the introduction block to the proposed new "Disadvantages" section ? The WO Wikibook introduction sounds more neutral to me in comparison: http://en.wikibook

Re: WebObjects Foundation [Book publishing]

Hello, > The decision then just lies with the author(s) as to whether they > believe there will be enough demand for such material to > sufficiently remunerate them for their efforts. To my way of thinking, it is not a matter of a paper copy or of remuneration (writing a book is easily the leas

Wonder / WOLips Documentation

Hello, My concern, and the effort that I would like to contribute, is to make PW more accessible to developers who haven't made that commitment. I want to provide the random WO developer with the kind of documentation (and ease of access) that will first answer his/her up front questions (what I

Re: WO PR [and WO Wiki Marketing materials]

In my never ending (but started just last week) quest to spread WO graffiti throughout the world Coincidently, I was on a similar vendetta for the past hours :) My aim was to start two simple marketing pages. One geared towards decision makers/customers... http://www.objectstyle.org/confluen

Re: WebObjects Foundation [ Why we should try!?]

Hello, wodev had been absorbed by wikipedia (which I consider a nice move), so let us do a non-encyclopaedic wiki; just an informal one which announce to us the running projects' status, with their respective links. Janine just started such a page here... http://www.objectstyle.org/confluence

Re: WebObjects Foundation

Hello mbj, That would force us to collaborate from the very beginning (while better avoiding the trap of reproducing WO resource sites already available). I say we use Wonder 3 heavily for this (and document it as we use it). If you and others volunteer for this, all the better. That would be

Re: WO Community Web site

Hello, its sad that so many of us had to leave early on Friday so that we couldn't be in that picture. Just an idea related to that: The member info pages Pascal proposed could also work for individuals. Instead of a company logo, people could add their mug shot..er portrait picture if they

Re: WebObjects Foundation

Yes, of course. I didn't mean that we should build Wikis etc to use for the WebObjects Foundation. I'm relieved :) I meantmindshare is created by providing working solutions. Apache became a powerhouse because they built/supported a fully functional Showing how WOnderful WO is with working ap

Re: WebObjects Foundation

Just some thoughts after going through the archives of the past months and weeks for the new Wiki. My opinion would be to get things started and online instead of waiting for the perfect solution written in WebObjects. The Wiki is in place for editing projects and colleting ideas, thanks to Andr

Re: New WO Wiki started ! [Generic FAQ and Apple info pages added]

Hello, I added a new page for "projects currently underway" instead of adding it to the "future plans and ideas" page. Great, thanks. We also need to put some explanatory text on the home page, which currently says "This is the home page for the WOCommunity space. I added some basic text j

Re: XCode 2.3 --> XCode 2.4 [and WebObjects 5.3.2]

Hello, How are those release notes coming? Xcode 2.4: http://developer.apple.com/releasenotes/DeveloperTools/Xcode/Xcode.html WebObjects 5.3.2: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304041 An important part at the end. This was mentioned before, just to highlight it again... -

New WO Wiki started ! [Re: Lets Start doing it] - 2

http://www.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOCOM/WO+Resources+and+Ideas Update: Added a new page to collect feedback for Apple since I saw some feedback when going through the posts from the past weeks. ( Apple stated on various occasions there no WO marketing resources and I personally don'

New WO Wiki started ! [Re: Lets Start doing it]

Hello, Ok, following Pascal's post, I tried to get this effort started with 3 simple pages here http://www.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOCOM/WO+Resources+and+Ideas I simply browsed the lists and added the stuff from my bookmark lists as discussed before: 1. Links to existing WO content

Re: No announcement yet?

So Thursday is almost over and still no offical announcement about WebObjects? I guess when they say "next week" they really take ALL of next week. I recall "...next week or the week thereafter" so it might even take one more week, but it's coming. Marc

Re: Open source as the way some important software is developed

The next logical step (maybe I am dreaming) would be to create a clean room WO framework that is API-compatible with Apple's, reusing whatever open source code and J2EE environment possible. (regarding EOF - it should be fairly easy to bridge EOEditingContext with the current Cayenne stack, so cre

Re: whywebobjects.org - WWDC followup [and URLs]

Hello, We had talk about building a bigger site and integrating the content from WhyWebObjects to this site. Did you already decide on a URL ? If not, what about WebObjectsWorld.xyz or WoW! for short. Just an idea. [the exclamation mark would distinguish it from the popular game]. I'm worki

WOBuilder Value (and Web IDE) - 2

http://www.aptana.com/ Before I get hopes too high: There's no WYSIWYG editor yet. Marc ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Su

Re: WOBuilder Value (and Web IDE)

Whether a WO replacement is devised in the form of a Dreamweaver adjunct or smart tags >or something else, it is essential that a WOBuilder replacement is planned. Just about the possible Dreamweaver, GoLive etc. part of the equation in the WO Builder and general tag discussion. Aptana is cross

Re: WebObjects Foundation

Any talk of Google Adwords frightens me. How did you hear about ruby on rails ? python ? tapestry ? struts ? Was it that you stumbled on a Google Adword, or was it the buzz generated by the respective communities and the knock on reviews on cnet, slashdot and wired ? I agree here. As long WO is

Re: WebObjects Foundation

Hello, Great. I'm just adding my WO bookmark list to use to below.. - create some hype by going to conferences like O'Reilly's Web 2.0 so that we can show that WO is actually cool, but also better and more mature than solutions like PHP and Ruby On Rails In addition to conferences (updated)

Re: Webobjects-dev Digest, Vol 3, Issue 524

> Perhaps some of the Apple WO staff could determine how much of the > information announced today at WWDC can be shared with the other list > members? Someone asked this in the WebObjects Lab today. He was told a public statement is coming next week or the week after. Given the number of post

Re: Tutorial

Hello, If you can live with Windows for once [sorry :)] This one is really good, especially the export capabilities for tutorials including Flash: http://www.techsmith.com/camtasia.asp http://www.techsmith.com/camtasia/publish.asp Marc ___ Do not post

Re: looking for PA ...

I wonder if anyone on this list knows how to get in contact with PA Did you have other e-mail addresses to reach him ? I tried contacting him with a link to your post. Petite Abeille also might be interested in *heated* discussions on WO and toolset future given the news from last week. I just

Re: Marketing WO

Hello, - ask Apple to give WebObjects the same status it gives the rest of the product line Ah - you've hit the nail right on the head. WebObjects is no longer a product, it is a development tool. Do you ever see ads for CoreData or CoreImage? Completely agree with you. - But few updated

Re: Marketing WO

Hello, > *Sigh*, I appreciate your enthusiam...no sarcasm intended :) And I understand your skepticism! It's just that Apple hasn't moved regarding marketing WO actively in years. I'm more sceptic now because it's now under non-income generating "Tools". Even the "rest" of Xcode which is use

Re: Let's brainstorm - aka Hello Apple WO Marketing :)

Hello Janine, I'd like to see Apple add to their public WebObjects page so that we have something to point prospective clients to to show *Sigh*, I appreciate your enthusiam...no sarcasm intended :) I tried suggesting posting showcases to Apple about 5 years ago and at one time there was/is

Re: [Off Topic ] WWDC Eclipse help ? Apple Teams

Hello Arturo, Anyone have a link to the publicly available information on this Teams thing? http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/08/20060809153921.shtml and http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/leopard/ The iCalendar server |CalDAV standard] part is opensource at MacOSForge. PS: Except for some

Re: WOProject/WOLips first impressions from an Xcode user

Hello, We, just like you folks, are under no obligation to support open source initiatives, we all do >so for many different reasons but with this kind of attitude from this particular community >we certainly will no longer even try. While the replies' tone may sound a little grumpy [and I und

Re: WWDC & XCode 3

Hello, Not being at WWDC, I'm curious as to whether XCode 3 will support WebObjects? Found this on the Xcode mailing list. I think some news sites made it sound as if Xcode 3.0 was released today, but that is only coming for Leopard... __ [Chris Espinosa]: Xcode 2.4, an update to the Xcode

Re: FrontBase license now free!

Hello, (Disclaimer: We use Frontbase since version 1.2 and are very happy with it) About the license: Frontbase is indeed free now and the license is non-expiring, you just need to get the string from the website -> Buy -> Order License. (Frontbase changed the text on the website in the meantime

Re: WebObjects 5.3 + Linux licensing statemet

Hello Piotr and list, >I asked one more time about it and the replay was that even if it's possible to deploy using >Linux (and we all know that's quite simple to manage) >it's _not_legal_. Maybe Apple Europe was referring to WO 5.3, not WO 5.3.1 ? - The XCode 2.2 developer applies for WO 5.3.1

Re: WebObjects licensing still unclear / XCode 2.1 no longer available ?

> > First, XCode 2._1_ doesn't seem to be available any longer from > > connect.apple.com > > Please contact ADC () and ask them to > re-post 2.1. I've already asked them, but more voices can't hurt. You can > cite Radar 4343741 as your reason. I have done th

WebObjects licensing still unclear / XCode 2.1 no longer available ?

Hello, Since I posted the link to the the workaround / WO licensing, I got around a dozen (!) e-mails from people asking me (and no, I don't work at Apple, I simply participated int the discussion...) about the topic. I have two unresolved questions / proposals about the topic to the Apple people

Re: WebObjects Licensing

> Consult the mail-list archives for lots of discussion about this, > including some messages sent by Apple. The unsupported workaround from Apple for WO 5.3.1 deployment on other platforms can be found here: http://lists.apple.com/archives/webobjects-dev/2005/Dec/msg00193.html Still waiting fo

Re: WO development on MacTel iMac?

Hello, > > What about using my current development setup, where I run OSX > > Server 10.4.4 so that I can test deployment to the target server > > environment? According to this article, 10.4.4 Server doesn't work yet on Intel Macs: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303127 Maybe th

Re: Workaround: Deploy 5.3.1 on Other Platforms

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Re: Workaround: Deploy 5.3.1 on Other Platforms

We have the tried the workaround on WO 5.3.1 on other platforms using this workaround key. We tried Servlet Single Directory Deployment (SSDD) builds on Tomcat 5.5.12. However, we get the same error on Windows as when failing to include a key or giving a wrong key in OS X deployment: HTTP Status

Re: WO example sites

Hello, Another short list with well-known applications in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webobjects#Well_Known_Sites_Using_WebObjects As others pointed out earlier, an easy way to find is to google for 'cgi-bin/WebObjects' or similar for non-English sites: Europe: http://www.tvtv.de/c

Re: [Newbie] Lincensing of WO apps

Hello again, Forgot to provide a link: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/WebObjects/JSP_and_Servlets/index.html -> Servlets -> Servlet Single Directory Deployment I always say Single Servlet, the name above is too long for me...and this probably should all be moved to the deployment list

Re: [Newbie] Lincensing of WO apps

ms? Are you sure you > are REALLY using the 5.3.1 version of the framework? I ask this > because there is no oficial "installer" of the 5.3.1 components on > non-Mac systems... > >Yours > > Miguel Arroz > > On 2005/11/28, at 22:54, Marc Oesch wrote: > > >

Re: [Newbie] Lincensing of WO apps

Hello Stefan, Yes, while the 5.3.0 developer key seems to work for 5.3.1 deployments, I doubt this is the official way to do it. (Otherwise, why still include a deployment key which doesn't work ?) Apple is looking into the issue: http://lists.apple.com/archives/Webobjects-dev/2005/Nov//msg00353

Re: [Newbie] Lincensing of WO apps

Ken, >I really don't understand where there are doubts. The license specifically says you can use the >Development license to deploy anywhere you want. What doubts are there? There are two doubts: 1) http://www.apple.com/webobjects/specs.html says: - Requires only *one license per machine*, reg