You a HAM operator, Jack?
- Original Message -
From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] was School WiFi , about technical values.
Mark,
Certification verifies that the signals conducted
Felix,
I think motivating manufacturers is a simple as:
1. Asking them WHAT FCC certified systems they offer?
2. If the answer is none, ask them WHEN they expect to be offering
certified systems?
3. If the answer is they have no plans then ask them WHY NOT and
inform them that too much
I am a ham and I have been for 48 years. I've also held an FCC
Commercial License for 28 years. Without my ham experience, I doubt that
I would have been able to transition into the license-free wireless
industry in 1993 - which was before any WISPs even existed. My years of
ham experience
how does this work for the hundreds of guys who use stuff they created,
becuase the manufacturers are miles behind in features, performance, and
flexibility?
- Original Message -
From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007
Mark,
Please state your question more clearly.
jack
Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
how does this work for the hundreds of guys who use stuff they created,
becuase the manufacturers are miles behind in features, performance, and
flexibility?
- Original Message -
From: Jack Unger [EMAIL
Then you know and understand the value of selectivity and what clean
transmitters are. There's good enough to get certified, and then there's
good and better and excellent and I'd like to see us have the
information and be able to lean on the manufacturers to clean up their acts.
There is a
Mark,
I'm going to reply but this will be my last reply on this subject. I
don't want to exceed my 5 posts per day limit any more than necessary.
:)
Yes, I understand about receiver selectivity. I've also taught over 2000
WISP personnel about it since 2001. I also wrote a (vendor-neutral)
Where do you live?
Felix A. Lopez wrote:
Marlon, The good ol MDS 900 MHz radios...
Other - Since I am new I would be better at being a
secretary or something like that. I enjoy coordinating
eduational meetings, business development, webinars,
and facilitating events; lobbying etc. For example,
- Original Message -
From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] was School WiFi , about technical values.
Mark,
I'm going to reply but this will be my last reply on this subject. I
don't
I think we can all appreciate that you are working hard to make public
safety communications better and I applaud your efforts. If I lose
opportunities for use of spectrum then I can think of no better place
than to those who are working to make our country safer and to help us
when disaster
Thanks John,
Around our way they know that they must have some sort of plan of
action, but have nothing to show and cannot see that if they build the
infrastructure, let me maintain it and supply internet to their tax
payers and they can use it in an emergency. It boggles my mind.
You have a
I think for a small WISP to be successful you need enough
money at the start to do some stuff right. The reason I put that in quotes
is you are hardly ever going to have enough money to do everything you want
to. Have enough money to buy equipment that fits your needs. I see too
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Looks like Infoworld has their own take on Earthlink...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/infoworld/20070427/tc_infoworld/88116
Interestingly, the article is the first report I have seen in mainstream
press that Earthlink muni has very few customers.
-Matt
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I don't know why
Marlon,
When you hit 3,000 subs give me a call. I'd love to chat with you then.
Until then, you really don't have a clue what it takes to run a large
network.
Travis
Microserv
Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
Oh brother. Now you're just being obstinate Travis.
I honestly thought you were smart
WiSPA, Yes 700 MHz important. Regarding two-way
voice. Still important. Same with interoperability.
http://mrtmag.com/ is a good webling.
I am or was involved in two-way radio systems in rural
areas and some urban areas during my tenure (which
ends this week) at a large manufacturing company.
I don't think Mark is asking the FCC to specify these quality levels, just
stating that someone needs to.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent:
Travis:
I think you are way out of line here... Just because your network has
x number of clients does not mean that other entities that have less
than you are not as capable to run a large network.
I will tell you; here and now, I come from a background of having
thousands of users on my
All,
I really don't think Travis is trying to insult anyone, but simply stating
the facts.
Everyone here that has scaled to any level understands the complexities of a
network and the business are compounded as it grows.
Nothing against Marlon, but his argument of comparing multiple upstream
Hi WiSPs, I think what is going on is one's dedication
to thier customers (subscribers) and one's tremendous
responsbility of running a large network. The
juxtiposition of rural and urbane is also a factor. I
will use me as an example. I come from very humble
rural background - think Andy
Jory,
Talk to the other II4A members.
Almost all of them are involved in Peering in some way.
Peter
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IF they ever get these networks to work correctly my guess would be they
will try to get the city government to support them. Until then I would
imagine they will be a big money looser for the Co's involved. One of the
consequenses of jumping in head first I guess.
Superior Wireless
New
That's cool stuff Felix!
I'll bet our current secretary would love to see a replacement on the board.
grin
Board applications are on the www.wispa.org home page.
big grin
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I am getting ready to expand my network by adding a couple of new
towers. The decision I am trying to make is what equipment to buy. My
plan was to use Mikrotik for a BH/AP, but with all the certification
talk, I am looking in different directions. I am looking for the
following features.
Mark - I have deployed and installed systems and I am
partial to the MotoWi4 platfrom for service providers
and network operators:
http://www.motorola.com/content.jsp?globalObjectId=5918-8767
which includes Motorola Canopy + HotZone Duo and or
Mesh at the end points for WiFi Hotspot access. Of
We have a new unit out this week that is based on Wilibox software. It
can do everything you want except PPPoE. Can you do PPPoE concentration
further upstream or put a wired box at the site for this function?
Virtual AP, Hotspot, WPA/2 PSK and Radius, etc. are all options for the
AP platform
Do you happen to have a way to look at the Wilibox interface?
Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Radio
Mark-
Which is it?
Quote 1:
Shaky is the term I used, because this classification isn't law, just FCC
opinion. That's obviously subject to whatever breeze blows through DC.
Now that there is no longer consistency in all matters, the defense against
Quote 2:
kinda doubt it's going to
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From: Rick Herrmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 12:20 PM
Subject: Regulators: Fickle or Not WAS: RE: [WISPA] was School WiFi ,about
technical values.
Mark-
Which is it?
Quote 1:
Shaky is the
I too would like to see the wilibox interface.
On 4/30/07, Mark McElvy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you happen to have a way to look at the Wilibox interface?
Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
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Behalf Of
Mark-
No, I am just asking about your true opinion of the regulators - the FCC -
which is the subject of both of your statements. Or are you somehow
referring to two different sets of rule-setting fruits?
In the first, you suggest that they have ever-changing and obviously
subject to whatever
Hey Harold. Did you guys build that Association List interface into your
Wilibox platform yet? I want to be able to see every associated client
on one screen with the ability to name the customer as per the MAC
address, see the IP address, see the source and destination port and
address, see
I think the only reason MT and StarOS don't have certified solutions is that
it hasn't been an issue until the past 2 weeks. I'm sure in 2 months there
will be MT and StarOS certified solutions available.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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Well, exactly what I said. I don't know how to restate it, and don't
particularly wish to argue it.. .It's just that the people of the FCC, ergo
the things it decides by opinion change often, often with just
administration changes or elections, or sometimes just pressure by other
agencies.
Public safety uses non-public safety spectrum for anything that isn't
mission critical. For example, you and I use cellphones. Just because
public safety has dedicated spectrum doesn't mean they shouldn't use
non-public safety spectrum for the same purposes that everyone else uses
shared
FYIzzo,
I recently discovered that one can tap 'm' to mute a conversation in gmail -
relegating the remainder of a known-hopeless thread to the bountiful
archive. Very helpful for NANOG and other lists which are generally useful
but occasionally obnoxious. Or was it the other way around ..
And
http://www.socalwug.org/2006/02/23/general-meeting-jack-unger-wimax/
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Yikes George,
That's kind of a dated post (14 months old now) and WiMAX has evolved
considerably however if anyone wants to torture themselves... well, I
can't stop them.
jack
BTW - My beard looks MUCH better now than it did back then.
George Rogato wrote:
Dear Folks: Here is another WiMax website. I
partipcate on WiMax360 on issues germane to
802.16(d,e) but we talk a lot about 802.11 and private
WISP platforms.
See http://www.wimax.com/
You can find me at http://www.wimax360.com/
Thank you for your time,
Felix
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I'm looking for the best quality lowest loss pigtails, mostly ufl and
mmcx to N female bulkhead. Who sells the best? I recall reading a post
somewhere that some on on ebay made a top notch jumper... Any
experiences would be appreciated.
Erik
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I have seen numerous posts on the WISPA list indicating that a cost
effective and compliant solution for this issue was being worked on and
would become available in the near future.
I think that is wishful thinking on some people's part. When you see
companies like Cisco struggle to provide a
Roger Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Erik Jansson wrote:
I'm looking for the best quality lowest loss pigtails, mostly ufl and
mmcx to N female bulkhead. Who sells the best? I recall reading a
post somewhere that some on on ebay made a top notch jumper... Any
experiences would be appreciated.
The purpose of Trango is
A solid robust enclosure with internal distribution boards for POE and CAT5
connections and such.
A supplier with consistent availabilty.
Price not bad, when bundled with Atlas Backhauls for your mesh system.
A FCC legal Unit.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
I'd like to add my own brief CALEA comments and concerns. Out of respect
for the maximum of 5 posts per day proposal, I'll keep it short.
I'm thinking that extending CALEA to small WISPs without compensating
them for their costs has more to do with the big fish eating the little
fish than it
Ok... well... example. part 15 of the FCC rules. This is written rules.
They don't change without a bunch of public notices, meetings, NPRM's, etc.
The FCC can change it's mind about... say, whether we are subject to USF
fees. This isn't codified as rules. They simply announce the change.
I personally do not believe that any CALEA can be cost effective. Quite
simply, solving CALEA requires spending money without earning any
additional revenue. The only way to justify the CALEA expense is to accept
it as a cost of doing business. This means simply that your market
opportunity is
John,
The part that is causing disbelief for me is the deadline is only days away
and I haven't seen this solution or the costing for the solution.
Todd Barber
Skylink Broadband Internet
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL
There won't be a WISPA standard done in time. We're still waiting on some
documentation from the FBI and we need to get some internal documentation
together as well.
But you don't have to be compliant with ANY standard to be CALEA compliant!
You just have to understand what you have to do if
John, the reason I don't buy it, is as has been said...we're days from the
deadline, and we have nothing.
And, further, we don't know what's being worked on. There's a whole LOT of
issues. There's extraction. There's picking out what's required.
There's storage, there's VPN to the LEA,
From: Ryan Langseth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
One more thing, If you haven't watch/listened to it yet (do it twice):
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645
What a terrific link! Perfectly appropriate! At times LMAO because of how
true the lessons are when applied to some of
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