Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-04 Thread Clint Ricker
Zack, WISPA is a trade organization...if you care what it says, then join. It is not a business (I'll shop there if you offer better customer service), it is not a gym member (I'll join if you get this piece of equipment), it is a trade organization. It is member run, as all trade organizations

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-04 Thread Mike Hammett
List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 12:55 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] In support of legal operation See inline comments please Behalf Of Zack Kneisley John, List.. anyone else really. I was trying not to get into a discussion at a 12 year old level. I merely support anyone

RE: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-04 Thread Rick Harnish
vote or a Member vote. Respectfully, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zack Kneisley Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 10:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation John, List.. anyone else

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-04 Thread JohnnyO
] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation Part-15 used to do the same things WISPA does. However, I think most of the people with Part-15 that did this left to form WISPA. - Mike Hammett Intelligent

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-04 Thread Mike Hammett
). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation Part-15 did NOT do the same

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-03 Thread Clint Ricker
All of you are worse than a bunch of 12 year old school girls--on both sides. Give it a rest already. Pretty much, the arguments for being certified speak for themselves. Some people make what they feel are educated business decisions to do otherwise. Fine for them. It's not the end of the

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-03 Thread Jack Unger
Amen, brother. Clint Ricker wrote: All of you are worse than a bunch of 12 year old school girls--on both sides. Give it a rest already. Pretty much, the arguments for being certified speak for themselves. Some people make what they feel are educated business decisions to do otherwise. Fine

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
We've already done that Ralph. Have you read this yet? http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=3 laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 5:59 AM Subject: [WISPA] In support of legal

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
02, 2007 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation John I don't see where Ralph said that WISPA supports breaking the law, I'm not sure where that could have been derived from. I feel that Ralphs statement was one of frustration of WISPA not publicly supporting a specific

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
- Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation Ralph You see the industry through a very narrow set of blinders. There is a whole lot

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
ache. There's NEVER a compromise or a solution cause all he wants is something to argue about. marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] In support of legal

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-03 Thread Zack Kneisley
John, List.. anyone else really. I was trying not to get into a discussion at a 12 year old level. I merely support anyone who feels that they want to change something, through a structured method. Although I agree on this particular issue, making a statement look at our code of ethics does not

RE: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-03 Thread Mac Dearman
See inline comments please Behalf Of Zack Kneisley John, List.. anyone else really. I was trying not to get into a discussion at a 12 year old level. I merely support anyone who feels that they want to change something, through a structured method. Although I agree on this particular

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-02 Thread John Scrivner
I see in the WISPA Code of Ethics this line: e) Use proper diligence to ensure that all materials on their networks are restricted in accordance with applicable laws, regulations and the tenets of reasonable precaution. If this needs to be worded differently then maybe this would suffice? I

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-02 Thread George Rogato
Why should WISPA take any stance on what a wisp uses to conduct business? What business is it of others what anyone else does? If the FCC thought what was going on was a terrible thing, they would have said so. WISPA's efforts towards compliance may be slow, but there is now certified

RE: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-02 Thread Ralph
] In support of legal operation Why should WISPA take any stance on what a wisp uses to conduct business? What business is it of others what anyone else does? If the FCC thought what was going on was a terrible thing, they would have said so. WISPA's efforts towards compliance may be slow

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-02 Thread J. Vogel
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 3:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation Why should WISPA take any stance on what a wisp uses to conduct business? What business

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-02 Thread George Rogato
: Sunday, September 02, 2007 3:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation Why should WISPA take any stance on what a wisp uses to conduct business? What business is it of others what anyone else does? If the FCC thought what was going on was a terrible thing

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-02 Thread Matt Liotta
George Rogato wrote: One thing you have been successful at is ending most discussions of what people are using, their accomplishments or plain old advice on this list. I bet a lot of guys are scared with your FCC insinuations not to bother posting anything to this list. I don't think you can

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-02 Thread George Rogato
Matt Seeing you and Ralph are business constituants and shoulder to shoulder, I wouldn't expect you to stray from the party line Matt Liotta wrote: George Rogato wrote: One thing you have been successful at is ending most discussions of what people are using, their accomplishments or

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-02 Thread Dylan Oliver
I gather that this is a response of the ad hominem variety Matt just predicted, but could you clarify your meaning? Aren't we all businesses (and constituents, business and otherwise)? On 9/2/07, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt Seeing you and Ralph are business constituants and

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-02 Thread Scott Reed
I am not sure that a position paper is required, but I will offer a few opinions based on some of what I have seen this post generate in responses. Though I am not currently 100% compliant with the FCC rules nor a member, I wish I were both. Even after 1 full year of research into what I

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-02 Thread Zack Kneisley
Please expand upon this statement... Because you agree that WISPA supports only certified systems through a ethics statement, does not conclude that WISPA as a professional organization supports the use of only certified systems. I do not see how this statement makes any sense. The

RE: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-02 Thread Ralph
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 3:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation Why should WISPA take any stance on what a wisp uses to conduct business? What business

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-02 Thread Butch Evans
On Sun, 2 Sep 2007, Scott Reed wrote: So I am 100% behind Ralph wanting to be assured that WISPA is all about being legal. WISPA put this in the Code of Ethics. The organization is certainly all about being legal. I also agree with Ralph's opening comment about getting more latitude in

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-02 Thread J. Vogel
It doesn't really help, when attempting to clarify a misunderstood or confusing statement, to say the same thing over again. You asserted, in your posting, that the position of WISPA as stated in the code of ethics, did not meet the requirement in your opinion of being the official stance of

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-01 Thread Zack Kneisley
Ralph As only a list member, wireless operator and entrepreneur, I support and encorage your request. WISPA, should publicly support issues, especially those that are law. This specific position should not be something that requires debate. I hope this request will open a dialog of democratic,