For what it's worth, RouterOS 4.13 installed on the SuperMicro 5015A-H
without a hitch (CF in a flash reader w/ netinstall). It actually
booted on 2.9.50 (old flash), but lacked network interfaces. The
performance difference between the P3 800 and the Atom 330 was minimal
(as it relates to BGP lo
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 6:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Jeff,
VXRs and down. Not GSR's and up. I wasn't entirely clear in my last m
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists
wrote:
> Hi Rubens,
>
> We've found Quagga to be rock solid with the typical application which is
> under a dozen peers.
>
> We did add a patch to prevent the never-emptying work queue backlog problem
> when multiple peers flap at the same ti
Kuhl
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 3:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 1:04 AM, Tom DeReggi
wrote:
> Note: Quagga has been very reliable for quite some time now. Imagestream
and
> Vyatta both use Quagga. Both are great choices
network goes down...we just lose that particular peering point.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:44 AM
> To: WISPA
> second router.
>
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL& Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "can...@believewireless.net"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2
nasty
>>> happens.
>>>
>>> I can’t speak for the other companies, but ImageStream has been handling
>>> BGP for around 10 years. We use Quagga currently and we’ve found it to be
>>> very stable, as our customers on-list have attested. It’s one
On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 22:59 -0600, Travis Johnson wrote:
> Then you move the cards into the "spare" chassis you have sitting 3ft
> away in another rack and boot up and go... :)
My only point was that all that redundancy, which I think is a GOOD
thing, is only redundant to a point. At some point
reless Broadband
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*From:* Josh Luthman <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
*To:* WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 03, 2010 11:26 PM
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Powercode's MAX
Then you move the cards into the "spare" chassis you have sitting 3ft
away in another rack and boot up and go... :)
However, I have NEVER heard of a Cisco 12000 series "backplane" failing.
EVER. Can't say that for an X86 based anything... they fail all the
time... cards, system boards, processo
03, 2010 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Powercode's MAXX does that...or so they say. I believe ImageStream says they
can do this too.
Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Nov 3, 2
>> Although it's a different scenario, the IXP folks beg to differ about
>> Quagga reliability. When the number of peers is high, it flops
>> miserably. Some of them moved to OpenBGPd, some of them to BIRD
>> (http://bird.network.cz). None of them moved to XORP, Mikrotik's
>> choice (and Vyatta's p
r companies, but ImageStream has been handling BGP
> for around 10 years. We use Quagga currently and we’ve found it to be very
> stable, as our customers on-list have attested. It’s one of our top
> applications.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeff
> ImageStream
> 800-813-5123 x10
On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 19:54 -0600, Travis Johnson wrote:
> And, many of us in the middle of nowhere are still getting upstream
> links via telco circuits (such as OC3 and OC12). How do you terminate
> an OC12 into two separate boxes to run VRRP? You don't.
THIS is a more sensible argument. The ot
On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 19:53 -0600, Travis Johnson wrote:
> Having two routers talking to each other is not the same as a single
> router with redundant parts. I can pull the CPU card from my Cisco and
> the box never misses a single packet because the 2nd CPU card is in
> the same box. Same with th
> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 1:04 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
>> Note: Quagga has been very reliable for quite some time now. Imagestream and
>> Vyatta both use Quagga. Both are great choices for BGP routers.
>
> Although it's a different scenario, the IXP folks beg to differ about
> Quagga reliability. Wh
ixed Wireless Broadband
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From: "can...@believewireless.net"
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
>I think one of the main differences is BGP failover. With one box,
>
Regards,
Jeff
ImageStream
800-813-5123 x106
From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Blake Covarrubias
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 11:31 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Hardware redundancy, wire speed packet forwarding, sup
eless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Blake Covarrubias
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 11:31 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Hardware redundancy, wire speed packet forwarding, support for more Interface
types, and more wide
I think one of the main differences is BGP failover. With one box,
your BGP session never drops. With two distinct servers, the session
will drop and the second router will start it up. Then, when the
primary comes back online, the session will drop again and restart.
-
> From: "Travis Johnson"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
>
>
>> Tom,
>>
>> I agree that Linux works very well as a router, but it still doesn't
>> com
ne of our top
applications.
Regards,
Jeff
ImageStream
800-813-5123 x106
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Blake Covarrubias
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 11:31 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Hardware redund
ally do you think is superior in IOS (Unix-based originally) to
>> a hardened, purpose-built Linux distro (us, Mikrotik, Vyatta, whatever)?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jeff
>> ImageStream
>> 800-813-5123 x106
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [m
oadband
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From: "Rubens Kuhl"
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 1:04 AM, Tom DeReggi
> wrote:
>> Note: Quagga has been very reliable for
__
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 11:31 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Hardware redundancy, wire speed packet forwarding, support for more
Interface ty
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 1:04 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
> Note: Quagga has been very reliable for quite some time now. Imagestream and
> Vyatta both use Quagga. Both are great choices for BGP routers.
Although it's a different scenario, the IXP folks beg to differ about
Quagga reliability. When the nu
wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:37 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
>
>
>
> Tom,
>
> I agree that Linux works very well as
-5123 x106
*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
*On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:37 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Tom,
I agree that Linux works very well as a router, but it still doesn'
-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Tom,
I agree that Linux works very well as a router, but it still doesn't
compare to a dedicated hardwar
Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Travis Johnson"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
>
>
>> Tom,
>>
>> I
> We had problems with 4.10 and went back to 4.3 and all is well.
> Haven't had a reason to upgrade to 4.11 but we'll probably just move
> straight to 5.0.
Heard from Mikrotik on forums that lookups with BGP could be related
to OSPF and its fixed in v4.13 and latest v5RC. My understanding the
OSP
We had problems with 4.10 and went back to 4.3 and all is well.
Haven't had a reason to upgrade to 4.11 but we'll probably just move
straight to 5.0.
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Matt wrote:
>>> Our MikroTik BGP router keeps crashing about once every month or
>>> so...sometimes sooner, sometim
>> Our MikroTik BGP router keeps crashing about once every month or
>> so...sometimes sooner, sometimes later. We are using full BGP tables
>> and 4.11 currently.
Heard on Mikrotik forums 4.10 is more stable for BGP. When it crashes
are there warning signs like high memory or CPU usage?
--
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From: "Travis Johnson"
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
> Tom,
>
> I agree that Linux works very well as a router, but it still doesn't
> compare to a dedicate
mber 02, 2010 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
> Tom,
>
> I agree that Linux works very well as a router, but it still doesn't
> compare to a dedicated hardware platform (like Cisco) that was built
> from the ground up to do nothing but routing. We purchased a
will cost you
> about $430 per 4port PCI-E Gig NIC).
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL& Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kristian Hoffmann"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Tuesday, Novemb
On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 10:18:46PM -0400, Gerard Dupont wrote:
> I've never heard of bsdrp before. I'll have to check it out. I was
> planning on doing a full freebsd install.. I've been using FreeBSD for
> >10 years and it is my platform of choice.
bsdrp is nice in that they have a good nanobsd s
On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 06:13:19PM -0700, Charles N Wyble wrote:
> On 11/02/2010 05:37 PM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
> > On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 18:52 -0500, Scott Lambert wrote:
> >
> > I have a SuperMicro 5015A-H (Atom 330 dual-core) coming in tomorrow.
> > I'm going to try RouterOS and Vyatta and s
Net- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: "Kristian Hoffmann"
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
>
> On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 18:52 -0500, Scott Lambert wrote:
>
>>
) FLSPEED x106
From: "Kristian Hoffmann"
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 8:36 PM
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On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 18:52 -0500, Scott Lambert wrote:
> I still need to try a Vyatt
I've never heard of bsdrp before. I'll have to check it out. I was
planning on doing a full freebsd install.. I've been using FreeBSD for
>10 years and it is my platform of choice.
Gerard
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Scott Lambert wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 05:23:40PM -0400, Gerard Du
On 11/02/2010 05:37 PM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 18:52 -0500, Scott Lambert wrote:
>
> I have a SuperMicro 5015A-H (Atom 330 dual-core) coming in tomorrow.
> I'm going to try RouterOS and Vyatta and see how BGP responds on each
> with a single feed. If anyone else has an x8
y work to manage the flows so that you don’t kill
>> the smaller feeds, but it’s very doable.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> ImageStream
>> 800-813-5123 x106
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
On 11/02/2010 08:37 PM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 18:52 -0500, Scott Lambert wrote:
>
>
>> I still need to try a Vyatta system.
>>
> I loathe the idea of managing a *nix distro on a router (which is why we
> use RouterOS now). Apparently I've had too much Tik-aid,
Image stream, excellent price and support
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 5:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
On Tue, 2010-11-02
On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 18:52 -0500, Scott Lambert wrote:
> I still need to try a Vyatta system.
I loathe the idea of managing a *nix distro on a router (which is why we
use RouterOS now). Apparently I've had too much Tik-aid, because I had
completely forgotten about Vyatta and similar options.
On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 05:23:40PM -0400, Gerard Dupont wrote:
> I have another x86 system that I think I'm going to load freebsd on it
> and just run Quagga. I don't want to spend the money on a cisco to
> handle 3+ full bgp feeds and 300+mbit of traffic.
bsdrp.org? or a full FreeBSD install?
I'll fill in some more details for Chuck..
We started out on a RB1000 with a single bgp peer. All worked fine for
a long time.
We then added a second bgp peer and switched to full tables tables and
it started leaking memory and would lock after a few weeks to a couple
months of running. After the
Although a P3 800 is not something we could call powerful these days,
what you've seen is connected to software, not hardware. Since
Mikrotik replaced Quagga with XORP in ROS 3.x, a good number of users
report minutes of high CPU in a full-routing environment. Does not
happen for everyone, but happ
> No, we have to hard reboot it.
> Regards,
What kind of hardware is it running on? Have you checked memory?
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Matt wrote:
>>> Our MikroTik BGP router keeps crashing about once every month or
>>> so...sometimes sooner, sometimes later. We are using full BGP tab
No, we have to hard reboot it.
Regards,
Chuck
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Matt wrote:
>> Our MikroTik BGP router keeps crashing about once every month or
>> so...sometimes sooner, sometimes later. We are using full BGP tables
>> and 4.11 currently.
>
> When it crashes does it reboot itse
@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 12:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Hi Jeff,
Glad to see you jump into this..
Would you feel comfortable is sharing what Model Image Stream will do
the follo
on’t kill the
> smaller feeds, but it’s very doable.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ImageStream
> 800-813-5123 x106
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of jp
> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:35 AM
> To: fai..
* Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:35 AM
> *To:* fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
>
> We use MT BGP internally on our network; not full feeds. 1400 routes on
> one server. Works great for that; no reliability issues in every day
> ope
ral List
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We use MT BGP internally on our network; not full feeds. 1400 routes on
one server. Works great for that; no reliability issues in every day
operation. No problems with 12 month uptimes. I have seen some minor
issues in 3.30 where if you remove a pee
s. buying an
>>>> Imagestream or Cisco that is equivalent we can have hot standby spares on
>>>> hand and still be thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars ahead.
>>>> That
>>>> coupled with building a network that isn't solely dependent on any si
it!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:11 AM
>
ngs break...doesn't matter if MikroTik, ImageStream, Cisco or Juniper
> >> makes it. ALL things break eventually, so plan for it!
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >>
> >> Brad
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Look into Imagestream for BGP. Very stable and less expensive than
Cisco. IMHO you want something running the edge of your network to have
support and software updates. If you go with Cisco plan on the extra
expense of Smartnet.
Having
List"
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
This is exactly what I am concerned with.
Things breaking once in a while is not an issue..
Things breaking once every month or few weeks is not going to be
acceptable from our users..
Trying to determine if this is a 'feat
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From: Faisal Imtiaz
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 10:43:43 -0400
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
This is exactly what I am
; point of failure further reduces the crisis when a core router fails.
>>
>> Things break...doesn't matter if MikroTik, ImageStream, Cisco or Juniper
>> makes it. ALL things break eventually, so plan for it!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> Brad
>>
> Our MikroTik BGP router keeps crashing about once every month or
> so...sometimes sooner, sometimes later. We are using full BGP tables
> and 4.11 currently.
When it crashes does it reboot itself?
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> Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:11 AM
> To: n...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
>
> Hi Nick,
>
> How stable has the Mikrotik been running full BGP with the two providers ?
>
> (I read about a
ess.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Hi Nick,
How stable has the Mikrotik been running full BGP with the two providers ?
(I read about a memory leak issues, is that why you are using 5.0rc1 ?) We
have been considering getting a Mikrotik for such use.
Thanks.
Fais
Hi Nick,
How stable has the Mikrotik been running full BGP with the two providers ?
(I read about a memory leak issues, is that why you are using 5.0rc1 ?)
We have been considering getting a Mikrotik for such use.
Thanks.
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
On 11/2/2010 9:21 AM, Nick Olsen
> We have two full tables running on mikrotik, in two different locations.
>
> Running that command
> /ip route print count-only where bgp-as-path="1234"
> Replacing the AS with "33363" (local cable company).
> Doesn't work on either of our routers for some reason (MT 5.0rc1 or 4.4).
I don't suppo
We have two full tables running on mikrotik, in two different locations.
Running that command
/ip route print count-only where bgp-as-path="1234"
Replacing the AS with "33363" (local cable company).
Doesn't work on either of our routers for some reason (MT 5.0rc1 or 4.4).
Our router running a cor
On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 08:51 -0700, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
> An AS that yielded 500 routes took 1-2 minutes at 100% CPU to complete.
> Is this "normal" these days, or is significantly greater hardware in
> order? I used to have a full feed on a Cisco 3640. It took 5-10
> minutes to load all of
We have full routes on two RB1000, it takes a couple of minuets with
high CPU before it finishes loading routes. As soon as there is a
path for traffic then it starts flowing without much, if any, delay on
traffic. I have not tried printing the routes at the terminal.
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