My experience is that just allowing water to stand loosely covered in a gallon beaker will allow it to absorb enough CO2 to increase the conductivity and lower the pH. It follows that bubbling will greatly accelerate that process up to the point that the water will accept no more.
James-Osbourne: Holmes -----Original Message----- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 4:12 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>questions: stir vs. bubble Well sure, your room is probably relatively clear of dust and spores but that doesn't affect the average person that isn't running an ion or ozone machine. There's a lot of stuff in the air on average. So, I still wouldn't bubble my CS. But we all have our preferences. Trem Tel. At 11:54 AM 1/18/2002 -0700, you wrote: >With all due respect Trem: >I have used stir with a motor & bubble also no stir at all, and a chop >stick stir >by hand. I to use a laser light and a pwt tester....but what makes me >assume my >CS is clean of dust as you believe, is I have three Clean Air Ozone >generators in >my house running 24 hrs a day to eliminate all dust and charge the air >with extra >oxygen, I have four generators most of the time, but one is lent >out. When I make >CS, once a week, I put a 3000 square foot generator in a 10 by 10 room and >turn it >on and close the door. It smells like a fresh rain and thunder storm had just >passed over. very clean, my computer hardly ever has a film on it like >before I >started using the Ozone generators. PS My silver tastes better with >ozone too, >but I do not know if it IS better? All I know for sure is that it works on my >family and bets.. Peace ! >Tel Tofflemire >Phoenix , AZ > >Trem wrote: > > > Here's my take on it. > > > > I don't like bubbling because of several reasons. > > > > 1. Typically there are about 10,000 spores and dust particles in each > > cubic foot of air near the floor. That level decreases with height but > > nevertheless one can see that air is NOT clean in an average room. I do > > not think it wise to pump those particles through the water. I also think > > that it will raise the conductivity of the water giving one the false > > impression the mix is getting stronger. Stirring doesn't have this > downside. > > > > 2. As Ivan stated, it also adds Co2 to the water. Stirring does not. > > > > 3. The bubblers most people opt for have tubing and diaphragms made of > > some plastic which may or may not outgas into the water. Not good. > > > > As to the other part. I tell our customers that it isn't the PPM that > > counts because that's only a measure of the weight of silver. 1 PPM = 1 mg > > silver. It's how many particles the silver is divided into that gives the > > most efficacy. So we say, if some is good (PPM), more is not necessarily > > better. I think many people fall for the idea that higher PPM is better > > when the fact is, strong mixes can lead to agglomeration and less total > > particles in a given measure of water. We recommend not making CS over 10 > > PPM so as to get a clear mix. If they want more silver particles in their > > system, we tell them to drink more of the water, not try to make it > > stronger. It is self defeating to keep trying for the strongest mix > possible. > > > > As to the SG6 Auto. I have done quite a bit of experimenting with > > different motors and stirring speeds before settling on the motor speed we > > use which was 30 RPM but is now 40 RPM (different motor). My observations > > are that it only takes a very gentle movement of the water to move the > > cloud away from the anode. It does not take vigorous movement. Slow > > stirring accomplishes that quite easily. I have watched the dispersion for > > long periods using a laser pointer to see the movement. I think vigorous > > stirring can cause more agglomeration than gentle stirring. That's only an > > opinion...I may be wrong. I had poor results when using a small higher > > speed DC motor. Maybe others have better results. > > > > Someone said that the generator is designed for a pint. That's sort of > > true. It does work best in a pint. However it also works in much larger > > vessels. It just takes longer and there is a bit of stratification if the > > vessel is very deep. However, the CS disburses over a few hours. We tell > > folks that there are 3 ways around this. > > > > a. Set the dial a bit higher than you really want the end strength of the > > mix to be. It will average out to the strength you desired after > shut-down. > > b. Wait a while for the mix to disburse and turn the generator back on to > > add a bit more silver to the water. > > c. Make a smaller quantity at one time and combine the fractions. > > > > When making a half gallon at a time one has to expect to have some > > differences compared to making a pint. It's not the same. > > > > Immediately after making the CS, the PWT generally reads higher than the > > next day. That's because there is more ionic silver then than after some > > of the particles have become colloidal. The total amount of silver in the > > water is the same. Only the ratio of ionic to colloidal has changed. The > > strength hasn't decreased as some people think because the PWT only reads > > ionic portions. That's why we say in our instructions that the reading > > will be lower the next day. > > > > As far as buildup on electrodes is concerned, if one insists on running in > > large volumes of water and trying to make high PPM, there will obviously be > > a buildup of elemental silver on the cathode. That's to be expected. It > > isn't usually a problem if one is making lower PPM CS. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Trem > > www.silvergen.com > > > > At 05:47 PM 1/17/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >I have the SG6-very happy with my generator. > > >I have done some experiementing with the way I make my CS. > > > > > >I would like to compare my brew with stirring vs. bubbling and please > > >comments as too the differences. > > > > > >I use a 64 fl. oz. coffee creamer container to make my CS. > > > > > >Some days...using the stir....it seems to take longer. Not observant > enough > > >to say why one day is different vs. another. > > > > > >Here are the comparisons of the last two batches made: > > > > > >--First brew: > > >Stirred batch. > > >Seeded, ppm per Hanna PWT 4ppm. > > >I cleaned electrodes (with heavy build up) 3 x's during the brew. > > > > > >After 36 hours of generation...the ppm per Hanna was about 18ppm. > Indicator > > >light, indicating that the brew had not reached 20pppm (as dialed) was > still > > >on. > > >My stirred CS ALWAYS reads a lower number the next day, when retested. > Often > > >I will turn the generator back on, let it run again until the indicator > > >light goes off. > > > > > >Allowed the brew to sit overnight. A lot of precipitate in the container. > > >Did not bother to retest the ppm. ( I expected it to be lower than what > > >measured the night before) > > >I gave up on that brew...used it in the bathwater.... > > > > > >--Second brew: > > >Bubbled batch-stirrer removed. > > > > > >Seeded DW ppm at start 4ppm. > > >10 hrs. later: indicator light off. > > >I did not clean the electrodes at all. > > >I shut down the generator. > > >Did not test the ppm. > > >left til this AM, testing ppm with Hanna, the ppm is 26ppm. (set at 20ppm) > > > > > >Some, but little precipitate....electrodes with little build up. > > > > > > > > >My observed main points > > > > > >-bubbled CS consistently more stable after brew sits (ppm's do not > fall from > > >one day to the next) > > >-bubbled CS consistently has less build up on the electrodes, less > > >precipitate in the container. > > >-bubbled CS consistently able to achieve higher ppm (per Hanna) > > >-occassionally will get pale yellow CS with stir, never with bubbled > > >-consistently stirred CS will turn ashen with even minimal exposure to > > >light, bubbled does not seem to (I have not specifically ''tested'' this.) > > >-brew time for higher ppm's consistenly quicker with bubbler. (this > case 36 > > >hours for less than 20ppm stirred vs. 10 hrs. for 26ppm bubbled) > > > > > >I have no clue why such a difference. I know Ole Bob you do not like the > > >bubbler, I believe also Trem that you prefer stir.... > > > > > >Could someone explain some of these differences for me...in terms I could > > >understand.... > > >and if bubbling is not good, why....when it appears to make a better > > >product? > > > > > >TIA > > >Connie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > >List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com>
