With all due respect Trem: I have used stir with a motor & bubble also no stir at all, and a chop stick stir by hand. I to use a laser light and a pwt tester....but what makes me assume my CS is clean of dust as you believe, is I have three Clean Air Ozone generators in my house running 24 hrs a day to eliminate all dust and charge the air with extra oxygen, I have four generators most of the time, but one is lent out. When I make CS, once a week, I put a 3000 square foot generator in a 10 by 10 room and turn it on and close the door. It smells like a fresh rain and thunder storm had just passed over. very clean, my computer hardly ever has a film on it like before I started using the Ozone generators. PS My silver tastes better with ozone too, but I do not know if it IS better? All I know for sure is that it works on my family and bets.. Peace ! Tel Tofflemire Phoenix , AZ
Trem wrote: > Here's my take on it. > > I don't like bubbling because of several reasons. > > 1. Typically there are about 10,000 spores and dust particles in each > cubic foot of air near the floor. That level decreases with height but > nevertheless one can see that air is NOT clean in an average room. I do > not think it wise to pump those particles through the water. I also think > that it will raise the conductivity of the water giving one the false > impression the mix is getting stronger. Stirring doesn't have this downside. > > 2. As Ivan stated, it also adds Co2 to the water. Stirring does not. > > 3. The bubblers most people opt for have tubing and diaphragms made of > some plastic which may or may not outgas into the water. Not good. > > As to the other part. I tell our customers that it isn't the PPM that > counts because that's only a measure of the weight of silver. 1 PPM = 1 mg > silver. It's how many particles the silver is divided into that gives the > most efficacy. So we say, if some is good (PPM), more is not necessarily > better. I think many people fall for the idea that higher PPM is better > when the fact is, strong mixes can lead to agglomeration and less total > particles in a given measure of water. We recommend not making CS over 10 > PPM so as to get a clear mix. If they want more silver particles in their > system, we tell them to drink more of the water, not try to make it > stronger. It is self defeating to keep trying for the strongest mix possible. > > As to the SG6 Auto. I have done quite a bit of experimenting with > different motors and stirring speeds before settling on the motor speed we > use which was 30 RPM but is now 40 RPM (different motor). My observations > are that it only takes a very gentle movement of the water to move the > cloud away from the anode. It does not take vigorous movement. Slow > stirring accomplishes that quite easily. I have watched the dispersion for > long periods using a laser pointer to see the movement. I think vigorous > stirring can cause more agglomeration than gentle stirring. That's only an > opinion...I may be wrong. I had poor results when using a small higher > speed DC motor. Maybe others have better results. > > Someone said that the generator is designed for a pint. That's sort of > true. It does work best in a pint. However it also works in much larger > vessels. It just takes longer and there is a bit of stratification if the > vessel is very deep. However, the CS disburses over a few hours. We tell > folks that there are 3 ways around this. > > a. Set the dial a bit higher than you really want the end strength of the > mix to be. It will average out to the strength you desired after shut-down. > b. Wait a while for the mix to disburse and turn the generator back on to > add a bit more silver to the water. > c. Make a smaller quantity at one time and combine the fractions. > > When making a half gallon at a time one has to expect to have some > differences compared to making a pint. It's not the same. > > Immediately after making the CS, the PWT generally reads higher than the > next day. That's because there is more ionic silver then than after some > of the particles have become colloidal. The total amount of silver in the > water is the same. Only the ratio of ionic to colloidal has changed. The > strength hasn't decreased as some people think because the PWT only reads > ionic portions. That's why we say in our instructions that the reading > will be lower the next day. > > As far as buildup on electrodes is concerned, if one insists on running in > large volumes of water and trying to make high PPM, there will obviously be > a buildup of elemental silver on the cathode. That's to be expected. It > isn't usually a problem if one is making lower PPM CS. > > Hope this helps. > > Trem > www.silvergen.com > > At 05:47 PM 1/17/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > >I have the SG6-very happy with my generator. > >I have done some experiementing with the way I make my CS. > > > >I would like to compare my brew with stirring vs. bubbling and please > >comments as too the differences. > > > >I use a 64 fl. oz. coffee creamer container to make my CS. > > > >Some days...using the stir....it seems to take longer. Not observant enough > >to say why one day is different vs. another. > > > >Here are the comparisons of the last two batches made: > > > >--First brew: > >Stirred batch. > >Seeded, ppm per Hanna PWT 4ppm. > >I cleaned electrodes (with heavy build up) 3 x's during the brew. > > > >After 36 hours of generation...the ppm per Hanna was about 18ppm. Indicator > >light, indicating that the brew had not reached 20pppm (as dialed) was still > >on. > >My stirred CS ALWAYS reads a lower number the next day, when retested. Often > >I will turn the generator back on, let it run again until the indicator > >light goes off. > > > >Allowed the brew to sit overnight. A lot of precipitate in the container. > >Did not bother to retest the ppm. ( I expected it to be lower than what > >measured the night before) > >I gave up on that brew...used it in the bathwater.... > > > >--Second brew: > >Bubbled batch-stirrer removed. > > > >Seeded DW ppm at start 4ppm. > >10 hrs. later: indicator light off. > >I did not clean the electrodes at all. > >I shut down the generator. > >Did not test the ppm. > >left til this AM, testing ppm with Hanna, the ppm is 26ppm. (set at 20ppm) > > > >Some, but little precipitate....electrodes with little build up. > > > > > >My observed main points > > > >-bubbled CS consistently more stable after brew sits (ppm's do not fall from > >one day to the next) > >-bubbled CS consistently has less build up on the electrodes, less > >precipitate in the container. > >-bubbled CS consistently able to achieve higher ppm (per Hanna) > >-occassionally will get pale yellow CS with stir, never with bubbled > >-consistently stirred CS will turn ashen with even minimal exposure to > >light, bubbled does not seem to (I have not specifically ''tested'' this.) > >-brew time for higher ppm's consistenly quicker with bubbler. (this case 36 > >hours for less than 20ppm stirred vs. 10 hrs. for 26ppm bubbled) > > > >I have no clue why such a difference. I know Ole Bob you do not like the > >bubbler, I believe also Trem that you prefer stir.... > > > >Could someone explain some of these differences for me...in terms I could > >understand.... > >and if bubbling is not good, why....when it appears to make a better > >product? > > > >TIA > >Connie > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com>
