Well put, but NO, he is not part of a large firm. The customer is a large company but they are trying to get out of protecting under the conveyors...I think they are self insured...but the AHJ stuck to his guns.
Greg McGahan Operations Manager Living Water Fire Protection 1160 McKenzie Road P.O. Box 877 Cantonment, Florida 32533 (850) 937.1850 | Fax (850) 937.1852 | Cell (850) 554.3231 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: conveyors Not that I want to get in the way of a distinguished FPE, but it would seem to me that you would treat this more as an obstruction or mezzanine. Rack storage you are trying to protect a single entity and are using multiple levels of protection, so balancing would be appropriate. In this case, you are trying to protect a space below conveyors, which would fall more like a mezzanine and require a separate calc. However, if your distinguished FPE is with a distinguished FPE firm and this if for a large national account, either they or the insurance company may have their own ideas. At 11:39 AM 2/14/2009, you wrote: >In a storage facility (similar to fed ex or UPS) with large >conveyors that are to be protected on a separate system, do you have >to balance the calcs with the overhead system like you do on a rack system? > >FYI - there is a distinguished FPE involved but he is out of pocket >for the weekend and I need to make headway on this project.. > >Thanks > >Greg McGahan >Operations Manager > >Living Water Fire Protection >1160 McKenzie Road >P.O. Box 877 >Cantonment, Florida 32533 >(850) 937.1850 | Fax (850) 937.1852 | Cell (850) 554.3231 >[email protected] > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman >Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 7:27 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: water source heat pumps > >If it is a high rise and these "closets" are not part of a continuous >rated shaft how could you justify penetrations through the floors? > >On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Todd Williams <[email protected]> wrote: > > What is the construction of the space? Are there exposed wood joists? Other > > combustible loading? Does the hatch allow a person into the space or would > > all work on the heat pumps have to be reaching through the > opening? If it is > > an unaccessible, N/C space, would 8.14.1.2.2 (2002) apply? > > > > > > At 04:08 PM 2/13/2009, you wrote: > >> > >> A call to NFPA gets us to here: > >> > >> It doesn't fit anywhere to omit protection, but common sense would dictate > >> that it is not required. > >> > >> He suggested we try hanging on to 8.15.1.2.1. > >> > >> Does anyone have any experience with these? > >> > >> Greg McGahan > >> Operations Manager > >> > >> Living Water Fire Protection > >> 1160 McKenzie Road > >> P.O. Box 877 > >> Cantonment, Florida 32533 > >> (850) 937.1850 | Fax (850) 937.1852 | Cell (850) 554.3231 > >> [email protected] > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Greg McGahan > >> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:45 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: RE: water source heat pumps > >> > >> Just got more info. The unit sits in a "closet" but there is NO ACCESS > >> except through a panel on the front of the unit that allows access to the > >> air filter. > >> > >> The only questionable fact to me is that there is an electric fan in the > >> heat pump. > >> > >> > >> Greg McGahan > >> Operations Manager > >> > >> Living Water Fire Protection > >> 1160 McKenzie Road > >> P.O. Box 877 > >> Cantonment, Florida 32533 > >> (850) 937.1850 | Fax (850) 937.1852 | Cell (850) 554.3231 > >> [email protected] > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > John O'Connor > >> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:36 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: RE: water source heat pumps > >> > >> Greg, > >> One drawback that I see is future service work by another contractor, > >> thinking that the entire floor is isolated by the FCV and having that one > >> LIVE vertical branchline feeding all the utility closets. Could be a > >> problem. > >> > >> John R. O'Connor > >> National Fire Sprinklers, Inc. > >> Nashville TN > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg > >> McGahan > >> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 1:48 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: water source heat pumps > >> > >> OK gang I need some advice hopefully based on experience. > >> > >> We are doing an independent hotel that is being constructed more like a > >> typical condominium. In the far end of each unit (room), there is a small > >> enclosed closet without a door, but with a removable cover that houses a > >> Water Source Heat Pump. > >> > >> I have assumed sprinkler will be required up to this point but I am open > >> to > >> comments on that. There is NO WAY to get concealed piping to the closet at > >> this time. The Building is 9 Stories tall with separate FCV's on each > >> floor > >> etc. > >> > >> My Question is can I feed these closets like a shaft from the 1st floor > >> system all of the way up in order to avoid a lot of grief and trouble to > >> get > >> the owner to add soffits in every Unit? > >> > >> All comments welcome except those that point out something painfully > >> obvious > >> I may be missing. > >> > >> Greg McGahan > >> Operations Manager > >> > >> Living Water Fire Protection > >> 1160 McKenzie Road > >> P.O. 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