Jack, I did really put my size 11 into my mouth this time. I confused Haji with Aydin, who is also on this list, and at least works out of Turkey. That said I plead cultural ignorance and throw myself on the mercy of the group. I had no intention of offending and I have apologized publicly and privately to Haji and am happy to apologize to you also if I did offend in any way.
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 9:25 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Ron > I reckon you are offending him more by calling him Turkish. His is a genuine > Arabic name, but can't say his nationality from the name. I'm of Turkish > origin and wouldn't like to be called Arabic. No relationship between race, > origins, language, culture except majority of Turks and Arabs follow Islamic > faith. > Cheers > Jack Cahit Kilavuz > Tel: +65 6423 0552 > Mob: +65 9277 5741 > Fax: +65 6423 0798 > Sent via BlackBerry > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron Greenman [[email protected]] > Sent: 09/04/2009 08:49 AM MST > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Fire Sprinker System Changes in Vis Lab > > > > So now a cultural question? I noticed Stewart used Haji as the > salutation and I used Jaber (based on Haji, Jaber M.). I expect > Stewart is correct considering sophisticated European versus backwoods > American but I don't want to offend our Turkish colleague. Could I > please be set straight. > > On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Stewart Kidd<[email protected]> > wrote: >> Haji >> >> Missed the first post. >> >> While preaction systems are one way to appease the fears of the anti >> sprinkler lobby, I have major philosophical problems with the >> rationale of taking a simple, effective system with an incredibly high >> success rate and very low failure rate and then making it more >> complicated and trebling the failure mode probability. (As an aside, >> UK insurers have largely withdrawn their support for pre-action >> systems and new systems are becoming rare in Europe as a whole). >> >> Why not ask those who are objecting to the presence of sprinklers to >> justify their decision based on evidence/experience of false alarms/ >> leaks/system failures ? Point out that major museums, galleries, >> libraries are national archives are all sprinkler protected. Tell that >> IBM sprinkler their factories and their own machine rooms. >> >> Given the time of year, it makes me wonder if someone is suffering >> from low blood sugar(pre Iftar) or an hyperactive gall bladder (post >> Futoor). >> >> Eid Mubarak ! >> >> Stewart >> On 4 Sep 2009, at 14:24, Haji, Jaber M wrote: >> >>> It is a three floors level area, what are the minimum requirements >>> to convert such wet system to a double interlock pre-action system? >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: [email protected] [sprinklerforum- >>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Reed Roisum >>> [[email protected]] >>> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 3:46 PM >>> To: '[email protected]' >>> Subject: RE: Fire Sprinker System Changes in Vis Lab >>> >>> Jaber, >>> >>> What kind of advisement are you looking for? The plan for >>> protecting this space with NOVEC 1230 and using VESDA early warning >>> detection sounds like the way to go. Are you questioning removing >>> the sprinkler system? You will most likely need AHJ approval to >>> install only the clean agent system in lieu of sprinklers (although >>> this isn't IBC world is it?). You might want to advise the owner to >>> consider having a sprinkler system 'back up'. Sounds like a pre- >>> action system would be warranted with the level of fear it sounds >>> like they have. You can also try to dispel some of the unfounded >>> fears they probably have regarding accidental discharges, but don't >>> expect them to be ok with a wet system remaining in this space. >>> There are a number of other considerations to be made...such as >>> sealing of the room. Does it have a drop ceiling? >>> We can discuss more once I know what you are after. >>> >>> >>> Reed A. 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Thank you. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Haji, >>> Jaber M >>> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 5:52 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Fire Sprinker System Changes in Vis Lab >>> >>> Your insights/advised are highly appreciated pertaining to a new >>> visualization lab in new university protected by automatic sprinkler >>> system and the vendor of the visualization equipment is worried >>> about sprinkler leakage. Have a look at his draft letter highlighted >>> bellow and advise us accordingly. Thanks in advance. >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Changes to sprinkler system in Vislab Area of building one. >>> >>> The current sprinkler arrangement in the vislab section of building >>> puts our visualization equipment at significant risk. The water based >>> system if it goes off could easily ruin millions of dollars of >>> equipment in a very short period of time. Including all Sony >>> projectors that drive the CAVE and MPR areas. >>> >>> For this reason it is imperative that we make changes in these spaces >>> to the current fire system. Visualization laboratory a plan for >>> corrective action has been prepared and is recommended as >>> the best course of action. >>> >>> First the building fire detection system should be extended to the Vis >>> lab Data Center, Recording Room, DS1, DS2/3, CAVE and MPR Projection >>> spaces. This will ensure timely notification of any emergency to the >>> response team. >>> >>> Second the current sprinkler system in the above areas should be >>> closed and drained of water to ensure no accidents can cause loss of >>> equipment through water damage. Additional Fire Extinguishers should >>> be placed in these areas as well. >>> >>> Third a permanent solution utilizing VESDA detection system and NOVEC >>> fire suppression system should be installed in all of these areas. >>> The installation should be carried out >>> in such a way to minimize laboratory downtime to a maximum of >>> a single week. 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