So now  a cultural question? I noticed Stewart used Haji as the
salutation and I used Jaber (based on Haji, Jaber M.). I expect
Stewart is correct considering sophisticated European versus backwoods
American but I don't want to offend our Turkish colleague. Could I
please be set straight.

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Stewart Kidd<[email protected]> wrote:
> Haji
>
> Missed the first post.
>
> While preaction systems are one way to appease the fears of the anti
> sprinkler lobby, I have major philosophical problems with the
> rationale of taking a simple, effective system with an incredibly high
> success rate and very low failure rate and then making it more
> complicated and trebling the failure mode probability. (As an aside,
> UK insurers have largely withdrawn their support for pre-action
> systems and new systems are becoming rare in Europe as a whole).
>
> Why not ask those who are objecting to the presence of sprinklers to
> justify their decision based on evidence/experience of false alarms/
> leaks/system failures ?  Point out that major museums, galleries,
> libraries are national archives are all sprinkler protected. Tell that
> IBM sprinkler their factories and their own machine rooms.
>
> Given the time of year, it makes me wonder if someone is suffering
> from low blood sugar(pre Iftar) or an hyperactive gall bladder (post
> Futoor).
>
> Eid Mubarak !
>
> Stewart
> On 4 Sep 2009, at 14:24, Haji, Jaber M wrote:
>
>> It is a three floors level area, what are the minimum requirements
>> to convert such wet system to a double interlock pre-action system?
>> ________________________________________
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>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Reed Roisum
>> [[email protected]]
>> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 3:46 PM
>> To: '[email protected]'
>> Subject: RE: Fire Sprinker System Changes in Vis Lab
>>
>> Jaber,
>>
>> What kind of advisement are you looking for?  The plan for
>> protecting this space with NOVEC 1230 and using VESDA early warning
>> detection sounds like the way to go.  Are you questioning removing
>> the sprinkler system?  You will most likely need AHJ approval to
>> install only the clean agent system in lieu of sprinklers (although
>> this isn't IBC world is it?).  You might want to advise the owner to
>> consider having a sprinkler system 'back up'.  Sounds like a pre-
>> action system would be warranted with the level of fear it sounds
>> like they have.  You can also try to dispel some of the unfounded
>> fears they probably have regarding accidental discharges, but don't
>> expect them to be ok with a wet system remaining in this space.
>> There are a number of other considerations to be made...such as
>> sealing of the room.  Does it have a drop ceiling?
>> We can discuss more once I know what you are after.
>>
>>
>> Reed A. Roisum, CET
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Haji,
>> Jaber M
>> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 5:52 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Fire Sprinker System Changes in Vis Lab
>>
>> Your insights/advised are highly appreciated pertaining to a new
>> visualization lab in new university protected by automatic sprinkler
>> system and the vendor of the visualization equipment is worried
>> about sprinkler leakage. Have a look at his draft letter highlighted
>> bellow and advise us accordingly. Thanks in advance.
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Changes to sprinkler system in Vislab Area of building one.
>>
>> The current sprinkler arrangement in the vislab section of building
>> puts our visualization equipment at significant risk.  The water based
>> system if it goes off could easily ruin millions of dollars of
>> equipment in a very short period of time.  Including all Sony
>> projectors that drive the CAVE and MPR areas.
>>
>> For this reason it is imperative that we make changes in these spaces
>> to the current fire system.  Visualization laboratory a plan for
>> corrective action has been prepared and is recommended as
>> the best course of action.
>>
>> First the building fire detection system should be extended to the Vis
>> lab Data Center, Recording Room, DS1, DS2/3, CAVE and MPR Projection
>> spaces.  This will ensure timely notification of any emergency to the
>> response team.
>>
>> Second the current sprinkler system in the above areas should be
>> closed and drained of water to ensure no accidents can cause loss of
>> equipment through water damage.  Additional Fire Extinguishers should
>> be placed in these areas as well.
>>
>> Third a permanent solution utilizing VESDA detection system and NOVEC
>> fire suppression system should be installed in all of these areas.
>> The installation should be carried out
>> in such a way to minimize laboratory downtime to a maximum of
>> a single week.  We believe this can be done by the careful removal of
>> the most delicate equipment from the lab space, covering the remainder
>> in protective plastic and having NOVEC piping installed and configured
>> after the delicate equipment has been removed.
>>
>> A similar adjustment must be made to the two lecture hall projection
>> rooms containing Sony 4K projectors.
>>
>> We  believe that these changes would be in the best interest of a
>> long term protection of its investment in its visualization equipment.
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