So now a cultural question? I noticed Stewart used Haji as the salutation and I used Jaber (based on Haji, Jaber M.). I expect Stewart is correct considering sophisticated European versus backwoods American but I don't want to offend our Turkish colleague. Could I please be set straight.
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Stewart Kidd<[email protected]> wrote: > Haji > > Missed the first post. > > While preaction systems are one way to appease the fears of the anti > sprinkler lobby, I have major philosophical problems with the > rationale of taking a simple, effective system with an incredibly high > success rate and very low failure rate and then making it more > complicated and trebling the failure mode probability. (As an aside, > UK insurers have largely withdrawn their support for pre-action > systems and new systems are becoming rare in Europe as a whole). > > Why not ask those who are objecting to the presence of sprinklers to > justify their decision based on evidence/experience of false alarms/ > leaks/system failures ? Point out that major museums, galleries, > libraries are national archives are all sprinkler protected. Tell that > IBM sprinkler their factories and their own machine rooms. > > Given the time of year, it makes me wonder if someone is suffering > from low blood sugar(pre Iftar) or an hyperactive gall bladder (post > Futoor). > > Eid Mubarak ! > > Stewart > On 4 Sep 2009, at 14:24, Haji, Jaber M wrote: > >> It is a three floors level area, what are the minimum requirements >> to convert such wet system to a double interlock pre-action system? >> ________________________________________ >> From: [email protected] [sprinklerforum- >> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Reed Roisum >> [[email protected]] >> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 3:46 PM >> To: '[email protected]' >> Subject: RE: Fire Sprinker System Changes in Vis Lab >> >> Jaber, >> >> What kind of advisement are you looking for? The plan for >> protecting this space with NOVEC 1230 and using VESDA early warning >> detection sounds like the way to go. Are you questioning removing >> the sprinkler system? You will most likely need AHJ approval to >> install only the clean agent system in lieu of sprinklers (although >> this isn't IBC world is it?). You might want to advise the owner to >> consider having a sprinkler system 'back up'. Sounds like a pre- >> action system would be warranted with the level of fear it sounds >> like they have. You can also try to dispel some of the unfounded >> fears they probably have regarding accidental discharges, but don't >> expect them to be ok with a wet system remaining in this space. >> There are a number of other considerations to be made...such as >> sealing of the room. Does it have a drop ceiling? >> We can discuss more once I know what you are after. >> >> >> Reed A. 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Thank you. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Haji, >> Jaber M >> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 5:52 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Fire Sprinker System Changes in Vis Lab >> >> Your insights/advised are highly appreciated pertaining to a new >> visualization lab in new university protected by automatic sprinkler >> system and the vendor of the visualization equipment is worried >> about sprinkler leakage. Have a look at his draft letter highlighted >> bellow and advise us accordingly. Thanks in advance. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Changes to sprinkler system in Vislab Area of building one. >> >> The current sprinkler arrangement in the vislab section of building >> puts our visualization equipment at significant risk. The water based >> system if it goes off could easily ruin millions of dollars of >> equipment in a very short period of time. Including all Sony >> projectors that drive the CAVE and MPR areas. >> >> For this reason it is imperative that we make changes in these spaces >> to the current fire system. Visualization laboratory a plan for >> corrective action has been prepared and is recommended as >> the best course of action. >> >> First the building fire detection system should be extended to the Vis >> lab Data Center, Recording Room, DS1, DS2/3, CAVE and MPR Projection >> spaces. This will ensure timely notification of any emergency to the >> response team. >> >> Second the current sprinkler system in the above areas should be >> closed and drained of water to ensure no accidents can cause loss of >> equipment through water damage. Additional Fire Extinguishers should >> be placed in these areas as well. >> >> Third a permanent solution utilizing VESDA detection system and NOVEC >> fire suppression system should be installed in all of these areas. >> The installation should be carried out >> in such a way to minimize laboratory downtime to a maximum of >> a single week. 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