Ron

'Haji' is an honorific representing Jaber Mohammed's status as a  
Moslem male who has made the 'Haj', (the pilgrimage to Mecca) - it's  
kind of optional but most people who use the word in their name  
appreciate their status being acknowledged.  Jaber probably has two or  
three other names - including bin X (where X is his father's name) and  
even an 'al Y' (where Y could be a tribal name or the name of the town  
where he comes from. Its not simple !

Trying getting a Brit to explain to you why some of us use 'Esquire'  
after our names !  (It always cracks me up to see female lawyers in  
the US putting 'Esq.' on their business cards.)

Stewart


On 4 Sep 2009, at 16:49, Ron Greenman wrote:

> So now  a cultural question? I noticed Stewart used Haji as the
> salutation and I used Jaber (based on Haji, Jaber M.). I expect
> Stewart is correct considering sophisticated European versus backwoods
> American but I don't want to offend our Turkish colleague. Could I
> please be set straight.
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Stewart Kidd<[email protected] 
> > wrote:
>> Haji
>>
>> Missed the first post.
>>
>> While preaction systems are one way to appease the fears of the anti
>> sprinkler lobby, I have major philosophical problems with the
>> rationale of taking a simple, effective system with an incredibly  
>> high
>> success rate and very low failure rate and then making it more
>> complicated and trebling the failure mode probability. (As an aside,
>> UK insurers have largely withdrawn their support for pre-action
>> systems and new systems are becoming rare in Europe as a whole).
>>
>> Why not ask those who are objecting to the presence of sprinklers to
>> justify their decision based on evidence/experience of false alarms/
>> leaks/system failures ?  Point out that major museums, galleries,
>> libraries are national archives are all sprinkler protected. Tell  
>> that
>> IBM sprinkler their factories and their own machine rooms.
>>
>> Given the time of year, it makes me wonder if someone is suffering
>> from low blood sugar(pre Iftar) or an hyperactive gall bladder (post
>> Futoor).
>>
>> Eid Mubarak !
>>
>> Stewart
>> On 4 Sep 2009, at 14:24, Haji, Jaber M wrote:
>>
>>> It is a three floors level area, what are the minimum requirements
>>> to convert such wet system to a double interlock pre-action system?
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: [email protected] [sprinklerforum-
>>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Reed Roisum
>>> [[email protected]]
>>> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 3:46 PM
>>> To: '[email protected]'
>>> Subject: RE: Fire Sprinker System Changes in Vis Lab
>>>
>>> Jaber,
>>>
>>> What kind of advisement are you looking for?  The plan for
>>> protecting this space with NOVEC 1230 and using VESDA early warning
>>> detection sounds like the way to go.  Are you questioning removing
>>> the sprinkler system?  You will most likely need AHJ approval to
>>> install only the clean agent system in lieu of sprinklers (although
>>> this isn't IBC world is it?).  You might want to advise the owner to
>>> consider having a sprinkler system 'back up'.  Sounds like a pre-
>>> action system would be warranted with the level of fear it sounds
>>> like they have.  You can also try to dispel some of the unfounded
>>> fears they probably have regarding accidental discharges, but don't
>>> expect them to be ok with a wet system remaining in this space.
>>> There are a number of other considerations to be made...such as
>>> sealing of the room.  Does it have a drop ceiling?
>>> We can discuss more once I know what you are after.
>>>
>>>
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [email protected]
>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Haji,
>>> Jaber M
>>> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 5:52 AM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: Fire Sprinker System Changes in Vis Lab
>>>
>>> Your insights/advised are highly appreciated pertaining to a new
>>> visualization lab in new university protected by automatic sprinkler
>>> system and the vendor of the visualization equipment is worried
>>> about sprinkler leakage. Have a look at his draft letter highlighted
>>> bellow and advise us accordingly. Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Changes to sprinkler system in Vislab Area of building one.
>>>
>>> The current sprinkler arrangement in the vislab section of building
>>> puts our visualization equipment at significant risk.  The water  
>>> based
>>> system if it goes off could easily ruin millions of dollars of
>>> equipment in a very short period of time.  Including all Sony
>>> projectors that drive the CAVE and MPR areas.
>>>
>>> For this reason it is imperative that we make changes in these  
>>> spaces
>>> to the current fire system.  Visualization laboratory a plan for
>>> corrective action has been prepared and is recommended as
>>> the best course of action.
>>>
>>> First the building fire detection system should be extended to the  
>>> Vis
>>> lab Data Center, Recording Room, DS1, DS2/3, CAVE and MPR Projection
>>> spaces.  This will ensure timely notification of any emergency to  
>>> the
>>> response team.
>>>
>>> Second the current sprinkler system in the above areas should be
>>> closed and drained of water to ensure no accidents can cause loss of
>>> equipment through water damage.  Additional Fire Extinguishers  
>>> should
>>> be placed in these areas as well.
>>>
>>> Third a permanent solution utilizing VESDA detection system and  
>>> NOVEC
>>> fire suppression system should be installed in all of these areas.
>>> The installation should be carried out
>>> in such a way to minimize laboratory downtime to a maximum of
>>> a single week.  We believe this can be done by the careful removal  
>>> of
>>> the most delicate equipment from the lab space, covering the  
>>> remainder
>>> in protective plastic and having NOVEC piping installed and  
>>> configured
>>> after the delicate equipment has been removed.
>>>
>>> A similar adjustment must be made to the two lecture hall projection
>>> rooms containing Sony 4K projectors.
>>>
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>>> long term protection of its investment in its visualization  
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