Well then, my apologies to our friend Haji and thanks for the explanation. I am one bit more culturally aware than I was.
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Stewart Kidd<[email protected]> wrote: > Ron > > 'Haji' is an honorific representing Jaber Mohammed's status as a > Moslem male who has made the 'Haj', (the pilgrimage to Mecca) - it's > kind of optional but most people who use the word in their name > appreciate their status being acknowledged. Jaber probably has two or > three other names - including bin X (where X is his father's name) and > even an 'al Y' (where Y could be a tribal name or the name of the town > where he comes from. Its not simple ! > > Trying getting a Brit to explain to you why some of us use 'Esquire' > after our names ! (It always cracks me up to see female lawyers in > the US putting 'Esq.' on their business cards.) > > Stewart > > > On 4 Sep 2009, at 16:49, Ron Greenman wrote: > >> So now a cultural question? I noticed Stewart used Haji as the >> salutation and I used Jaber (based on Haji, Jaber M.). I expect >> Stewart is correct considering sophisticated European versus backwoods >> American but I don't want to offend our Turkish colleague. Could I >> please be set straight. >> >> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Stewart Kidd<[email protected] >> > wrote: >>> Haji >>> >>> Missed the first post. >>> >>> While preaction systems are one way to appease the fears of the anti >>> sprinkler lobby, I have major philosophical problems with the >>> rationale of taking a simple, effective system with an incredibly >>> high >>> success rate and very low failure rate and then making it more >>> complicated and trebling the failure mode probability. (As an aside, >>> UK insurers have largely withdrawn their support for pre-action >>> systems and new systems are becoming rare in Europe as a whole). >>> >>> Why not ask those who are objecting to the presence of sprinklers to >>> justify their decision based on evidence/experience of false alarms/ >>> leaks/system failures ? Point out that major museums, galleries, >>> libraries are national archives are all sprinkler protected. Tell >>> that >>> IBM sprinkler their factories and their own machine rooms. >>> >>> Given the time of year, it makes me wonder if someone is suffering >>> from low blood sugar(pre Iftar) or an hyperactive gall bladder (post >>> Futoor). >>> >>> Eid Mubarak ! >>> >>> Stewart >>> On 4 Sep 2009, at 14:24, Haji, Jaber M wrote: >>> >>>> It is a three floors level area, what are the minimum requirements >>>> to convert such wet system to a double interlock pre-action system? >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: [email protected] [sprinklerforum- >>>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Reed Roisum >>>> [[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 3:46 PM >>>> To: '[email protected]' >>>> Subject: RE: Fire Sprinker System Changes in Vis Lab >>>> >>>> Jaber, >>>> >>>> What kind of advisement are you looking for? The plan for >>>> protecting this space with NOVEC 1230 and using VESDA early warning >>>> detection sounds like the way to go. Are you questioning removing >>>> the sprinkler system? You will most likely need AHJ approval to >>>> install only the clean agent system in lieu of sprinklers (although >>>> this isn't IBC world is it?). You might want to advise the owner to >>>> consider having a sprinkler system 'back up'. Sounds like a pre- >>>> action system would be warranted with the level of fear it sounds >>>> like they have. You can also try to dispel some of the unfounded >>>> fears they probably have regarding accidental discharges, but don't >>>> expect them to be ok with a wet system remaining in this space. >>>> There are a number of other considerations to be made...such as >>>> sealing of the room. Does it have a drop ceiling? >>>> We can discuss more once I know what you are after. >>>> >>>> >>>> Reed A. 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Thank you. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Haji, >>>> Jaber M >>>> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 5:52 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Fire Sprinker System Changes in Vis Lab >>>> >>>> Your insights/advised are highly appreciated pertaining to a new >>>> visualization lab in new university protected by automatic sprinkler >>>> system and the vendor of the visualization equipment is worried >>>> about sprinkler leakage. Have a look at his draft letter highlighted >>>> bellow and advise us accordingly. Thanks in advance. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Changes to sprinkler system in Vislab Area of building one. >>>> >>>> The current sprinkler arrangement in the vislab section of building >>>> puts our visualization equipment at significant risk. The water >>>> based >>>> system if it goes off could easily ruin millions of dollars of >>>> equipment in a very short period of time. Including all Sony >>>> projectors that drive the CAVE and MPR areas. >>>> >>>> For this reason it is imperative that we make changes in these >>>> spaces >>>> to the current fire system. Visualization laboratory a plan for >>>> corrective action has been prepared and is recommended as >>>> the best course of action. >>>> >>>> First the building fire detection system should be extended to the >>>> Vis >>>> lab Data Center, Recording Room, DS1, DS2/3, CAVE and MPR Projection >>>> spaces. This will ensure timely notification of any emergency to >>>> the >>>> response team. >>>> >>>> Second the current sprinkler system in the above areas should be >>>> closed and drained of water to ensure no accidents can cause loss of >>>> equipment through water damage. 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