Well then, my apologies to our friend Haji and thanks for the
explanation. I am one bit more culturally aware than I was.

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Stewart Kidd<[email protected]> wrote:
> Ron
>
> 'Haji' is an honorific representing Jaber Mohammed's status as a
> Moslem male who has made the 'Haj', (the pilgrimage to Mecca) - it's
> kind of optional but most people who use the word in their name
> appreciate their status being acknowledged.  Jaber probably has two or
> three other names - including bin X (where X is his father's name) and
> even an 'al Y' (where Y could be a tribal name or the name of the town
> where he comes from. Its not simple !
>
> Trying getting a Brit to explain to you why some of us use 'Esquire'
> after our names !  (It always cracks me up to see female lawyers in
> the US putting 'Esq.' on their business cards.)
>
> Stewart
>
>
> On 4 Sep 2009, at 16:49, Ron Greenman wrote:
>
>> So now  a cultural question? I noticed Stewart used Haji as the
>> salutation and I used Jaber (based on Haji, Jaber M.). I expect
>> Stewart is correct considering sophisticated European versus backwoods
>> American but I don't want to offend our Turkish colleague. Could I
>> please be set straight.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Stewart Kidd<[email protected]
>> > wrote:
>>> Haji
>>>
>>> Missed the first post.
>>>
>>> While preaction systems are one way to appease the fears of the anti
>>> sprinkler lobby, I have major philosophical problems with the
>>> rationale of taking a simple, effective system with an incredibly
>>> high
>>> success rate and very low failure rate and then making it more
>>> complicated and trebling the failure mode probability. (As an aside,
>>> UK insurers have largely withdrawn their support for pre-action
>>> systems and new systems are becoming rare in Europe as a whole).
>>>
>>> Why not ask those who are objecting to the presence of sprinklers to
>>> justify their decision based on evidence/experience of false alarms/
>>> leaks/system failures ?  Point out that major museums, galleries,
>>> libraries are national archives are all sprinkler protected. Tell
>>> that
>>> IBM sprinkler their factories and their own machine rooms.
>>>
>>> Given the time of year, it makes me wonder if someone is suffering
>>> from low blood sugar(pre Iftar) or an hyperactive gall bladder (post
>>> Futoor).
>>>
>>> Eid Mubarak !
>>>
>>> Stewart
>>> On 4 Sep 2009, at 14:24, Haji, Jaber M wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is a three floors level area, what are the minimum requirements
>>>> to convert such wet system to a double interlock pre-action system?
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: [email protected] [sprinklerforum-
>>>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Reed Roisum
>>>> [[email protected]]
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 3:46 PM
>>>> To: '[email protected]'
>>>> Subject: RE: Fire Sprinker System Changes in Vis Lab
>>>>
>>>> Jaber,
>>>>
>>>> What kind of advisement are you looking for?  The plan for
>>>> protecting this space with NOVEC 1230 and using VESDA early warning
>>>> detection sounds like the way to go.  Are you questioning removing
>>>> the sprinkler system?  You will most likely need AHJ approval to
>>>> install only the clean agent system in lieu of sprinklers (although
>>>> this isn't IBC world is it?).  You might want to advise the owner to
>>>> consider having a sprinkler system 'back up'.  Sounds like a pre-
>>>> action system would be warranted with the level of fear it sounds
>>>> like they have.  You can also try to dispel some of the unfounded
>>>> fears they probably have regarding accidental discharges, but don't
>>>> expect them to be ok with a wet system remaining in this space.
>>>> There are a number of other considerations to be made...such as
>>>> sealing of the room.  Does it have a drop ceiling?
>>>> We can discuss more once I know what you are after.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Reed A. Roisum, CET
>>>> Fire Protection
>>>>
>>>> Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
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>>>> Fargo, ND 58104
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [email protected]
>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Haji,
>>>> Jaber M
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 5:52 AM
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Subject: Fire Sprinker System Changes in Vis Lab
>>>>
>>>> Your insights/advised are highly appreciated pertaining to a new
>>>> visualization lab in new university protected by automatic sprinkler
>>>> system and the vendor of the visualization equipment is worried
>>>> about sprinkler leakage. Have a look at his draft letter highlighted
>>>> bellow and advise us accordingly. Thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Changes to sprinkler system in Vislab Area of building one.
>>>>
>>>> The current sprinkler arrangement in the vislab section of building
>>>> puts our visualization equipment at significant risk.  The water
>>>> based
>>>> system if it goes off could easily ruin millions of dollars of
>>>> equipment in a very short period of time.  Including all Sony
>>>> projectors that drive the CAVE and MPR areas.
>>>>
>>>> For this reason it is imperative that we make changes in these
>>>> spaces
>>>> to the current fire system.  Visualization laboratory a plan for
>>>> corrective action has been prepared and is recommended as
>>>> the best course of action.
>>>>
>>>> First the building fire detection system should be extended to the
>>>> Vis
>>>> lab Data Center, Recording Room, DS1, DS2/3, CAVE and MPR Projection
>>>> spaces.  This will ensure timely notification of any emergency to
>>>> the
>>>> response team.
>>>>
>>>> Second the current sprinkler system in the above areas should be
>>>> closed and drained of water to ensure no accidents can cause loss of
>>>> equipment through water damage.  Additional Fire Extinguishers
>>>> should
>>>> be placed in these areas as well.
>>>>
>>>> Third a permanent solution utilizing VESDA detection system and
>>>> NOVEC
>>>> fire suppression system should be installed in all of these areas.
>>>> The installation should be carried out
>>>> in such a way to minimize laboratory downtime to a maximum of
>>>> a single week.  We believe this can be done by the careful removal
>>>> of
>>>> the most delicate equipment from the lab space, covering the
>>>> remainder
>>>> in protective plastic and having NOVEC piping installed and
>>>> configured
>>>> after the delicate equipment has been removed.
>>>>
>>>> A similar adjustment must be made to the two lecture hall projection
>>>> rooms containing Sony 4K projectors.
>>>>
>>>> We  believe that these changes would be in the best interest of a
>>>> long term protection of its investment in its visualization
>>>> equipment.
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