OK, well  in his defense. He doesn't have anything other than a sprinkler
drawing showing a max 12' storage height. The EOR has not provided the
basis of his design criteria, ie , the OIC. In addition, he can drive 4
miles and walk in another identical store - same chain and see how they are
storing.

To make things worse, the Sprinkler guy sent the AHJ 3 documents to prove
the OH2 -

1)  A Coffee Break Training sheet - one page only that discuss flue spaces,
of which there are one in this facility
2) A page from NFPA #13 Chapter 16 - Rack Storage - and has two passages
marked - one is about column protection not being needed if in racks are
provided ( there are no in rack sprinklers, and the column protection is
not the issue and the other is about foam protection - again not provided)
3) the table from chapter 13 with OH2 circled for 10-12' storage in
palletized, bin box and shelf configuration - again, by definition this is
not shelf storage.

Therefore, the AHJ feels like somebody is blowing smoke and that pretty
much ticks him off.

Greg

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Cahill, Christopher
<[email protected]>wrote:

> AHJ meaning some gov't official.
>
> 'It falls to the AHJ to enforce the 12' storage height.'  True
>
> 'Can an AHJ reject a plan that meets stated maximum storage height
> criteria because he thinks someone might exceed that?' Absolutely not, just
> as the police can't give you a ticket because you drive a Mustang that is
> capable of (far) exceeding the speed limit.
>
> 'he can ask that they remove the top shelf', absolutely not, the shelf is
> not an apparent violation.
>
> 'Many large box stores have lines painted on the walls to indicate maximum
> storage height.' True, but that's a communication tool between owner and
> employees, an AHJ cannot require or enforce the presence of the line.
>
> Chris Cahill, PE*
> Senior Fire Protection Engineer, Aviation & Facilities Group
> Burns & McDonnell
> 8201 Norman Center Drive
> Bloomington, MN 55437
> Phone:  952.656.3652
> Fax:  952.229.2923
> [email protected]
> www.burnsmcd.com
>
> Proud to be one of FORTUNE's 100 Best Companies to Work For
> *Registered in: MN
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Hill
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 8:02 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: solid shelves in auto parts stores
>
> My first thought on seeing this was mercantile space (OH2) with
> miscellaneous storage of higher commodities. Depending on height and
> storage method this could also be OH2. Of course a lot more research needs
> to be done on materials and method of storage to determine if the
> miscellaneous storage section could be applied.
>
> IMO if it is designed for 12' storage and 12' maximum storage height is
> clearly called for on the drawings it is the owner/tenant responsibility to
> maintain 12' storage height. It falls to the AHJ to enforce the 12' storage
> height. Many large box stores have lines painted on the walls to indicate
> maximum storage height. Can an AHJ reject a plan that meets stated maximum
> storage height criteria because he thinks someone might exceed that? He can
> make it clear that 12' is the maximum storage height, he can ask that they
> remove the top shelf and he can let the owner/tenant know the penalty for
> exceeding the maximum height. The penalty, I guess, could include the
> closing of the store until the violation is corrected.
>
> Mike Hill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg
> McGahan
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:14 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: solid shelves in auto parts stores
>
> Hello,
>
> 1) There is a PE involved
> 2) This is not my job, but I am trying to be a friend to the AHJ'
> 3) I can't readily put my hands on this due to other issues
>
>
> A local AHJ has called me to inquire about the requirement for protecting
> a major chain Auto Parts Store. The PE has stated OH2 throughout the store.
> AHJ is asking questions because there are 12' tall racks with a solid top
> making him think they will store over 12'.
>
> Questions,
>
> Are solid shelves allowed in racks aver 30" deep in this scenario without
> protection in the racks?
>
> Is OH@ appropriate for these "typical" Auto Parts Stores with the storage
> as it is?
>
> Thanks for your help if you have time, if not please ignore and have a
> great day!
>
>
>
>
> --
> Greg McGahan
> Living Water Fire Protection, LLC <http://www.livingwaterfp.com>
> 1160 McKenzie Road
> Cantonment, FL 32533
> 850-937-1850
> fax 850-937-1852
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