Agree - I never seen one pointed up.

John

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Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 5:00 PM
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Subject: Re: Column Protection

Where does it say the sidewall is pointed up?  I have only seen these 
installed in the horizontal position for this application.

Any steel columns shall be protected by 1-hour fireproofing or a 
sidewall sprinkler directed to one side of the column at the top or at 
the 15 ft (4.6 m) level, whichever is lower. Flow from these sprinklers 
shall be permitted to be omitted from the sprinkler system demand for 
hydraulic calculations.


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On 7/6/2015 1:57 PM, Kenneth Berman wrote:
> You're all missing an important point, the horizontal sidewall is pointed
> upwards. A vertical sidewall, upwards, is incorrect. The horizontal
> sidewall cools the column from fifteen feet upwards, and the water returned
> by gravity cools the column below fifteen feet.
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Parsley Consulting <
> [email protected]> wrote:
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>> Rocci,
>>      I'd echo Travis and Mark's comments. When all else fails, point to
>> 12.12.2.2.4.1, 16.1.4.1, 17.1.4.1, or 18.2.1 (whichever is appropriate) and
>> ask him, politely of course, how he's reaching the conclusion that the
>> sidewall sprinkler must be vertical.
>>      In short, ask him to "prove it."
>> *Ken Wagoner, SET
>> *Parsley Consulting***
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>>
>> On 07/06/2015 11:20 AM, Rocci Cetani 3 wrote:
>>
>>> I have a FM questioning the use of horizontal sidewall sprinklers (he
>>> thinks
>>> it should be a vertical sidewall) with no heat collectors @ 15' AFF...NFPA
>>> 13 2013   17.1.4.1  only states a sidewall sprinkler pointed in the
>>> direction of the column @ 15' AFF.  Any suggestions?
>>>
>>>
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