I don't know Ron. The closest I have come to that is the foam pop-up nozzles for protecting the B2 Stealths at Whitman AFB a couple hours drive from where I grew up. It was pretty harry but the normal stuff surrounding it all was fairly standard. On Aug 8, 2016 8:14 PM, "rongreenman ." <[email protected]> wrote:
> How about the spray booth for a 747 Brad? Or a B-52? > > On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Brad Casterline <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Show me a spray booth with forty sprinklers Steve >> On Aug 8, 2016 7:36 PM, "Steve Leyton" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Sure. And fires that can be spread by running fuel such as plastics and >>> FCL’s (not to mention BLEVE’s) can set off 40 standard response sprinklers >>> in a minute. I can only imagine the sheer volume of responding sprinklers >>> and skipping that could occur based on how smooth or bumpy the roof/ceiling >>> assembly is if you started wantonly plugging QR control-mode sprinklers >>> into EH fires. (On paper) MDD = .80 ADD = .275 >>> >>> >>> >>> My opinion only, >>> >>> Steve L. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-bounces >>> @lists.firesprinkler.org] *On Behalf Of *Brad Casterline >>> *Sent:* Monday, August 08, 2016 5:17 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: Paint spray application >>> >>> >>> >>> Shakey ground is all i have ever known Ken. >>> I am no more a professional than you are. >>> THINK MAN! >>> small spaces with fast fires need the fastest acting sprinklers we can >>> muster. >>> I've been in court myself a couple times- neither one over sprinklers >>> though-- >>> please stop being so stodgy! >>> >>> On Aug 8, 2016 7:05 PM, "Parsley Consulting" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I don't know, Brad. You're standing on pretty shaky ground there. >>> >>> The decision to use QR sprinklers in an extra hazard occpuancy is a >>> direct contradiction to 8.4.1.1.2 of NFPA 13, including the 2016 edition, >>> or a similar section number, at least as far back as the 1999 edition. If >>> you install QR sprinklers in a space that is legitimately classed as an >>> extra hazard occupancy, aren't you directly contradicting this particular >>> section of NFPA 13? The handbook provides the following explanatory text >>> on the topic: >>> >>> Extra hazard occupancies are characterized by the probability of >>> fast-developing fires with high heat release rates that have the potential >>> to open a large number of quick-response sprinklers before the sprinklers >>> have time to control the fire. The operation of a large number of >>> sprinklers in a relatively short time period has the potential to overtax >>> the system. For this reason, quick-response sprinklers using the area >>> design method of Chapter 11 are not permitted for the protection of >>> extra hazard occupancies. Additional perspective on this can be found in >>> the discussion of safety margin found in B.2.1. >>> >>> Further, I'm not aware of any QR sprinkler which has been tested and >>> listed by an NRTL for use in protecting extra hazard occupancies. Barring >>> that, to follow the guidance you're suggesting the >>> contractor/designer/installer has to violate both NFPA 13 AND the listing >>> of the sprinkler. I'm not suggesting the gloom and doom drama of "people >>> could die", however it does concern me greatly when I read suggestions to >>> ignore both texts. >>> >>> My thought about that is to make sure your insurance is paid up, and >>> have a good lawyer on retainer. I don't know of a good defense while >>> sitting in the witness chair to a question similar to, "Are you telling me >>> you ignored the applicable law and the manufacturer's recommendations for >>> the installation of that sprinkler?" >>> >>> When I have nightmares I think about having to answer questions similar >>> to that. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *Ken Wagoner, SET Parsley Consulting 350 West 9th Avenue, Suite 206 >>> Escondido, California 92025 Phone 760-745-6181 <760-745-6181> Visit our >>> website <http://www.parsleyconsulting.com/> * >>> >>> >>> On 08/08/2016 4:17 PM, Brad Casterline wrote: >>> >>> We're not suppose to use QR in EH either but I say balderdash. >>> That is for big open spaces beacase you could have a bunch of heads >>> going off way over there when the emergency is way over here. Small spaces >>> with fast fires are better off if you use low temp qr and calc every head >>> possible going off >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-f >>> iresprinkler.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-f >>> iresprinkler.org >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum- >> firesprinkler.org >> >> > > > -- > Ron Greenman > > 4110 Olson Dr., NW > Gig Harbor, WA 98335 > > [email protected] > > 253.576.9700 > > The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner > Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera > director (1942-) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler. > org > >
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