At 17:47 16-09-2000 -0700, Steve Lamb kindly wrote:
>On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 02:36:13AM +0200, Karin Spaink wrote:
>> 1. Why does my reply to Januk gets garbled in the Subject line and suddenly
>> gets "Re[2]: etc" instead of your standard "Re: etc"?
> TB! loves to count replies for some reason.
Ouch. I was hoping that it was a glitch in the mailing
list software, but since I read that the mailinglist
was run through TB I feared that it was a TB habit.
>You can turn that off in the
>templates. The exact macro eludes me at the moment. Again, on Linux, not
>Windows.
I'm not going to switich OS in order to find the perfect mail client ;-)
>> 2. How come that Ctrl-Z only works partially? What
I added (new CR's) can be
>> undone, but what I inadvertedly deleted cannot be brought back.
> That always annoyed me. Call it a bug.
If I am correct in my assessment, it's a bug.
>Of course, falls back to my whole
>"should use an external editor in the first place" kick.
Ah, seems I touched a nerve ;-)
>Already the editor
>is annoying you in several ways. If it were external you'd just continue
>running the editor you'd always run.
Currently, for mail, I use the inbuilt Eudora one. But
no, I wouldn't mind using Notepad as an editor, but I
sure as hell don't want to need to invoke it myself. My mail client should.
>> I severely dislike this feature. It is in itself a
reason to give up The Bat
>> (and explore other clients). But apart from my personal likes and dislikes,
>> I don't think that your argument holds. Yes, this is a nice feature when
>> you make a table; but how often do you make a table as compared to you
>> editing your message and moving up and down through it?
> See, another fine case for an external editor.
Don't use me for your own war, I'll refuse ;-)
I'd rather that somebody address the overkill issue.
>> I am growing more used to it, but I find all the extra keystrokes a hassle.
>> And it _is_ non-standard.
> Tell me, what /is/ standard in editors? :)
To not undo your CR and TAB? _That_ is what YTB is
currently doing. I get kicked back to the previous
line. I find that unacceptable.
> Exactly, there isn't a standard, at least not for the more advanced
>features of an editor.
For advanced eatures: granted. But I wouldn't call
allowing <CR> <TAB> advanced.
>> That is more than just a matter of taste: it's a national habit. And I am
>> not US or Canadian. To people I correspond with, it looks weird; and to my
>> peers -- I am a writer -- it looks awkward. A tab is the marker for a
>> paragraph, a blank line the marker for a new idea.
> On paper, yes. In electronic mail, no.
Says you. Besides, national habits and styles
notwithstanding, who is my mail client to tell me what
_my_ mails should look like?
>> Listen. I am demanding. I know that. And I am not trying to piss you off.
>> But I _am_ desperate for a mail client that has lots of features and can be
>> fine-tuned to a huge degree.
> BIG HINT TO AUTHORS AND EVERYONE ELSE HERE: Notice here he(?)
She. Pic at http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/images/write.html
>says he is
>looking for an email client which is tunable yet all
his complaints, thus far,
>have been with the /editor/?
Actually, this rephrasal fits me to a T. Thank you.
There are quite some reasons why I like TB. The
interface, threading, good filtering, nice
personalised templates (so WTF can't I personalise my
layout and my editor?), nice bonus thrown in (cookies
allowing for a rotating .sig) and the one thing that I
dislike is how I am forced to COMPOSE a mail.
>> The reasons? I get heaps of mail (so I need good filtering and
>> auto-replies), I type fast but with lots of errors (so they should be easy
>> to correct and my cursor should be easy to focus), I use my mail client 10
>> hours per day. I hate the bloatware that Eudora is becoming and I dislike
>> the road that they are taking. I have been using Eudora for 5 years.
>> Basically, I want all it had plus some bug-fixing and less new (stupid)
>> features.
> Let me ask you a simple question. If you could replace the editor with
>something else, go out to an external editor so you could choose the editor
>you wanted to use (personally, I'd use VIM but most people here don't want to
>deal with a VI clone with tons of added features) would you take that route
>and keep TB?
Yes. Notepad will do. I dont want fancy stuff. I just
want to be able to set my line length, my tabs, use
CR's at will, have Ctrl-Z and that is basically it. I
don't want another word porcessor. I have one. In my
mail I want a simple text editor, and I won't mind it
at all if I can use the plain text editors that I already have,
- K -
--
"When I make a word do a lot of work like that," said
Humpty Dumpty, "I always pay it extra.'"
- Lewis Carroll: Through the Looking-Glass
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