Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

[Jeff Powers]

Jeff in red: ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 0:53 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands     On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 22:45:54 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Judy, The point “It is finished” on the cross was that Jesus died to do away with Sin; which is the opposite of doing away with the Law, because sin is defined as “lawlessness”.  I John 3:4, Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and [Rom 4:15; 1 John 5:17] sin is lawlessness.   What do you consider “the Levitical Law”? If you are talking about Talmud, I agree—it is not scripture.  God’s laws are scripture and as such, as you have eloquently stated, will never be done away with.  Izzy   Judy responds:: I agree with the above Izzy - The Levitical Law has to do with the Levitical Priesthood and the animal sacrifices, feasts, and everything having to do with the earthly temple and it is explained in Hebrews 9 and 10. This and the Talmud are no longer relevant according to my understanding.  Judyt. So then, it is true that you DO NOT understand. Nor do you want to understand. One point here, God's Feasts, Gods holy days are not Levitical Laws they are for everyone who claims to be a child of God. Jews and Gentiles.  Did God ordain christmas or easter? NO! They are not Biblical holy days (holidays), they are manmade. Those are the holy days-doctrines of men God wants us to move away from.  I suggest that you get and study a book, Celebrate the Feasts, of the old testament in your own home or church, by Martha Zimmerman.  This book is by a Christian author and I think the back cover note will explain much,        "The great religious feasts as described in the Old Testament and Jewish tradition are full of spiritual truth presented in the New Testament...  The author carefully researched these festivals... She then prepaired the complete information necessary to recreate the symbolic representations of Christ as found in the holy celebrations of the Old Testament..."   Nothing has been done away with, but you fail to see that the writer of Hebrews is explaining that everything known to the reciepients of that letter is but a SHADOW of what is to come. So just who were the reciepients of the letter to the Hebrews?  Messianic Jews, who not only understood the author but didn't cornfuse it into something it is not.  If that is a shadow, then where is the real McCoy?  I think in our lifetime we will see the temple rebuilt. There can be no shadow without the real item existing to cast a shadow.   Judy you miss the point on a lot of truth here because you confuse Torah and Talmud, the doctrine of Messiah and the doctrines of men, your own misunderstandings and Biblical truth. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor I don't believe God's moral law has gone anywhere - It is the Levitical law that was nailed to the cross because it has been completed in Christ. We no longer need Levitical priests, we have a Great High Priest who sits on the right hand of God the Father in the heavenlies.  What point do you believe I have missed that has to do with the cross?  Judyt   On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 13:14:45 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Judy, If you think “It is finished!” referred to God’s law you have missed the whole point of the Cross. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor   Hi Izzy & all, Thank you for asking.  I'm not very often stuck for words but these 613 Commands along with reaction on TT to the death of Arafat have left me (momentarily) speechless.  To begin with I can't see any wisdom in resurrecting Levitical Law which was nailed to the cross when Jesus cried "It is finished!"  In Galatians Paul tells us that adding Jewish law to the finished work of Christ will cause one who began in the Spirit to "fall from grace" - so how did we get here??   As for the demise of Arafat .. the wisdom of God says "Because I have called, and ye refused. I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; but ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would have none of my reproof; I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; when your fear cometh as desolation and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.  Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me; for that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the Lord; they would have none of my counsel; they despised all my reproof. Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices..For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them..."   True, it's not God's will that any should perish but Arafat made his own bed, and he lived by his own rules. I certainly don't envy his end but agree with Izzy that the world is better off without him.  George W. may not meet the expectations of some but at least he was not deceived by that evil little man and refused to invite him to this country so long as he was involved with terrorism.  What a chaotic funeral that was .. and now the search for the billions he has siphoned and hidden.   Judyt       On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 07:26:07 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Judy, we haven’t heard from you since Monday.  I hope all is well. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor The late Pinchas Lapide once said: "The 'Old[er] Law' remains, the New[er] Testament does not bring any New Law but applies the old[er] in light of the fulfillment of all salvation history. Even in the Sermon on the Mount, Yeshua brings no new Law, but shows how in each situation, the Old[er] Law is to be fulfilled radically in view of the Kingdom of God which is immeasurably close." jt: The Kingdom of God is here.  Jesus introduced it .. remember? He said "But if I cast out demons by the finger of God then the kingdom of God has come upon you" (Luke 11:20). The Church is supposed to be doing the same works today and is in some quarters...