Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

[Judy Taylor]

From: Susan Petersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If the Levitical Priesthood is no longer relevant than why do we need Jesus as our High Priest? And if we are no longer supposed to do the feasts why are we going to be doing them in the Millenial Kingdom? Also, if we consider ourselves adopted sons and daughters of Christ why don't we have to follow the House rules?   Hi Susan and welcome to TT. Jesus our High Priest is after another order. He is after the order of Melchizidec which was before the Aaronic Levitical priesthood and is eternal.  Where in scripture do you get the term "House rules?" Are you culturaly Jewish also?   Following the Law is not a thing that we do to earn our salvation! We follow God's Law because we love him and want to obey him. John 14:15- If you love Me, you will obey my commandments.   jt: Yes but now on the other side of the cross we are as Paul who says in 1 Cor 9:21 "Being not without the law to God but under the law of Christ" - which we can go into later if you wish. Jesus quotes the Law all the time. Also, John 15: 9-11- Just as the Father has loved Me, I have also loved you ; abide in my love. If you keep my commandments, you will abide in My love;just as I have kept My Father's commands and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you so that My joy may be in you, and that your joy may be complete.   jt: And what are Jesus' Commandments?   Knowing and believing Moses and the Prophets is a must. Luke 16: 27-31: When the rich man asked to have someone  warn his brothers to believe, Jesus told him that they had Moses and the Prophets and that his brother should hear them. v. 31- But he said to him, "If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.   jt: Yes I'm familiar with that parable but now we have someone greater than Moses; we have the prophet promised in Deuteronomy 18:18,19 and it is His words we must hear..   John 5:46-47- For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?   jt: We need to understand this in balance and in context. Jesus was speaking to people born under the law (Mosaic Covenant); we have not been.  We have been born under a covenant of grace.   Matthew 5:17-20 tells exactly what Jesus came to do in reference to the Law. "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven."   jt: And all of this to the lost sheep of the house of Israel before the cross and before Pentecost when the power was sent from on high to enable to the Church to do the works of Jesus in this sad and fallen world.   I John 2:3-6 explains how we know that we have come to know Christ. "By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His Word, in Him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked. Suzy   jt: Again .. what exactly are His commandments? You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Leviticus 19:18) The whole law is fulfilled in one word in the statement you shall love your neighbor as yourself (Gal 5:14) However you want people to treat you, so treat them, this is the law and the prophets (Matt 7:12) A new commandment I give to you that you love one another as I have loved you (John 13:34) This is my commandment that you love one another (John 15:12) This I command you that you love one another (John 15:17) And love one another just as he commanded us (1 John 3:23b) You yourselves are taught by God to love one another (1 Thess 4:9)           Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 22:45:54 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Judy, The point It is finished on the cross was > that Jesus died to do > away with Sin; which is the opposite of doing away > with the Law, because > sin is defined as lawlessness.  I John 3:4, > Everyone who practices sin > also practices lawlessness; and [Rom 4:15; 1 John > 5:17] sin is > lawlessness. > > What do you consider the Levitical Law? If you are > talking about > Talmud, I agreeit is not scripture.  Gods laws are > scripture and as > such, as you have eloquently stated, will never be > done away with.  Izzy > > Judy responds:: I agree with the above Izzy - The > Levitical Law has to do > with the Levitical Priesthood and the animal > sacrifices, feasts, and > everything having to do with the earthly temple and > it is explained in > Hebrews 9 and 10. This and the Talmud are no longer > relevant according to > my understanding.  Judyt. > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf > Of Judy Taylor > > I don't believe God's moral law has gone anywhere - > It is the Levitical > law that was nailed to the cross because it has been > completed in Christ. > We no longer need Levitical priests, we have a Great > High Priest who sits > on the right hand of God the Father in the > heavenlies.  What point do you > believe I have missed that has to do with the cross? >  Judyt >  > On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 13:14:45 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Judy, If you think It is finished! referred to > Gods law you have > missed the whole point of the Cross. Izzy >  > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf > Of Judy Taylor >  > Hi Izzy & all, > Thank you for asking.  I'm not very often stuck for > words but these 613 > Commands along with reaction on TT to the > death of Arafat have left me (momentarily) > speechless.  To begin with I > can't see any wisdom in resurrecting Levitical Law > which was nailed to > the cross when Jesus cried "It is finished!"  In > Galatians Paul tells us > that adding Jewish law to the finished work of > Christ will cause one who > began in the Spirit to "fall from grace" - so how > did we get here?? >  > As for the demise of Arafat .. the wisdom of God > says "Because I have > called, and ye refused. I have stretched out my > hand, and no man > regarded; but ye have set at nought all my counsel, > and would have none > of my reproof; I also will laugh at your calamity; I > will mock when your > fear cometh; when your fear cometh as desolation and > your destruction > cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish > cometh upon you.  Then > shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they > shall seek me early, > but they shall not find me; for that they hated > knowledge, and did not > choose the fear of the Lord; they would have none of > my counsel; they > despised all my reproof. Therefore shall they eat of > the fruit of their > own way, and be filled with their own devices..For > the turning away of > the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of > fools shall destroy > them..." >  > True, it's not God's will that any should perish but > Arafat made his own > bed, and he lived by his own rules. I certainly > don't envy his end but > agree with Izzy that the world is better off without > him.  George W. may > not meet the expectations of some but at least he > was not deceived by > that evil little man and refused to invite him to > this country so long as > he was involved with terrorism.  What a chaotic > funeral that was .. and > now the search for the billions he has siphoned and > hidden. >  > Judyt >  >  >  > On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 07:26:07 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Judy, we havent heard from you since Monday.  I > hope all is well. Izzy >  > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf > Of Judy Taylor > > > > The late Pinchas Lapide once said: "The 'Old[er] > Law' remains, the > New[er] Testament does not bring any New Law but > applies the old[er] in > light of the fulfillment of all salvation history. > Even in the Sermon on > the Mount, Yeshua brings no new Law, but shows how > in each situation, the > Old[er] Law is to be fulfilled radically in view of > the Kingdom of God > which is immeasurably close." > > > > jt: The Kingdom of God is here.  Jesus introduced it > .. remember? He said > "But if I cast out demons by the finger of God then > the kingdom of God > has come upon you" (Luke 11:20). The Church is > supposed to be doing the > same > works today and is in some quarters... >  >  >                         __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! 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