I agree with your description when applied to the details, Alain.
However, the system is influenced by certain people based on their
self interest and wisdom, or lack thereof. We see this situation play
out throughout histoery. Some people use their power to improve while
others use it to destroy. The rest of us are simply bystanders and
collateral damage. Either we do nothing and get slaughtered or we move
out of the way. The choice is based on knowledge. For example, some
people left Germany when Hitler came to power and others stayed and
died in the gas chambers. Their personal choice determined their fate.
This choice was based on what they thought Hitler would do. Everyone
has that same choice today when they react to events. Yes, there may
be no vision in the system itself, but personal fate still can be
influenced by a choice based on knowledge. If enough people make the
proper choice, the fate of everyone can change. Right now poor
choices are being made by most people in the West.
On Sep 23, 2013, at 1:53 PM, Alain Sepeda wrote:
my sad vision is there is no vision...
some people think they are right, using bad heuristics.
some follow them by selfish interest to get chocolate medal or to
earn their life
some follow just because they feel right when they follow
some get convinced because they have no culture
some shut up because they are coward, or have to protect their family
some see but nobody hear them
media feel guilty of being pretended wrong and over react to the
opposite, to save their image
population follow the media to be cool
politician follow the population to be elected
scientists follow the money thus the politicians
politicians follow the scientists
media follos the scientists
population follow the media...
system is locked, and the dissenters are fired.
The roland Benabou Groupthink model of mutual assured delusion,
based on the idea that if being right give you no benefit, and cause
trouble, then you prefer to be delusioned... describe the MAD
situation.
the best intelligence is few people aware of material science which
simply know they have to be modest, and follow the evidence...
no strategy intelligence in the system above the one of an ant in a
colony. no plan...
at worst vicious hate of those one feel as the evil, the foes
accused of fighting against The True Truth... Defending the
consensus like one defend a Mother Goddess, or simply Mum.
No conspiracy, but huge ego motivation.
all of that is tiny. From what I see , it is a tiny story. like a
kindergarten fight.
It is a serious affair for kids anyway. they bet their soul in those
battle... like some want to clear wikipedia, the holy territory, or
science from pseudoscience.
with planet consequence.
2013/9/23 Edmund Storms <stor...@ix.netcom.com>
I agree Bob, the world is not managed in order to increase
everyone's benefit. Jed tends to be an optimist about the future
while I and apparently you as well are more of a realist. The world
is in a mess. The West has created an unstable and unsustainable
economic structure and many parts of the world are being threatened
by religious insanity. Add something so unexpected, uncontrolled,
and threatening to the production of oil, coal, and uranium as is
LENR, we can expect the worst possible outcome. For example,
although the US is self-sufficient in energy, the cost is
controlled by the world market. If the cost goes down, the profit
goes down and the loans supporting the infrastructure cannot be
paid, resulting in massive default. The system is already saturated
with such bad debt.
Meanwhile, China is limited by how fast she can build energy
generators and by availability of water. If she can out produce us
now, just think what she can do with unlimited energy. In the
future, she will be selling to her own people for prices we can not
afford, resulting in shortages and a lower standard of living in the
West. I raise these issues because unless the West finds an
intelligent way to respond to this situation, we in the West will be
in bad shape. Unless the real threat is acknowledge, no effort will
be made to find a solution until it is too late, as is typical of
how the West reacts. Simply pretending all will work out is not a
solution.
Ed
On Sep 23, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Rob Dingemans wrote:
Dear Jed,
On 23-9-2013 20:13, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Furthermore, decreasing the cost of energy is likely to improve
first world economies sooner than it improves third world countries
or China, since we have more high tech, we have more ways to grow
the economy, and we import more energy per capita than they do.
Lower energy costs would be a tremendous boon to Japan, because they
are closing down all of the nuclear power plants.
You would be right if the focus of the ones in charge were to be on
lowering energy cost and gaining a higher standard of living for ALL
people.
However I strongly doubt if that is what their real intention is.
I tend to agree with Alain and Edmund's (probably also Peter
Gluck's) perception of how the world is "managed".
Kind regards,
Rob
