Hello Beverley, Bill and all Sorry I couldn't reply sooner but I've been sick with the flu of late. Dualism. I think Bill had done an excellent job of explaining it. Before I add more from my side on top of what had already been stated recently and in the past, let me just say that I don't pay heed to... - all the super/wonder words used in Buddhism such as nyorai, shoshin, tatagatha, mantra, arhant....and so many other bulls*it terms that nonBuddhists are often strangely attracted to - ceremonies/rituals, ettiquette, cultural practices..and other Confucian-like items that make me head for the hills, and never to come back Despite being of Asian background myself(I'm of Filipino blood), I grew up in Australia from a young age and therefore a Westerner. With this in mind, I can only speak of English terms in our language Dualism, or dualistic. All the things I've described above are dualistic, because I identified certain aspects, or issues..and my thoughts/feelings about such. In fact, my making a long-winded approach here in explaining DUALISM is dualistic itself Here's an example of non-dualism. One could be sitting in the middle of the night by the window and watching the moon..without having to point the finger to it and say,"Oh, that's the moon". Do you ever go for a burger at MCDONALDS? Do you notice how they repeat your orders over the loud-speaker as soon as you've said it? Compare this with how you cook at home, because I doubt that you would say the following things to yourself as you do them..... - Now, I'm breaking the eggs into the pan - Here's the bacon, and I'm taking the rind off - I will now toast the bread and cook the sausages On a normal morning, I personally can't imagine most people under most situations repeating the activities to themselves as they cook their breakfast. You just do them with a clear head, especially when you're in a hurry This and that, you and me, here and there...these are dualistic notions and which are best explained through experience with zazen. In zazen, one's eyes are half-closed with back straight, and sitting on a chair...and then you just breath. Your eyes may be half-closed in this silent environment but you're in this world of emptiness. There is this absolute nothing before your 'open eyes', but you can see everything Beverley, something tells me that you're going to have some difficulty understanding this posting here. If you're really curious about zen, then please take up zazen and somehow get a copy of the book ZEN MIND BEGINNER'S MIND. The book is still in print and seems to be well-known and quite popular with much of the greater, outer zen community out there. The book will also explain to you how to do zazen exactly, as directed by a Soto monk Forget koans, and keep away from this thing they call Rinzai. Soto Zen is much simpler to follow by as a guide. ZEN MIND BEGINNER'S MIND will explain all you need for the basic essentials Imagine your mind/heart as a rainforest untouched by man. A pristine, untouched, and unpolluted rainforest(and all sorts of other wilderness out there) functions well all on its own. Whatever happens to it is dictated by nature..which some refer to as Buddha, or Tao. Compare this with your mind/heart, and what you get is what zen people refer to as BigMind. All of the BigMind functions by itself. The jaguar will hunt down and eat the capybara, while the stingless bee collect their raw materials from flowers and pollinate plants at the same time, and the howler monkey will howl as the name says. The fish, alligators and other water-creatures thrive very well without the presence of man-made pollution Compare the above with the mind/heart and what you get is a very clear BigMind, and therefore no dualism. There is no obsessive identification of this and that, here and there, and so on....the path is just clear before you. Bacons, eggs, and sausages...they're all before you. You know what to do with them without saying a word, and nothing is in your way. That, is an example of non-dualism Buddha be praised Mel
--- On Sat, 28/5/11, Bill! <[email protected]> wrote: From: Bill! <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] Newbie - hello & question To: [email protected] Received: Saturday, 28 May, 2011, 7:36 PM Beverley, I'll be anxious to read Mel's reply on 'dualism', but since it's an important part of my understanding of zen I'd like to offer a response also. Dualisms are pairs (sets, actually) of concepts that are co-dependent. The best example is the dualistic pair 'good/bad'. In order to have a concept of 'good' you have to also have a concept of 'bad'. Labeling something as 'good' just doesn't make any sense if there is not such a thing as 'bad'. All concepts are dualistic, even if it just a dualism based on existence/non-existence. An example of this would be the dualistic concept set of 'self/no-self', or as I usually describe it 'self/other'. The dualistic concept of 'self/other' is very important to zen because in order to realize Buddha Nature you must abandon your concept (illusion) of 'self'. When you do this you then also automatically loose the paired concept of 'other'. There is no longer any 'self' that is seperated from 'other' (everything else). All is One. All is all. Just THIS! You will hear a lot about another very important dualistic set in all forms of Buddhism and Eastern religions in general, and that's the fundamental dualistic set of 'subject/object'. A subject views an object. An object is viewed by a subject. Meditation techniques that employ focusing awareness on something like a mantra or a visualization are 'objective'. The focus of awareness is on the object. Meditation techniques that employ turning the focus of your awareness back on yourself like 'who is it that is chanting?', or 'who is it that is visualizing' are 'subjective'. The focus of awareness is on the subject. Differenet Zen Buddhist teaching techniques use both subjective and objective meditation. Chanting, bowing, and even koan study usually starts with objective meditation and then slides into subjective mediation. But it is not until both subject and object are dropped that Buddha Nature can be realized. True zen meditation - pure zazen (shikantaza - 'clear mind') is neither objective nor subjective. There is only pure awareness with no sense of a subject being aware nor a sense of an object of awareness. Again, Just THIS! Some of the above are from teachings I have received both from individuals and reading, but all have been verified my own experience. And since I assume empty0grace is apparently no longer reading these posts since she previously posted she was unsubscribing from our forum I no longer feel obligated to say 'this is all only my opinion'; but that sentiment be the way you apporach all posts here, everywhere on the internet, all teachings from books, teachers and even Buddha himself. It's your life and you are the only one who is ultimately responsbile for it. Caveat Emptor! ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Beverley Huish <beverley.huish@...> wrote: > > Hi Mel, > > I identify with your neighbour. Luckily, as my children get older, I feel > able give them (and me) more space. I used to force myself to give them > space, > but it really cost me (in worry and stuff like that). > > Can you define 'dualistic' please. It's a word I keep coming across that > doesn't really mean much to me. I understand you're dealing with an example > of > it here, but I'm still not grasping it. > > :-) > > Beverley. > >  > > > > ________________________________ > From: Mel <gunnar19632000@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, 28 May, 2011 4:41:12 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Newbie - hello & question > >  > Deshimaru-sensei spoke of this once. I'll use the example of my next-door > neighbor. The man's life revolves very much around his daughter. Truly a > father's love for one of his young, but one that could be of terrible > consequence should something happen to her. As I observed father and daugher > over the years, I asked myself.... > > - How will he cope with it if something does happen to her? > - Will he be able to keep a cool head(and heart) if she puts herself in > danger? > > In the military 30 years ago, I was taught in first-aid so well that all my > reactions basically became automatic irrespective of which victim. I know > within > me to this day that I'm not going to wail like a banshee should any of my > family > and other loved ones gets into a crisis. Keeping a cool head in good, and bad > times, is very much in the realm of zen....and that father's love as I had > described above is as dualistic as one gets in this instance > > I'll use another example here. Parents/couples from the Indian sub-continent > have a known reputation (at least here DownUnder) for treating their little > children almost like demi-gods. Very..very...wrong-headed. Those of us who I > can > best describe as normal, functioning human beings can never stop caring about > our loved ones...but I'm not sure much of the world's highly > emotionally-inclined cultures(eg. Near East, Indian sub-continent, Latin > America, Mediterranean region, etc) can understand that about zen's teaching > about keeping a cool head at all times > > For those interested, do check out GENESIS 37:1-36 of the bible. It's a prime > example of truly, wrong-headed attachment(plus favouritism) by a man called > Jacob for his son Joseph, at the expense of the rest his other sons....plus > the > consequences... > > Buddha be praised > Mel > > --- On Fri, 27/5/11, Beverley Huish <beverley.huish@...> wrote: > > How about attachments to family members and friends (rather than thoughts). > Obviously, family members, at core, aren't who they appear to be: how does > Zen > approach fondness for the illusory personalities of people we care about? >  > Beverley. > >  >
