[videoblogging] Re: Can someone identify this software?
Forget the weather aspect. He's mostly just showing jpg's or other images off the web. Usually, on-screen video (like his webcam) is shown as an overlay element and won't be captured by a screen cap program. I think this is some sort of integrated solution made for videoconferencing or webinars. But, again, I really don't know.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Can someone identify this software?
A quick 2 second Google for accuweather videos using brought up an Accuweather press release, which says they use a company called ICTV, who provide a complete package including a video composer called ActiveVision Composer and another thing called HeadendWare. Accuweather press release: http://www.accuweather.com/iwxpage/adc/pressroom/prs/ps/ps_77.htm ICTV website links: http://www.ictv.com/technology/avdn_components.htm#composer http://www.ictv.com/news/press_05032006_accuweather.htm Looks cool. May not be the tool itself - haven't read any of it in full, but figured this might be your answer. If not, why don't you email the guy at his Blog, flatter him on his cool technology and ask him directly? Wish I'd done this with DivX last week instead of spending hours searching. Rupert On 26 Feb 2007, at 09:12, geofffox wrote: Forget the weather aspect. He's mostly just showing jpg's or other images off the web. Usually, on-screen video (like his webcam) is shown as an overlay element and won't be captured by a screen cap program. I think this is some sort of integrated solution made for videoconferencing or webinars. But, again, I really don't know. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Beach Walks One Year and 365 Episodes
Ian's still around on Myspace. I guess he got a little burned out on videoblogging. I can't think why. But he's still into making movies and posts them on Myspace. www.myspace.com/slimnail On 25 Feb 2007, at 10:17, Irina wrote: yes i agree with kent, we only have about 125 episodes, i think that's amazing! On 2/24/07, Roxanne Darling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kent - I'm sure your well is plenty deep - after all, plain old life is such a source! Thanks Randy! I had discovered Ian several months ago, then lost track. Looks like the original site is gone but I found the the feed (and great show notes!) on mefeedia: http://www.mefeedia.com/feeds/277/ Back to sleeping, Rox On 2/24/07, RANDY MANN [EMAIL PROTECTED]themaddmann% 40gmail.com wrote: ever check out the 05 project. eian did that a while ago what ever happend to him?? On 2/24/07, Kent Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED]digitalfilmmaker%40gmail.com wrote: OMG 365 shows is huge. I don't think our well is that deep. Congrats! -K, askaninja.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Roxanne Darling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to you all. Yes, I am pretty sure I have another 400 in me, and yes Jan it feels very good! I did my first ever beach walk vlog in May 2005 after meeting (and being inspired by) Eric Rice. It was a bit of a slow start to find my groove but I'm so happy I finally did! I'd love to connect with the rest of you 365'ers out there. So drop me an email if you like and I'll put us in touch with each other. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Happy weekending folks! love, rox On 2/24/07, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Extraordinary. Really. Well done. Congrats. I'm coming up on my 2-year anniversary next month. Feels darned good, eh? XOXOX, Jan On 2/24/07, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congrats, Rox SC. :D That IS a MAJOR accomplishment... in video production as well as just determination and dedication to something. Looking forward to the next 400 beachwalks! hahaha :) -- Bill C. http://ReelSolid.TV --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Roxanne Darling okekai@ wrote: Dear Fellow Videobloggers, I just posted our 365th show in as many days. I wanted to share the accomplishment...and this group, each of you, deserves some of the credit for inspiring me, challenging me, and teaching me along the way. I might be in a state of extreme fatigue (popular word recently) or have simply gone on autopilot, but I love this stuff and plan to continue. If you find yourself over at our site, show #364 is one of my faves, featuring a new band here in Hawai'i made of three talented wahine (women.) I don't comment on the list much, but I do want you each to know I appreciate the energy I get from the group - made up of all of you's - very much! And of course you have a standing invitation to join me on Beach Walks if you make it over to the islands. :-) Aloha, Rox -- Roxanne Darling o ke kai means of the sea in hawaiian 808-384-5554 http://www.beachwalks.tv http://www.barefeetshop.com http://www.barefeetstudios.com http://www.inthetransition.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Roxanne Darling o ke kai means of the sea in hawaiian 808-384-5554 http://www.beachwalks.tv http://www.barefeetshop.com http://www.barefeetstudios.com http://www.inthetransition.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Roxanne Darling o ke kai means of the sea in hawaiian 808-384-5554 http://www.beachwalks.tv http://www.barefeetshop.com http://www.barefeetstudios.com http://www.inthetransition.com -- http://geekentertainment.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Can someone identify this software?
geofffox wrote: I am trying to find what software is used to produce the video on this page. It's quite a tool and I've never seen it before. http://wwwa. accuweather. com/news- blogs.asp? blog=meteomadnes sdate=2007- 02-26_0242 http://wwwa.accuweather.com/news-blogs.asp?blog=meteomadnessdate=2007-02-26_0242 Thanks for your help. easy to do with mac quartz composer there is an example available that has news desk type overlays can merge webcam with vids all shows up very nicely like tv news could easily tweak for weather traveling now and can't look up specific ref's but have it all set up at home as i was playing with this. can give you specific example files when i get home and can post those, but if you have a mac tiger, this is all built in. markus -- Markus Sandy http://feeds.feedburner.com/apperceptions http://feeds.feedburner.com/digitaldojo http://feeds.feedburner.com/havemoneywillvlog http://feeds.feedburner.com/spinflow [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Animation Craaash Course a success!
hi all, just wanted to share some fun news about our first animation 'craaash course'. This past weekend Verena and I (from MNN Youth Channel) facilitated a 1.5 hour stop-motion workshop for about 50, or so kids (and adults) at the NYC Grassroots Media Conference. this was an exciting stage for the DIY ANIMATION WORKSHOP project... because i can begin to foresee how this one-day workshop format could be expanded into a touring screening/workshop series. i have begun to write about some of these ideas here: http://animationworkshop.pbwiki.com CHECK OUT THE SHORT ANIMATION WE MADE ON SATURDAY! http://animationworkshop.blogspot.com everything except adding the music and editing the two separate pieces (one from each group) together was done during the 1.5 hour!! we even managed to start off by watching some other pieces and sharing some free resources - like this one: http://www.framethief.com one cool 'vlogger note'... we were animating with two set-ups (camera+firewire+laptop). the projector in the room was hooked up to a g5 mac. and there was no wireless! there was like 5 minutes left in the workshop and my group had just finished adding sounds to their short piece. we wanted to show it back... but how? i had no adapter for my latop, so i set the file to compress, pulled the ethernet from the g5, put it in my laptop, uploaded to blip, crossposted, and boom. i put the ethernet back in the desktop, refreshed the vlog page - and voila, it was online - in literally 2 minutes. it was an awesome demonstration of both collective creativity and vlogging power combined. ANDREW L. -- http://www.breathingplanet.net -- andrew lynn | fon: 518-573-7947 | aim: destroyallandrew
[videoblogging] which model should you buy ?
I just need a camcorder to record myself for about 10 -15 minutes, the most 30 minutes and then post to youtube. my budget is quite low :-) what model of camcorder should i buy ?
Re: [videoblogging] Animation Craaash Course a success!
That is great. It is really cool that that was done in 1.5 hours. I love to see collaboration like this, it is inspiring. -Lan www.LanBui.com On Feb 26, 2007, at 5:44 AM, andrew L. wrote: hi all, just wanted to share some fun news about our first animation 'craaash course'. This past weekend Verena and I (from MNN Youth Channel) facilitated a 1.5 hour stop-motion workshop for about 50, or so kids (and adults) at the NYC Grassroots Media Conference. this was an exciting stage for the DIY ANIMATION WORKSHOP project... because i can begin to foresee how this one-day workshop format could be expanded into a touring screening/workshop series. i have begun to write about some of these ideas here: http://animationworkshop.pbwiki.com CHECK OUT THE SHORT ANIMATION WE MADE ON SATURDAY! http://animationworkshop.blogspot.com everything except adding the music and editing the two separate pieces (one from each group) together was done during the 1.5 hour!! we even managed to start off by watching some other pieces and sharing some free resources - like this one: http://www.framethief.com one cool 'vlogger note'... we were animating with two set-ups (camera+firewire+laptop). the projector in the room was hooked up to a g5 mac. and there was no wireless! there was like 5 minutes left in the workshop and my group had just finished adding sounds to their short piece. we wanted to show it back... but how? i had no adapter for my latop, so i set the file to compress, pulled the ethernet from the g5, put it in my laptop, uploaded to blip, crossposted, and boom. i put the ethernet back in the desktop, refreshed the vlog page - and voila, it was online - in literally 2 minutes. it was an awesome demonstration of both collective creativity and vlogging power combined. ANDREW L. -- http://www.breathingplanet.net -- andrew lynn | fon: 518-573-7947 | aim: destroyallandrew
[videoblogging] Re: NYC Videoblogger Meetup, Feb 25 2007
Jay, Great idea! :D That was the most well-attended NYC Videoblogger meetup I've been to so far, barring maybe the first one I went to a few months ago. I didn't realize so many people were going to show up, so I never got to finish answering your question. I'll email you on that. It was a pleasure meeting Jay, Ryanne, Obreahny, Grace, Markus, Flux and several others as well as hanging out with the usual suspects. :D Pics from the meetup: Grace, Charles, Flux, Randolfe, Obreahny, Markus, +2 http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/403458533/ Bill C., Obreahny http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/403458537/ -- Bill C. http://ReelSolid.TV --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're having a casual Videoblogging meetup at the Art Bar on Sunday night at 7pm. http://www.yelp.com/biz/42eG3oJ2tv9Vv-32QP51Lg All are welcome! I know its the Oscars..and I believe they'll have it on the TV in the front room in case you cant miss the action. This is your opportunity to meet other crazy people with cameras. jay 917 371 6790 -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com
[videoblogging] Photos and Links: Beyond Broadcast 2007
Hello, Here's a Flickr Query that will show you photos from Beyond Broadcast 2007 (by various folks, sorted by interestingness): http://flickr.com/search/? q=beyondbroadcastd=posted-20070223-20070226s=int It was quite an interesting day. Various people's notes and comments on conference as per del.icio.us tags are easy to find via: http://del.icio.us/tag/beyondbroadcast Cheers, David. David Tames, Filmmaker Media Technologist http://kino-eye.com | 617.216.1096
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlogging about Vlogging - Vlogging about Life
Okay - if off Yahoo is what you desire - what are the feat you want? Ability to email each other on a mailing list? Community/moblogging? Threaded comments? Personal diaries? Forums with threads? What are the features you desire? What is the problem you want to solve? I think of what blip.tv offers and what blubrry.com offers. What do you specifically want? --- Sanford Dickert Rawlings Atlantic Inc (954) 323 4450 Sent from my treo 650 -Original Message- From: Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlogging about Vlogging - Vlogging about Life Date: Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:03 pm Size: 2K To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com What are the Yahoo groups core values and how do we transmit them to the newbies and other folks stepping up to the camcorder? While I love this group and find the information to be totally priceless, I find this juxtaposition that Steve puts up here to be quite interesting. We're doing all of our serious business at the Wal-Mart of the net, a Yahoo Group. It's pretty ironic, really. All the reliance that we have on the Open Source Community, all the talk of grassroots and content creator control, and here we are spending hours and hours on a Yahoo List. Talk about flushing stuff down the memory hole. These lists were not meant to be communities. They are dysfunctional on their face, and are really only suitable for announcements and such. What this Yahoo Group needs is a Scoop site. This Yahoo group should build the dailyKos of Videoblogging. That's what we need to do, and that's how we're going to be able to compete with all of the MyHeavy's that are going to be coming at us. We need a megaphone, and all we got here is a mailing list; we can't even embed images! Anyway, I'd be happy to pitch in wholeheartedly, although I don't have the DB/MYSQL knowledge to get Scoop configured, I'm sure I could help dial her in. I don't think any of the other CMS setups are as community organized as scoop, and don't think they would be as effective as scoop for a couple thousand users. Check out: http://boomantribune.com http://dailykos.com If you haven't seen a scoop site. Anyway, just shooting my mouth off again, but I think the disconnect I felt at Steve's quoted comment is something that we must deal with if we are to mold any sort of values for newbies and the public in general. I think the way to do that is to get our attention off this list and on building something. Cheers, Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv On Feb 25, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Steve Garfield wrote: At the public access station where I taught video blogging for a number of sessions, they've done away with the stand alone video blogging class and now have an 'Adding Multimedia to Your Web Page' class because people want to know how to put pictures, audio and video on the web to share... http://www.cctvcambridge.org/?q=node/94#html On Feb 25, 2007, at 2:08 PM, Gena wrote: There are other folks teaching vlogging such as Videomaker magazine who calls it Vodcasting They started a series of articles, have some training videos and they are putting they thoughts and interpretations on how to do it for their readers. Different views, different agendas. --- message truncated ---
[videoblogging] Re:Concerned about Videoronk? Do you speak Spanish?
Hola Charles, Yo hablo espanol, pero mui mal. Yo puedo tratar si quieres. :) (hey charles, i speak spanish, but very badly. i can try if you want) peace b - Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] I shoved a camera in Jonny Goldstein's face at Beyond Broadcast ...question about audio quality
Hi all, I had the pleasure to meet Jonny Goldstein at Beyond Broadcast and shove a camera in his face and interview him -- ... I'm still working on the video ... http://beth.typepad.com/beths_blog/2007/02/oh_yeah_and_i_s.html I'm still thinking about the comment someone made in the Beyond YouTube Working Group about audio quality and how it makes them shudder that the user-generated content doesn't have good audio. What does that mean? Certainly not everyone can afford to purchase expensive professional level equipment to ensure broadcast quality audio. How can you get acceptable or decent sound quality but use inexpensive equipment? Jonny Goldstein left me a comment on that post that asks Acceptable to who? (http://beth.typepad.com/beths_blog/2007/02/oh_yeah_and_i_s.html#comments) But, it is a good goal to work towards improving one's production values. Here's my problem. I have a cannon SD800 with built-in mic. It's cheap and easy to use. It captures the video as mpeg on a card that I can easily get into my aging pc laptop with USB thingy and use the free windows editing software to edit. So far, I've learned that I have to get really close to the subject to get passable sound or I have to control the environment - take the subject to a quiet place. Thus, it makes hard to get an interview in a room with a lot of people chit chatting unless I put the camera right in their face and end up getting interesting footage of their nose hairs. Are there other creative workarounds? What are the cheap cameras that allow you to plug in an external mic and capture as mpeg on card? Beth
Re: [videoblogging] Re: NYC Videoblogger Meetup, Feb 25 2007
damn! if my family weren't in town -and the oscars wasn't bigger than christmas in my family, I TOTALLY would've been there! hope to see everyone soon, -brian taxiplasm.net On 2/26/07, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay, Great idea! :D That was the most well-attended NYC Videoblogger meetup I've been to so far, barring maybe the first one I went to a few months ago. I didn't realize so many people were going to show up, so I never got to finish answering your question. I'll email you on that. It was a pleasure meeting Jay, Ryanne, Obreahny, Grace, Markus, Flux and several others as well as hanging out with the usual suspects. :D Pics from the meetup: Grace, Charles, Flux, Randolfe, Obreahny, Markus, +2 http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/403458533/ Bill C., Obreahny http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/403458537/ -- Bill C. http://ReelSolid.TV --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're having a casual Videoblogging meetup at the Art Bar on Sunday night at 7pm. http://www.yelp.com/biz/42eG3oJ2tv9Vv-32QP51Lg All are welcome! I know its the Oscars..and I believe they'll have it on the TV in the front room in case you cant miss the action. This is your opportunity to meet other crazy people with cameras. jay 917 371 6790 -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com -- Brian Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] 210-683-6027 taxiplasm.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: I shoved a camera in Jonny Goldstein's face at Beyond Broadcast ...question
Good audio certainly seems important to the experience of consuming video, but I dont know if it needs to be 'broadcast quality'. Apart from th external mic options which I know little of, fixing in post-production or using a totally seperate device to record the audio are options, the latter especially making sense in the 'subject is far away from camera' scenario. In this area we can copy the best practice that I assume podcasters have been discussing for a few years. The probelms are that re-syncing audio to video can be a right chore, and mixing other post-processing of audio can only do so much to make up for bad recordings, and requires a fair amount of knowledge to do properly. Id like to think the tools and hardware will get better in future, but I dont see all that much room for improvement. Individuals may bring their knowledge up to the required level from experience, but its hard to see this stuff becoming a simple one-button operation any time soon, so hard to shield newbies from these issues. Ive sometimes hoped that in the future there would be lots of people online who have skills equipment that previously only very few had access to, and we could see a new era of post-production services provided online at mass consumer prices. So someone else could take care of these things for you. But this doesnt necessarily translate well to things like audio because the golden rule seems to be to get the audio captured right in the first place, maybe nothing can make post-processing significantly better or easier. Its a shame radio mic's arent all they're cracked up to be. Whilst its certainly possible to get a wireless mic working nicely, if you dont have too much control over the environment you are filming in, it can be a nightmare. I wonder if people are universally more susceptible to bad audio than differences in video quality - eg the video framerate issue I sometimes mention, that clearly doesnt bother many people or we'd here more about it, yet does make a very real difference to what the brains of the viewers are getting. The only audio I know I cannot stand is when you cannot quite hear the person talking, without straining. Wind or people in the audience coughing are 2 causes that spring to mind. Oh no Im having flashbacks to when someone asked me if they could fix their wedding video, and when I got it just about the entire ceremony was obliterated by strong wind noise into mic. It was possible to remove that noise but there still wasnt much talking left underneath. I guess lighting is the video equivalent of these audio issues? Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Beth Kanter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I had the pleasure to meet Jonny Goldstein at Beyond Broadcast and shove a camera in his face and interview him -- ... I'm still working on the video ... http://beth.typepad.com/beths_blog/2007/02/oh_yeah_and_i_s.html I'm still thinking about the comment someone made in the Beyond YouTube Working Group about audio quality and how it makes them shudder that the user-generated content doesn't have good audio. What does that mean? Certainly not everyone can afford to purchase expensive professional level equipment to ensure broadcast quality audio. How can you get acceptable or decent sound quality but use inexpensive equipment? Jonny Goldstein left me a comment on that post that asks Acceptable to who? (http://beth.typepad.com/beths_blog/2007/02/oh_yeah_and_i_s.html#comments) But, it is a good goal to work towards improving one's production values. Here's my problem. I have a cannon SD800 with built-in mic. It's cheap and easy to use. It captures the video as mpeg on a card that I can easily get into my aging pc laptop with USB thingy and use the free windows editing software to edit. So far, I've learned that I have to get really close to the subject to get passable sound or I have to control the environment - take the subject to a quiet place. Thus, it makes hard to get an interview in a room with a lot of people chit chatting unless I put the camera right in their face and end up getting interesting footage of their nose hairs. Are there other creative workarounds? What are the cheap cameras that allow you to plug in an external mic and capture as mpeg on card? Beth
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlogging about Vlogging - Vlogging about Life
Threaded comments would be nice. A decent search function would be as well. Community. Permanence. Activism. Organization. Education. Entertainment. Does any of that really happen on the list? And we can't even send embedded images, let alone embed video. I know that people have started wikis and other CMS apps, but these require a bit of knowledge and experience, or people have to learn something new. When I think of the hundreds of conversations that I would like to recall and/or research, hundreds of valuable threads and ideas, I have no idea where to begin with these groups. The feature set of scoop is what I think we need, and where I think we should move, especially if we are going have an impact and transfer this groups values to people. I love blip, but I'm just thinking of an independent place for videobloggers to congregate and share information. Something that we, not Yahoo, create and maintain. If we want an additional feature we install it. If we have a problem we resolve it. Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv On Feb 26, 2007, at 11:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay - if off Yahoo is what you desire - what are the feat you want? Ability to email each other on a mailing list? Community/moblogging? Threaded comments? Personal diaries? Forums with threads? What are the features you desire? What is the problem you want to solve? I think of what blip.tv offers and what blubrry.com offers. What do you specifically want? --- Sanford Dickert Rawlings Atlantic Inc (954) 323 4450 Sent from my treo 650 -Original Message- From: Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlogging about Vlogging - Vlogging about Life Date: Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:03 pm Size: 2K To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com What are the Yahoo groups core values and how do we transmit them to the newbies and other folks stepping up to the camcorder? While I love this group and find the information to be totally priceless, I find this juxtaposition that Steve puts up here to be quite interesting. We're doing all of our serious business at the Wal-Mart of the net, a Yahoo Group. It's pretty ironic, really. All the reliance that we have on the Open Source Community, all the talk of grassroots and content creator control, and here we are spending hours and hours on a Yahoo List. Talk about flushing stuff down the memory hole. These lists were not meant to be communities. They are dysfunctional on their face, and are really only suitable for announcements and such. What this Yahoo Group needs is a Scoop site. This Yahoo group should build the dailyKos of Videoblogging. That's what we need to do, and that's how we're going to be able to compete with all of the MyHeavy's that are going to be coming at us. We need a megaphone, and all we got here is a mailing list; we can't even embed images! Anyway, I'd be happy to pitch in wholeheartedly, although I don't have the DB/MYSQL knowledge to get Scoop configured, I'm sure I could help dial her in. I don't think any of the other CMS setups are as community organized as scoop, and don't think they would be as effective as scoop for a couple thousand users. Check out: http://boomantribune.com http://dailykos.com If you haven't seen a scoop site. Anyway, just shooting my mouth off again, but I think the disconnect I felt at Steve's quoted comment is something that we must deal with if we are to mold any sort of values for newbies and the public in general. I think the way to do that is to get our attention off this list and on building something. Cheers, Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv On Feb 25, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Steve Garfield wrote: At the public access station where I taught video blogging for a number of sessions, they've done away with the stand alone video blogging class and now have an 'Adding Multimedia to Your Web Page' class because people want to know how to put pictures, audio and video on the web to share... http://www.cctvcambridge.org/?q=node/94#html On Feb 25, 2007, at 2:08 PM, Gena wrote: There are other folks teaching vlogging such as Videomaker magazine who calls it Vodcasting They started a series of articles, have some training videos and they are putting they thoughts and interpretations on how to do it for their readers. Different views, different agendas. --- message truncated --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Vlogging about Vlogging - Vlogging about Life
Interesting stuff. The lists are meant to be communities, but they are certainly lacking various features. The web interface for yahoo has gotten a bit more forum-like over time, in that you can see topics b thread now, but yeah its hardly a totally emersive group experience and obviously lacks multimedia joys. I dont think forums or similar, with more obvious permanence, eliminate human friction more than mailing lists. They dont remove any of the causes of arguments, but they do at least keep things more compartmentalized, its easier for people to avoid threads that have been derailed, and a more sophisticated array of moderation options are available to deal with offenders. If anything,t he effect of permanence is that when someone whose been ranting and disruptive on a forum finally calms down, possibly months later, they look back and think the site makes them look like an ass and sometimes they demand that all their posts be removed (Ive had to deal with this once or twice on a forum). This causes problems if they posted valuable stuff to the community before being inflicted with trollitis. Anyway Ive often longed for a more versatile and multimedia place for this community to hangout and do its communication. The barrier isnt technology, I havent checked out Scoop yet but Drupal with Organic Groups could be made to serve the needs expressed, in somewhere between 1 day and 1 month, depending on exact features and how much excellence and free time the volunteer developer server master had available to the cause. No, I think the barrier is getting everyone to shift. Its been tried once of twice but getting a mass of people to post somewhere new seems to be a challenge. Forks on more sepcific topics have not gone anywhere, forums have remained relatively barren. Indeed although I havent researched it properly recently, plenty of the video hosting/community sites have struggled somewhat to actually foster a vocal active mass of people that resembles a community, even when they have some better tech on their sites to serve this cause. In order to have another attempt to 'move' tat stands more chance of sucess than in the past, I believe some of the following would help: You need more people to actually express an eager desire for this stuff to happen Any compelling reasons why people prefer yahoo (eg prefer email to web for keeping up) must be addressed by the new service Many people must make a co-ordinated effort to have imput on the design functionality of the new site, take ownership of it, and most importantly use it instead of posting here Whilst there is no designated 'dear leader' for this community, key people who have been passionate and active with the online and offline history of this community, need to speak up in favour of a migration, progress, and be active in promoting the new destination, and even putting peple off using the old one. Id love to be involved with the technical aspect of such things, but I sincerely believe that most of the above would be needed before working out how to implement and move ahead. Ive installed drupal lots of times as a test, and some of those times I simulated making a community that would serve this agenda, but content is king and the mockup is impossible to evaluate without the community - argh which came first, the chicken or the egg? Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the Yahoo groups core values and how do we transmit them to the newbies and other folks stepping up to the camcorder? While I love this group and find the information to be totally priceless, I find this juxtaposition that Steve puts up here to be quite interesting. We're doing all of our serious business at the Wal-Mart of the net, a Yahoo Group. It's pretty ironic, really. All the reliance that we have on the Open Source Community, all the talk of grassroots and content creator control, and here we are spending hours and hours on a Yahoo List. Talk about flushing stuff down the memory hole. These lists were not meant to be communities. They are dysfunctional on their face, and are really only suitable for announcements and such. What this Yahoo Group needs is a Scoop site. This Yahoo group should build the dailyKos of Videoblogging. That's what we need to do, and that's how we're going to be able to compete with all of the MyHeavy's that are going to be coming at us. We need a megaphone, and all we got here is a mailing list; we can't even embed images! Anyway, I'd be happy to pitch in wholeheartedly, although I don't have the DB/MYSQL knowledge to get Scoop configured, I'm sure I could help dial her in. I don't think any of the other CMS setups are as community organized as scoop, and don't think they would be as effective as scoop for a couple thousand users. Check out: http://boomantribune.com http://dailykos.com
[videoblogging] Re: Can someone identify this software?
I emailed him twice. He very well might look upon me as 'the enemy.' I certainly would be interested in using the software in a similar fashion.
[videoblogging] Re: Can someone identify this software?
As some of the other replies show, theres likely to be lots of different ways to achieve a similar result. Whats your starting pint? Have you already got a mac or pc? A camera? Is it a USB webcamera or something else? How would you like to shoot it, do it all live at once, or record you talking first and then go back and annotate the maps as a 2nd take that is synced with the video? Do you already have your own source for the maps, is it a different cource to his? Wht bits of the puzzle do you already have sorted? Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, geofffox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I emailed him twice. He very well might look upon me as 'the enemy.' I certainly would be interested in using the software in a similar fashion.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlogging about Vlogging - Vlogging about Life
I do think permanence tempers but does not eliminate poor behavior, and the compartmentalization is key. I created a place called 'the vent' in k9disc.com where moderators can move 'negative' posts to or where someone can post a blatantly flammable topic. So now I'm never assaulted over my morning coffee with some nasty point of view or some dirty, petty argument. I see it there in the vent, and I can read it if I want to. It's worked really well. Drupal is a nice program, I've administrated it before, but I think that Scoop is far more functional for a vibrant, active community. Scoop isn't just a CMS, it's a great community tool. Lots of stuff happened on DailyKos over the last 3 years, since they installed Scoop. Scoop was the tool used to 'Crash the Gates'. We need a tool like that. That being said, I'm not sure what the administrative workload is. I was unable to install it on my shared servers, so I could not play with it as an admin. But as a user, I have a lot of experience with Scoop, and I must say that it just totally kicks ass. I also agree that there has to be some kind of critical mass and that some of us in a 'leadership' position here have to lead us off this list. If there I'm not sure about the 2 attempted moves of the list, but I do recall one, and if I remember correctly, the site was not bad. It wasn't scoop though. Sign up at boomantribune.com and watch the site for a few days. Watch how dailyKos operates for a few days. (although it has some serious fancy bells a whistles that are not readily available on scoop) Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv On Feb 26, 2007, at 1:12 PM, Steve Watkins wrote: Interesting stuff. The lists are meant to be communities, but they are certainly lacking various features. The web interface for yahoo has gotten a bit more forum-like over time, in that you can see topics b thread now, but yeah its hardly a totally emersive group experience and obviously lacks multimedia joys. I dont think forums or similar, with more obvious permanence, eliminate human friction more than mailing lists. They dont remove any of the causes of arguments, but they do at least keep things more compartmentalized, its easier for people to avoid threads that have been derailed, and a more sophisticated array of moderation options are available to deal with offenders. If anything,t he effect of permanence is that when someone whose been ranting and disruptive on a forum finally calms down, possibly months later, they look back and think the site makes them look like an ass and sometimes they demand that all their posts be removed (Ive had to deal with this once or twice on a forum). This causes problems if they posted valuable stuff to the community before being inflicted with trollitis. Anyway Ive often longed for a more versatile and multimedia place for this community to hangout and do its communication. The barrier isnt technology, I havent checked out Scoop yet but Drupal with Organic Groups could be made to serve the needs expressed, in somewhere between 1 day and 1 month, depending on exact features and how much excellence and free time the volunteer developer server master had available to the cause. No, I think the barrier is getting everyone to shift. Its been tried once of twice but getting a mass of people to post somewhere new seems to be a challenge. Forks on more sepcific topics have not gone anywhere, forums have remained relatively barren. Indeed although I havent researched it properly recently, plenty of the video hosting/community sites have struggled somewhat to actually foster a vocal active mass of people that resembles a community, even when they have some better tech on their sites to serve this cause. In order to have another attempt to 'move' tat stands more chance of sucess than in the past, I believe some of the following would help: You need more people to actually express an eager desire for this stuff to happen Any compelling reasons why people prefer yahoo (eg prefer email to web for keeping up) must be addressed by the new service Many people must make a co-ordinated effort to have imput on the design functionality of the new site, take ownership of it, and most importantly use it instead of posting here Whilst there is no designated 'dear leader' for this community, key people who have been passionate and active with the online and offline history of this community, need to speak up in favour of a migration, progress, and be active in promoting the new destination, and even putting peple off using the old one. Id love to be involved with the technical aspect of such things, but I sincerely believe that most of the above would be needed before working out how to implement and move ahead. Ive installed drupal lots of times as a test, and some of those times I simulated making a
[videoblogging] Re: Vlogging about Vlogging - Vlogging about Life
At early stage of looking at scoop I cant see why it would be much different to learning any other CMS. For my own personal tastes scoop seems slightly long in the tooth and perhaps not kept fresh enough, and not enough add-ons to speed feature development, but I may be missing an active scoop devel community somewhere. Id rather use drupal, but its safe to say there are some people who dont like drupal, and like anything it has its flaws. Which bits of scoop make you so keen on it? Has it got anything resemblign a forum for discussions, I mosstly see CMS and bloggy stuff? The advantages to creating and maintaining it ourselves are apparent, but there are also some drawbacks. It means that 'we' has to be defined, that someone has to pay a bill and someone has to maintain the server and people have to invest time coding it. Im sure that just enough of this time passion exists, but will require a lot of actual users to use the stuff in order to be anything approaching 'sustainable'. Right now theres no responsibility on any of us to make sure the server that runs this list stays operational. True we are therefore placing fate of group in yahoo hands, but they also have the resources to cope. Regarding how this community can be useful to to public at large, again Id agree that the yahoo list is not the best way. Sometimes new people have been directed here for help, often theyve been helped quickly, but it can be a bit daunting and the search falility and lack of groupings of posts into different subforums doesnt help. But in tthe past it seems like most people who wanted to help people in this way, with guides and information, set up their own sites to do so. I dont know if a wiki or any other collaborative CMS or forum could deliver the results that freevlog has, for example. Wikis and stuff can do great things, but usually find far less people prepared to contribute to them than are prepared to supply the same information as part of a list or forum conversation. I dunno, as I said Id love to see a change happen and I think there is some merit in bringing lots of different kinds of information and communication systems together into one community site that works on multiple fronts. It certainly would help me to remember the other stuff exists if it were all under one roof. On a semi-related note Id love to see more experimental non-commercial community video sites, trying things out, experiemnting with strange tech, and being genuinely community run driven. But thats easy to say is another thing I cant explain properly without showing everyone a working example, which wouldnt work without people, oh I dunno, Im making no sense, I'll stew on this one for a while. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that people have started wikis and other CMS apps, but these require a bit of knowledge and experience, or people have to learn something new. When I think of the hundreds of conversations that I would like to recall and/or research, hundreds of valuable threads and ideas, I have no idea where to begin with these groups. The feature set of scoop is what I think we need, and where I think we should move, especially if we are going have an impact and transfer this groups values to people. I love blip, but I'm just thinking of an independent place for videobloggers to congregate and share information. Something that we, not Yahoo, create and maintain. If we want an additional feature we install it. If we have a problem we resolve it. Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv On Feb 26, 2007, at 11:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay - if off Yahoo is what you desire - what are the feat you want? Ability to email each other on a mailing list? Community/moblogging? Threaded comments? Personal diaries? Forums with threads? What are the features you desire? What is the problem you want to solve? I think of what blip.tv offers and what blubrry.com offers. What do you specifically want? --- Sanford Dickert Rawlings Atlantic Inc (954) 323 4450 Sent from my treo 650 -Original Message- From: Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlogging about Vlogging - Vlogging about Life Date: Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:03 pm Size: 2K To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com What are the Yahoo groups core values and how do we transmit them to the newbies and other folks stepping up to the camcorder? While I love this group and find the information to be totally priceless, I find this juxtaposition that Steve puts up here to be quite interesting. We're doing all of our serious business at the Wal-Mart of the net, a Yahoo Group. It's pretty ironic, really. All the reliance that we have on the Open Source Community, all the talk of grassroots and content
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlogging about Vlogging - Vlogging about Life
I agree that the development activity of scoop has not been very active, I am sure that Drupal has improved markedly over the last couple of years and could probably easily replicate Scoop these days. Scoop is CMS and Bloggy, but it has that rating system and recommended diaries that allow good content to bubble up nicely. The input and navigation interface are really rather simple, and I'm just guessing, but I don't think there is a lot of modification needed out of the box to get it to perform those functions, and those functions work. If we had news stories, highlighted or reviewed and/or blogged video, tutorials, group projects, etc. It would not seem so bloggy. Think of a Community Media Blog. I put out a call for a group project a couple weeks ago to the community here, and it's gone. Nobody will ever see it again. My window for collaboration opened and closed in a day or so. That's not cool. We can't even link to our own blog here without fearing the spammer label. As far as paying a bill and such, I don't think that is too big a problem. Someone in this community must have server space, and most of the content would be hosted elsewhere (blip, dreamhost, flickr, etc.) so data transfer wouldn't be too outrageous. Of course we could always fund drive and such; a far easier task if you have something tangible and cool like a fat community site. Another 15 minutes I've just poured into the blackhole of Yahoo lists. If I had a nickel for every minute I've spent on Yahoo Lists... I'm starting to feel the same kind of guilt I feel shopping at WalMart. Cheers, Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv On Feb 26, 2007, at 1:57 PM, Steve Watkins wrote: At early stage of looking at scoop I cant see why it would be much different to learning any other CMS. For my own personal tastes scoop seems slightly long in the tooth and perhaps not kept fresh enough, and not enough add-ons to speed feature development, but I may be missing an active scoop devel community somewhere. Id rather use drupal, but its safe to say there are some people who dont like drupal, and like anything it has its flaws. Which bits of scoop make you so keen on it? Has it got anything resemblign a forum for discussions, I mosstly see CMS and bloggy stuff? The advantages to creating and maintaining it ourselves are apparent, but there are also some drawbacks. It means that 'we' has to be defined, that someone has to pay a bill and someone has to maintain the server and people have to invest time coding it. Im sure that just enough of this time passion exists, but will require a lot of actual users to use the stuff in order to be anything approaching 'sustainable'. Right now theres no responsibility on any of us to make sure the server that runs this list stays operational. True we are therefore placing fate of group in yahoo hands, but they also have the resources to cope. Regarding how this community can be useful to to public at large, again Id agree that the yahoo list is not the best way. Sometimes new people have been directed here for help, often theyve been helped quickly, but it can be a bit daunting and the search falility and lack of groupings of posts into different subforums doesnt help. But in tthe past it seems like most people who wanted to help people in this way, with guides and information, set up their own sites to do so. I dont know if a wiki or any other collaborative CMS or forum could deliver the results that freevlog has, for example. Wikis and stuff can do great things, but usually find far less people prepared to contribute to them than are prepared to supply the same information as part of a list or forum conversation. I dunno, as I said Id love to see a change happen and I think there is some merit in bringing lots of different kinds of information and communication systems together into one community site that works on multiple fronts. It certainly would help me to remember the other stuff exists if it were all under one roof. On a semi-related note Id love to see more experimental non-commercial community video sites, trying things out, experiemnting with strange tech, and being genuinely community run driven. But thats easy to say is another thing I cant explain properly without showing everyone a working example, which wouldnt work without people, oh I dunno, Im making no sense, I'll stew on this one for a while. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that people have started wikis and other CMS apps, but these require a bit of knowledge and experience, or people have to learn something new. When I think of the hundreds of conversations that I would like to recall and/or research, hundreds of valuable threads and ideas, I have no idea where to begin with these groups. The feature
RE: [videoblogging] Re: I shoved a camera in Jonny Goldstein's face at Beyond Broadcast ...question
To answer your question re: bad audio quality, I recently came across this blog post http://clive-shepherd.blogspot.com/2007/02/audio-quality-does-matter.html In The Media Equation by Byron Reeves and Clifford Nass (Cambridge University Press, 1996), the authors make some profound and non-intuitive assertions about the ways in which people relate to computers and TVs. Among these are the following: 1. Audio fidelity will attract attention to media. 2. Audio fidelity will affect people's memory for audio information. 3. People will evaluate better audio fidelity differently than poorer audio fidelity. _ From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Watkins Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 12:56 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: I shoved a camera in Jonny Goldstein's face at Beyond Broadcast ...question Good audio certainly seems important to the experience of consuming video, but I dont know if it needs to be 'broadcast quality'. Apart from th external mic options which I know little of, fixing in post-production or using a totally seperate device to record the audio are options, the latter especially making sense in the 'subject is far away from camera' scenario. In this area we can copy the best practice that I assume podcasters have been discussing for a few years. The probelms are that re-syncing audio to video can be a right chore, and mixing other post-processing of audio can only do so much to make up for bad recordings, and requires a fair amount of knowledge to do properly. Id like to think the tools and hardware will get better in future, but I dont see all that much room for improvement. Individuals may bring their knowledge up to the required level from experience, but its hard to see this stuff becoming a simple one-button operation any time soon, so hard to shield newbies from these issues. Ive sometimes hoped that in the future there would be lots of people online who have skills equipment that previously only very few had access to, and we could see a new era of post-production services provided online at mass consumer prices. So someone else could take care of these things for you. But this doesnt necessarily translate well to things like audio because the golden rule seems to be to get the audio captured right in the first place, maybe nothing can make post-processing significantly better or easier. Its a shame radio mic's arent all they're cracked up to be. Whilst its certainly possible to get a wireless mic working nicely, if you dont have too much control over the environment you are filming in, it can be a nightmare. I wonder if people are universally more susceptible to bad audio than differences in video quality - eg the video framerate issue I sometimes mention, that clearly doesnt bother many people or we'd here more about it, yet does make a very real difference to what the brains of the viewers are getting. The only audio I know I cannot stand is when you cannot quite hear the person talking, without straining. Wind or people in the audience coughing are 2 causes that spring to mind. Oh no Im having flashbacks to when someone asked me if they could fix their wedding video, and when I got it just about the entire ceremony was obliterated by strong wind noise into mic. It was possible to remove that noise but there still wasnt much talking left underneath. I guess lighting is the video equivalent of these audio issues? Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, Beth Kanter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I had the pleasure to meet Jonny Goldstein at Beyond Broadcast and shove a camera in his face and interview him -- ... I'm still working on the video ... http://beth. http://beth.typepad.com/beths_blog/2007/02/oh_yeah_and_i_s.html typepad.com/beths_blog/2007/02/oh_yeah_and_i_s.html I'm still thinking about the comment someone made in the Beyond YouTube Working Group about audio quality and how it makes them shudder that the user-generated content doesn't have good audio. What does that mean? Certainly not everyone can afford to purchase expensive professional level equipment to ensure broadcast quality audio. How can you get acceptable or decent sound quality but use inexpensive equipment? Jonny Goldstein left me a comment on that post that asks Acceptable to who? (http://beth. http://beth.typepad.com/beths_blog/2007/02/oh_yeah_and_i_s.html#comments typepad.com/beths_blog/2007/02/oh_yeah_and_i_s.html#comments) But, it is a good goal to work towards improving one's production values. Here's my problem. I have a cannon SD800 with built-in mic. It's cheap and easy to use. It captures the video as mpeg on a card that I can easily get into my aging pc laptop with USB thingy and use the free windows editing software to edit. So far, I've learned that I have to get really
[videoblogging] Re: Photos and Links: Beyond Broadcast 2007
Thanks... I was really dissapointed i couldn't make this Beyond Broadcast. I really like the Beyond Broadcast and OMDS conferences. Now I just spen half a day reading and watching videos from this one and can't wait for more. Does anyone know if ITP is hosting anything soon? I really like the stuff they pull together. JV --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Tames [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Here's a Flickr Query that will show you photos from Beyond Broadcast 2007 (by various folks, sorted by interestingness): http://flickr.com/search/? q=beyondbroadcastd=posted-20070223-20070226s=int It was quite an interesting day. Various people's notes and comments on conference as per del.icio.us tags are easy to find via: http://del.icio.us/tag/beyondbroadcast Cheers, David. David Tames, Filmmaker Media Technologist http://kino-eye.com | 617.216.1096
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlogging about Vlogging - Vlogging about Life
use gmail for mailing lists to get threading and search out of the experience. blogs and lists work well enough. whenever someone tries to centralize the so-called community, it doesnt work out. there are more than just one reason for this. also, this list isnt the community. it just so happens to contain a small group of active users who give a sense of community on and offline. sull On 2/26/07, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Threaded comments would be nice. A decent search function would be as well. Community. Permanence. Activism. Organization. Education. Entertainment. Does any of that really happen on the list? And we can't even send embedded images, let alone embed video. I know that people have started wikis and other CMS apps, but these require a bit of knowledge and experience, or people have to learn something new. When I think of the hundreds of conversations that I would like to recall and/or research, hundreds of valuable threads and ideas, I have no idea where to begin with these groups. The feature set of scoop is what I think we need, and where I think we should move, especially if we are going have an impact and transfer this groups values to people. I love blip, but I'm just thinking of an independent place for videobloggers to congregate and share information. Something that we, not Yahoo, create and maintain. If we want an additional feature we install it. If we have a problem we resolve it. Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv On Feb 26, 2007, at 11:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]sdickert%40rawlingsatlantic.comwrote: Okay - if off Yahoo is what you desire - what are the feat you want? Ability to email each other on a mailing list? Community/moblogging? Threaded comments? Personal diaries? Forums with threads? What are the features you desire? What is the problem you want to solve? I think of what blip.tv offers and what blubrry.com offers. What do you specifically want? --- Sanford Dickert Rawlings Atlantic Inc (954) 323 4450 Sent from my treo 650 -Original Message- From: Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] k9disc%40mac.com Subj: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlogging about Vlogging - Vlogging about Life Date: Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:03 pm Size: 2K To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com What are the Yahoo groups core values and how do we transmit them to the newbies and other folks stepping up to the camcorder? While I love this group and find the information to be totally priceless, I find this juxtaposition that Steve puts up here to be quite interesting. We're doing all of our serious business at the Wal-Mart of the net, a Yahoo Group. It's pretty ironic, really. All the reliance that we have on the Open Source Community, all the talk of grassroots and content creator control, and here we are spending hours and hours on a Yahoo List. Talk about flushing stuff down the memory hole. These lists were not meant to be communities. They are dysfunctional on their face, and are really only suitable for announcements and such. What this Yahoo Group needs is a Scoop site. This Yahoo group should build the dailyKos of Videoblogging. That's what we need to do, and that's how we're going to be able to compete with all of the MyHeavy's that are going to be coming at us. We need a megaphone, and all we got here is a mailing list; we can't even embed images! Anyway, I'd be happy to pitch in wholeheartedly, although I don't have the DB/MYSQL knowledge to get Scoop configured, I'm sure I could help dial her in. I don't think any of the other CMS setups are as community organized as scoop, and don't think they would be as effective as scoop for a couple thousand users. Check out: http://boomantribune.com http://dailykos.com If you haven't seen a scoop site. Anyway, just shooting my mouth off again, but I think the disconnect I felt at Steve's quoted comment is something that we must deal with if we are to mold any sort of values for newbies and the public in general. I think the way to do that is to get our attention off this list and on building something. Cheers, Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv On Feb 25, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Steve Garfield wrote: At the public access station where I taught video blogging for a number of sessions, they've done away with the stand alone video blogging class and now have an 'Adding Multimedia to Your Web Page' class because people want to know how to put pictures, audio and video on the web to share... http://www.cctvcambridge.org/?q=node/94#html On Feb 25, 2007, at 2:08 PM, Gena wrote: There are other folks teaching vlogging such as Videomaker magazine who calls it
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlogging about Vlogging - Vlogging about Life
But that's the clever thing. it wouldn't be centralized. The big blogging sites are not a centralized community they pull everyone to them. The contributors run their own blogs. I understand that this list is not the 'videoblogging community', but this list is a driving factor in the development of videoblogging. Many of the people here are leaders in the industry. I just found it interesting the juxtaposition between 'transferring this communities values' to the you tubers and general public when 'this community' is doing the same thing here on this list; getting an inferior product and making some company money because it is 'easy'. All I know is that Daily Kos and Scoop serve hundreds of thousands of users and had a major impact on our political landscape over the last couple of years. The people on this list are capable of building a similar 'gate crashing' community that can challenge the corporate media and that needs to be done. This list ain't gonna do that. So I'll just stop talking now, and if I can keep my mouth shut, in a couple days this topic will be gone. Cheers, Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv On Feb 26, 2007, at 2:36 PM, sull wrote: use gmail for mailing lists to get threading and search out of the experience. blogs and lists work well enough. whenever someone tries to centralize the so-called community, it doesnt work out. there are more than just one reason for this. also, this list isnt the community. it just so happens to contain a small group of active users who give a sense of community on and offline. sull On 2/26/07, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Threaded comments would be nice. A decent search function would be as well. Community. Permanence. Activism. Organization. Education. Entertainment. Does any of that really happen on the list? And we can't even send embedded images, let alone embed video. I know that people have started wikis and other CMS apps, but these require a bit of knowledge and experience, or people have to learn something new. When I think of the hundreds of conversations that I would like to recall and/or research, hundreds of valuable threads and ideas, I have no idea where to begin with these groups. The feature set of scoop is what I think we need, and where I think we should move, especially if we are going have an impact and transfer this groups values to people. I love blip, but I'm just thinking of an independent place for videobloggers to congregate and share information. Something that we, not Yahoo, create and maintain. If we want an additional feature we install it. If we have a problem we resolve it. Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv On Feb 26, 2007, at 11:46 AM,[EMAIL PROTECTED]sdickert% 40rawlingsatlantic.comwrote: Okay - if off Yahoo is what you desire - what are the feat you want? Ability to email each other on a mailing list? Community/moblogging? Threaded comments? Personal diaries? Forums with threads? What are the features you desire? What is the problem you want to solve? I think of what blip.tv offers and what blubrry.com offers. What do you specifically want? --- Sanford Dickert Rawlings Atlantic Inc (954) 323 4450 Sent from my treo 650 -Original Message- From: Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] k9disc%40mac.com Subj: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlogging about Vlogging - Vlogging about Life Date: Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:03 pm Size: 2K To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com What are the Yahoo groups core values and how do we transmit them to the newbies and other folks stepping up to the camcorder? While I love this group and find the information to be totally priceless, I find this juxtaposition that Steve puts up here to be quite interesting. We're doing all of our serious business at the Wal-Mart of the net, a Yahoo Group. It's pretty ironic, really. All the reliance that we have on the Open Source Community, all the talk of grassroots and content creator control, and here we are spending hours and hours on a Yahoo List. Talk about flushing stuff down the memory hole. These lists were not meant to be communities. They are dysfunctional on their face, and are really only suitable for announcements and such. What this Yahoo Group needs is a Scoop site. This Yahoo group should build the dailyKos of Videoblogging. That's what we need to do, and that's how we're going to be able to compete with all of the MyHeavy's that are going to be coming at us. We need a megaphone, and all we got here is a mailing list; we can't even embed images! Anyway, I'd be
[videoblogging] Tuesday FlashMeeting
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[videoblogging] Re: Vlogging about Vlogging - Vlogging about Life
The reason I asked about forum features is that this 'community' is currently a discussion list, and a blog/CMS is not a replacement for the purely conversational aspects. So Im just checking whether you are proposing that this list be conducted only using bloggy stuff, rather than as a forum that may be part of a larger system which has blog, news, group, poll multimedia features as well, which is what I originally assumed was being proposed. You can certainly link to your own blog here without fearing the spammer label. Paying bills and all the server tech development issues are not problems too large to be overcome with a little concerted effort, the point I was trying to make is someone still ahs to do it, and we then become reliant on them rather than yahoo. What happens if they get hit by a bis, who owns the domain name, etc? In practice these issues may only cause problems once every few years or never, but as part of your motivation seems to be escaping yahoo, have to point out that yahoo's current role is not completely trivial to duplicate, that they have drawbacks but also some strengths. I dont really find the whole walmart thing to be a great fit for my feelings on yahoo and the like. Now despite any reservations I may have as to specifics, I would wholeheartedly support some sort of move that combined the best of yahoo groups, forums, blogs, news sites, wiki's, video, audio etc. My main reservation remains whether enough people are interested in it and see the need. As I am personally very interested in how much the net can be used to form communities to do stuff that people are often inclined to prefer doing in person, I wish I could help change this. I do not know if its causes are a failure of tools services in the past thats puts people off, or people get familiar with what they know, or people meet in real life and maintain their relationships more in that way from that point. Or whether people do not actually have that much time per day to dedicate to online communities, or whether the most natural way people think of helping is by simple conversation-like responses rather than organizing knowledge into a highly structured form. Id like to use the ourmedia groups as an example of a drupal site where there is a community gathered at one site on a very broad topic, but with many subgroups of the users own creation, where interested members of the community can gather to discuss, blog etc around a specific topic or theme. But ourmedia has always been too slow for me to really get into below the surface at all, I just clicked on a group and it took nearly 20 seconds to lod the page, and that always send me running in the opposite direction. But regardless of that, has this use of groups worked at ourmedia, is there a real community there, and lots of subcommunities, making good use of the features? Did it take long for people to do this, has it faded or grown, have other services like blip suceeded? Im sort of guessing that if any of them had fully suceeded then this list may appear slightly more obsolete than it actually seems to be. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that the development activity of scoop has not been very active, I am sure that Drupal has improved markedly over the last couple of years and could probably easily replicate Scoop these days. Scoop is CMS and Bloggy, but it has that rating system and recommended diaries that allow good content to bubble up nicely. The input and navigation interface are really rather simple, and I'm just guessing, but I don't think there is a lot of modification needed out of the box to get it to perform those functions, and those functions work. If we had news stories, highlighted or reviewed and/or blogged video, tutorials, group projects, etc. It would not seem so bloggy. Think of a Community Media Blog. I put out a call for a group project a couple weeks ago to the community here, and it's gone. Nobody will ever see it again. My window for collaboration opened and closed in a day or so. That's not cool. We can't even link to our own blog here without fearing the spammer label. As far as paying a bill and such, I don't think that is too big a problem. Someone in this community must have server space, and most of the content would be hosted elsewhere (blip, dreamhost, flickr, etc.) so data transfer wouldn't be too outrageous. Of course we could always fund drive and such; a far easier task if you have something tangible and cool like a fat community site. Another 15 minutes I've just poured into the blackhole of Yahoo lists. If I had a nickel for every minute I've spent on Yahoo Lists... I'm starting to feel the same kind of guilt I feel shopping at WalMart. Cheers, Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv On Feb 26,
[videoblogging] Re: Do you live in NYC?
This is a strange bug in the Yahoogroups that if you are reading this list on the Yahoogroups site as messages grouped by topic (threaded topics) and someone uses the same subject line as an old conversation Yahoogroups thinks that it's a continuation of the old convo and brings up all of these old messages. This particular subject was used once before back in 2005 and it's kinda funny to see these messages about Ryanne moving to NYC and to think all thats happened since then ... Yeah it's a bug, but kind of a fun one. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're having a casual Videoblogging meetup at the Art Bar on Sunday night at 7pm. http://www.yelp.com/biz/42eG3oJ2tv9Vv-32QP51Lg All are welcome! I know its the Oscars..and I believe they'll have it on the TV in the front room in case you cant miss the action. This is your opportunity to meet other crazy people with cameras. jay 917 371 6790 -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com
[videoblogging] Re: which model should you buy ?
Get a cell phone that will do decent video and a data plan so you can upload directly from your phone. Seems to be the way of a lot of YouTubers. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, michael12happy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just need a camcorder to record myself for about 10 -15 minutes, the most 30 minutes and then post to youtube. my budget is quite low :-) what model of camcorder should i buy ?
[videoblogging] Re: Video editing on Linux?
I have hope that this: http://ubuntustudio.org/ will be the great opensource media creation Linux distro--but we'll see ... I need to get a PC so I can test this out when it's ready. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Tom Gosse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 24 February 2007 08:14 pm, Nox Dineen wrote: I'm swapping back to Linux on my laptop, and although I'll keep Windows on my desktop (my main video editing machine), I will be using the lappy to do some video stuff when I'm away from home. I'm wondering of anybody here uses Linux, and if so what you're using to edit video. I never did find anything decent for photo or video work (GIMP just doesn't cut it for me, I'm a Photoshop girl). Thanks, Nox -- Tom Gosse [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm using Linux as my primary operating system now. My Windoze machine died, I lost a lot of video editing software and I can't afford $300 to $500 to upgrade to Vista. Here is a link to a site about movies on Linux: http://linuxmovies.org From what I've read, and I haven't read everything, there are no programs for Linux that compare to Adobe Premiere Pro, After Effects, or Apple's Final Cut Pro. The really good programs used by the big studios in Hollywood are all proprietary software developed especially for them. I've just installed Kino but haven't had a chance to play with it yet. I don't think Linux will have any really good video editing programs for the average user for quite some time. For one thing, the installed base of home desktop users is too small. Because Linux is a more efficient OS it doesn't have a lot of routines that automatically install and tweak programs for the user. You need to get under the hood and do a lot of tweaking on your own. That's more work than the average user wants to do. As one friend of mine put it: he want's to edit video, not learn how to program the Bash shell. Good luck, and keep us posted on how goes your editing on Linux. Tom Gosse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[videoblogging] Re: Can someone identify this software?
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, geofffox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This could probably be easily done for low cost with two programs. Camstudio - Free (screen capture) Vlog It - ~$50 (video in video/telepromter and much more) Happy Creating, The Vlogger Wannabe --- I am trying to find what software is used to produce the video on this page. It's quite a tool and I've never seen it before. http://wwwa.accuweather.com/news-blogs.asp? blog=meteomadnessdate=2007-02-26_0242 Thanks for your help. Geoff Fox
[videoblogging] JustVlog.com
I have JustVlog.com, I have had the domain for some time now..not sure what to do with it. Any ideas? jad madpod.com dummycast.com testdrivegirl.com petsonboard.com pawshow.com
[videoblogging] Re: Vlogging about Vlogging - Vlogging about Life
That is an interesting and amusing comparison. Im not a youtube hater, and although I take issue with the way youtube does some stuff, Im prone to think that most people using youtube dont need to know that videoblogging even exists. The service they are using may be inferior in some ways, but its brought them to the online video party so its already proved its worth. Now a possible reason why this yahoo group may be tolerated or liked by most, and change will be resisted, is because its basically serving a purpose, and the purpose is not at the very centre of their vlogging lives. Yahoo features dont affect their video or their blog or anything else they are doing in or out of the communities associated with this list and vlogging in general. It suceeds in sending messages, and its active, it doesnt go wrong too often, and I dont see very many people wishing they could communicate with everyone here using rich video. I wish I did see everyone here saying that, but I dont. Is 'this community' likely to keep on giving birth anyway, or is it natural that its fertility should decline? Has it spent most of its reproductive force on vloggercon, node101, and other fine community things, is it natural to assume that evolution from this quarter will slow? Whilst Im sure we can agree that such things require a community to work, how much of them are the creation of very specific people, without whom no community things like vloggercon would have been created at all? What is the difference between a project that people who belong to this community create, but essential is 'theirs', and something thats community created, driven, controlled all the way? Oh I dunno, I more than half gave up of such progress happening en mass from this particular part of the internets. What have I got for comparison? Hows the podcasting community? They got any popular forums, lists, group blogs etc which are partially frequented by the same people as form the realworld meetings/events of the podcast community? Anyways if it doesnt look like this sort of thing is gonna happen here, then Id guess it may happen somewhere else, spontaneously. Who knows where, the humans are the driving force, the first tool/site/service they choose that seems to work, or where they meet and realise they have a common dream, means they are just as likely to emerge from youtube or anywhere else, whatever drawbacks may exist. Good luck to them, who can say if the batton has already passed,or what role any new media powerhouses or creative nurturing network entities ma come along in the future to fill this space. How much video remains in the browser, podcasting and mobile phones etc, DRM, how people connect the net to their TV's, how old media responds, how much of a phase personal vlogging and youtubing is for people, what happens with social networking sites like myspace, along with real-world factors like the state of the economy and how much free time people have, all make their mark on the unknown future of humans and video on the net. Video on the internet becoming normal and an expected feature on a vast range of sites, will also have consequences for who makes up any videoblogging communities anyway. In a world where 'everyone' was vlogging, a list specialising on vlogging would be inhabited mostly only by those with a very specific passion for some element of vlogging, that made it necessary to discuss for its own sake. One of the problems with politics is that politicians and institutions do not like to make themselves obsolete. Wheras a necesary consequence of making vlogging accessible to the masses, is that its so accessible that guides and pioneers no longer need to be sought in order to get on the path. So youtubes motorway isnt surfaced quite the way we'd like it, and theres something nicer about the good old path, but whoa that motorway can sure shift some traffic, reach humans, no manual required. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just found it interesting the juxtaposition between 'transferring this communities values' to the you tubers and general public when 'this community' is doing the same thing here on this list; getting an inferior product and making some company money because it is 'easy'.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: which model should you buy ?
Absolutely. You don't even need to upload on a mobile network. With Nokia N93 and N95 you can just upload using your home wifi (or wifi anywhere else for that matter) for free, and also transfer to your PC very quickly using Bluetooth. The video quality on them is very good - not phone-like. And you can edit in camera if you want. If you want to see, you can check the film I just uploaded using my N93. Rupert http://www.fatgirlinohio.org http://feeds.feedburner.com/fatgirlinohio On 26 Feb 2007, at 20:30, Bill Streeter wrote: Get a cell phone that will do decent video and a data plan so you can upload directly from your phone. Seems to be the way of a lot of YouTubers. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, michael12happy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just need a camcorder to record myself for about 10 -15 minutes, the most 30 minutes and then post to youtube. my budget is quite low :-) what model of camcorder should i buy ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: which model should you buy ?
If all you are doing is youtubeish talking head videos, just get a cheap webcam and record your stuff straight to your HD. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely. You don't even need to upload on a mobile network. With Nokia N93 and N95 you can just upload using your home wifi (or wifi anywhere else for that matter) for free, and also transfer to your PC very quickly using Bluetooth. The video quality on them is very good - not phone-like. And you can edit in camera if you want. If you want to see, you can check the film I just uploaded using my N93. Rupert http://www.fatgirlinohio.org http://feeds.feedburner.com/fatgirlinohio On 26 Feb 2007, at 20:30, Bill Streeter wrote: Get a cell phone that will do decent video and a data plan so you can upload directly from your phone. Seems to be the way of a lot of YouTubers. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, michael12happy michael12happy@ wrote: I just need a camcorder to record myself for about 10 -15 minutes, the most 30 minutes and then post to youtube. my budget is quite low :-) what model of camcorder should i buy ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlogging about Vlogging - Vlogging about Life
mefeedia? ;) On 2/26/07, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But that's the clever thing. it wouldn't be centralized. The big blogging sites are not a centralized community they pull everyone to them. The contributors run their own blogs. I understand that this list is not the 'videoblogging community', but this list is a driving factor in the development of videoblogging. Many of the people here are leaders in the industry. I just found it interesting the juxtaposition between 'transferring this communities values' to the you tubers and general public when 'this community' is doing the same thing here on this list; getting an inferior product and making some company money because it is 'easy'. All I know is that Daily Kos and Scoop serve hundreds of thousands of users and had a major impact on our political landscape over the last couple of years. The people on this list are capable of building a similar 'gate crashing' community that can challenge the corporate media and that needs to be done. This list ain't gonna do that. So I'll just stop talking now, and if I can keep my mouth shut, in a couple days this topic will be gone. Cheers, Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv On Feb 26, 2007, at 2:36 PM, sull wrote: use gmail for mailing lists to get threading and search out of the experience. blogs and lists work well enough. whenever someone tries to centralize the so-called community, it doesnt work out. there are more than just one reason for this. also, this list isnt the community. it just so happens to contain a small group of active users who give a sense of community on and offline. sull On 2/26/07, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] k9disc%40mac.com wrote: Threaded comments would be nice. A decent search function would be as well. Community. Permanence. Activism. Organization. Education. Entertainment. Does any of that really happen on the list? And we can't even send embedded images, let alone embed video. I know that people have started wikis and other CMS apps, but these require a bit of knowledge and experience, or people have to learn something new. When I think of the hundreds of conversations that I would like to recall and/or research, hundreds of valuable threads and ideas, I have no idea where to begin with these groups. The feature set of scoop is what I think we need, and where I think we should move, especially if we are going have an impact and transfer this groups values to people. I love blip, but I'm just thinking of an independent place for videobloggers to congregate and share information. Something that we, not Yahoo, create and maintain. If we want an additional feature we install it. If we have a problem we resolve it. Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv On Feb 26, 2007, at 11:46 AM,[EMAIL PROTECTED] sdickert%40rawlingsatlantic.comsdickert% 40rawlingsatlantic.comwrote: Okay - if off Yahoo is what you desire - what are the feat you want? Ability to email each other on a mailing list? Community/moblogging? Threaded comments? Personal diaries? Forums with threads? What are the features you desire? What is the problem you want to solve? I think of what blip.tv offers and what blubrry.com offers. What do you specifically want? --- Sanford Dickert Rawlings Atlantic Inc (954) 323 4450 Sent from my treo 650 -Original Message- From: Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] k9disc%40mac.comk9disc%40mac.com Subj: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlogging about Vlogging - Vlogging about Life Date: Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:03 pm Size: 2K To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com What are the Yahoo groups core values and how do we transmit them to the newbies and other folks stepping up to the camcorder? While I love this group and find the information to be totally priceless, I find this juxtaposition that Steve puts up here to be quite interesting. We're doing all of our serious business at the Wal-Mart of the net, a Yahoo Group. It's pretty ironic, really. All the reliance that we have on the Open Source Community, all the talk of grassroots and content creator control, and here we are spending hours and hours on a Yahoo List. Talk about flushing stuff down the memory hole. These lists were not meant to be communities. They are dysfunctional on their face, and are really only suitable for announcements and such. What this Yahoo Group needs is a Scoop site. This Yahoo group should build the dailyKos of Videoblogging.
[videoblogging] Re: which model should you buy ?
Yeah those sound like good options, in some circumstances might not be the cheapest option though? How do the memory configs of those phones translate to the 30 minute mac recording requirement he has? Where are you filming yourself? The ultra-cheap option is to use a webcam and record to computer hard disc, or even straight to youtube. Other cheap options are still-cameras that happen to record video, though those are often limited to very short amounts of time and may lack anything like a good enough microphone. And similarily there are a range of cheapo record to memorystick cameras that have emerged, some have quirks and quality definately varies, but the price might be right. Theres a large number of cheap miniDV cameras that may be suitable, video quality of pretty much all models is likely to be good enough unless you have any special requirements. But look at some recent discussions on the list about audio, cameras without an external mic connector will give poor results for certain sorts of shooting. More details about what you want to do and your budget would allow more specific advice. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely. You don't even need to upload on a mobile network. With Nokia N93 and N95 you can just upload using your home wifi (or wifi anywhere else for that matter) for free, and also transfer to your PC very quickly using Bluetooth. The video quality on them is very good - not phone-like. And you can edit in camera if you want. If you want to see, you can check the film I just uploaded using my N93. Rupert http://www.fatgirlinohio.org http://feeds.feedburner.com/fatgirlinohio On 26 Feb 2007, at 20:30, Bill Streeter wrote: Get a cell phone that will do decent video and a data plan so you can upload directly from your phone. Seems to be the way of a lot of YouTubers. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, michael12happy michael12happy@ wrote: I just need a camcorder to record myself for about 10 -15 minutes, the most 30 minutes and then post to youtube. my budget is quite low :-) what model of camcorder should i buy ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Dynamic Product Placement
For those of you who might have missed it, last week a friend of mine blogged about some product placement work I've been doing with my company. So, I've broken my silence and have setup a demonstration of it at: http://www.aweli.com/lab/cereal.html If all goes as planned, a couple of familiar vloggers will be giving it a dress rehearsal before SXSW. If you're interested in participating, or want to know where we're heading with the tech, feel free to contact me. -- joshpaul o: 818-237-5200 c: 818-667-0900 w: joshpaul.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Dynamic Product Placement
I missed that post but I love this. This is awsome in so many ways. I'd like to get involved. Contact you off list? You contact me? Let me know Dave So, I've broken my silence and have setup a demonstration of it at: http://www.aweli.com/lab/cereal.html If all goes as planned, a couple of familiar vloggers will be giving it a dress rehearsal before SXSW. If you're interested in participating, or want to know where we're heading with the tech, feel free to contact me. -- joshpaul o: 818-237-5200 c: 818-667-0900 w: joshpaul.com
[videoblogging] Vlog Fade
We discussed this at the Podcamp Toronto, but I think it's worth discussing here, in this group. As a vlogger, we spend our time filming, editing and posting our vlogs. We invest our time to our hobby. On the other side of the coin, our viewers also invest their time in watching and commenting. We, as vloggers, bloggers, podcasters have the responsibility to keep producing vlogs or at least tell our viewers why we've stopped or when/if we'll be getting back into it. I know of a bunch of vlogs that I use to follow, but the creator has just stopped. Perhaps they got bored, hit by a bus or maybe it's equipment issues. Regardless what the reason is, I want to know why they've stopped. A simple post would be nice. If you normally do a daily show and then decide you can't keep up with that schedule, then let the viewers know. If you normally post on a Thursday, but you're away for a couple weeks, let your viewers know. If you are going to shelf the whole idea or vlogging, it'd be great if you could recommend other sites your viewers could visit instead. If you are a vlogger and have come into a creative block, let your users know. You know, I just don't feel like doing a show this week, so instead I'd like to offer you a best-of show. A change of scenery might be all that it takes. If you have a vlog about horror movies and you're tired of talking about slashers, maybe you could start talking about chick-flicks or other genre. Heck, even Star Trek had spin offs. Anyhow... just remember that the time you, as a vlogger, are investing in creation, there are others who are also investing their time in watching. Mike http://vlog.mikemoon.net
Re: [videoblogging] Vlog Fade
Anyhow... just remember that the time you, as a vlogger, are investing in creation, there are others who are also investing their time in watching. This is a really good reminder. I don't think my viewers expect high regularity, but I am past-due for a post. The next post slated for release is going to be a nightmare of editing, and after doing three posts in three days at the beginning of the month, I haven't made the next post a priority. We've been using the time to rethink certain parts of production, do some website overhauls, and plan for a second vlog that we're getting ready to launch. You're right, though, that one should at least put up a little news/clip show or something every once in a while as a keepalive. We'll have to think about doing that very soon. Oddly enough, our subscriber count has soared, almost to the point of doubling, during our current drought. -- Rhett. http://www.weatherlight.com/freetime
[videoblogging] MySpace Band Calls for Music Videos
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofilefriendid=133264333 Social networking at it's most interesting: band member offers MySpace friendship; profile sports notice that they're looking for folks to download and make music videos to their song. Not my style of music, but figured someone here might like it. Jan -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Vlog Fade
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Moon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We discussed this at the Podcamp Toronto, but I think it's worth discussing here, in this group. As a vlogger, we spend our time filming, editing and posting our vlogs. We invest our time to our hobby. On the other side of the coin, our viewers also invest their time in watching and commenting. We, as vloggers, bloggers, podcasters have the responsibility to keep producing vlogs or at least tell our viewers why we've stopped or when/if we'll be getting back into it. I know of a bunch of vlogs that I use to follow, but the creator has just stopped. Perhaps they got bored, hit by a bus or maybe it's equipment issues. Regardless what the reason is, I want to know why they've stopped. A simple post would be nice. If you normally do a daily show and then decide you can't keep up with that schedule, then let the viewers know. If you normally post on a Thursday, but you're away for a couple weeks, let your viewers know. If you are going to shelf the whole idea or vlogging, it'd be great if you could recommend other sites your viewers could visit instead. If you are a vlogger and have come into a creative block, let your users know. You know, I just don't feel like doing a show this week, so instead I'd like to offer you a best-of show. A change of scenery might be all that it takes. If you have a vlog about horror movies and you're tired of talking about slashers, maybe you could start talking about chick-flicks or other genre. Heck, even Star Trek had spin offs. Anyhow... just remember that the time you, as a vlogger, are investing in creation, there are others who are also investing their time in watching. Mike http://vlog.mikemoon.net Very good point. I agree with extending that courtesy to the viewers. I agree the most in situations where viewers were solicited in the first place. This kind of ties into the conversation about the audience of ten. If you're doing your vlog because you feel like it or you happened to have something to say to your small, selected audience, maybe it doesn't make sense to make a post saying you're not going to post because it's already implied in the informal nature of your set of videos. However, if you're doing something where you've specifically asked people to tune in, or you've been posting on a regular schedule consistently, kind of _implying_ an intention to continue to do so, I think a notice about changing something or taking a break from something or maybe even doing re-runs is a good idea and shows courtesy and consideration to the people that cared enough to check your site on a regular basis or subscribe to you. -- Bill C. http://ReelSolid.TV
Re: [videoblogging] Wreck Salvage Auction, ACT NOW!
Get yer ya-ya`s out. Clock is tickin away. It`s already more than we hoped
for, but not enough to fund out demolition derby car and accompanying
documentary vlog series (dead serious).
Please, for the love of God, Bog, Dog, whomever:
http:wreckandsalvage.com/auction
PS: I`m on a Spanish language keyboard so here´s some extra characters
Ñ¿¡+*]}{´ºª
Much love and respect and thanks to all who care and want us to succeed.
It`s a fucking awesome feeling, and I can´t tell you all how much it means
to us. Nelson and I were hoping for $5.00.
Word life,
Adam Quirk
wreckandsalvage.com
551-208-4644
pss. I´m out of town for the NYC get together, of course. BUT, I just read
something about v'con in NYC. I vote for that.
On 2/24/07, bottomunion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We're up to a high bid of $177, and there are numerous people watching
it. There are only 2 days left for the Grand Opening Wreck and
Salvage Sponsoship Auction. Be sure to visit, and place a bid.
http://www.wreckandsalvage.com/auction
We are Erik Nelson, Adam Quirk, Milt Sherwood, Aaron Valdez, and Chris
Weagel.
Formerly known as The PAN (now in stasis), we have now banded together
to produce this bi-weekly (Mon Thurs) show featuring all sorts of
video anomalies.
If you miss this opportunity, it will most likely not be your last
chance. We really appreciate all of the support. Thanks.
Yahoo! Groups Links
--
Adam Quirk
Wreck Salvage
551.208.4644
Brooklyn, NY
http://wreckandsalvage.com
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[videoblogging] Vloggercon=BarcampUSA?
am resending because my email says this one didn't go through I'd like to revisit this discussion and come to some sort of a conclusion. What are the Pros/Cons of making Vloggercon the videoblogging track at BarcampUSA? I am working on some PR right now for BarcampUSA and if we could decide whether or not the two are going to be involved, that would be great. Whatever is decided, I'm volunteering to help with Vloggercon, regardless. However, I'd love to see Vloggercon as a part of BarcampUSA because I think both could benefit from the co-effort and co-marketing. I look fwd to hearing your opinions and to the discussion. Robyn Tippins Sleepyblogger.com | Gamingandtech.com | Intel.com/software
[videoblogging] Re: Vloggercon=BarcampUSA?
Robin, this is how I'm seeing it at this time. The group that helped put together VloggerCon 06 did a great job. It took a lot of effort, conversations, sponsorship, air miles and a few vloggers putting their necks on the line financially (signing contracts and stuff). If folks truly want to have VC07 around June-July then the decision planning has to get started fairly soon. If and when that happens the focus would be on VloggerCon to the necessary exclusion of anything else. So in a way I see BarCampUSA as a handy back-up plan. Since others are responsible for the entire event our contribution to it and our responsibilities would be reduced. We can teach, mingle and meet-up. The downside is that many of the Euro folks can't afford to come. Some of the East Coast vloggers will be faced with the same challenges about money and transportation. Plus we have to be sensitive to family vacation time. If we as a group don't declare our intention to BarCamp right away there isn't really a loss. If we decide later couldn't we wiggle in under a just added clause or something? I'm keeping my fingers crossed for VC07 but if not then Hello Wisconsin! Gena http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com http://pcclibtech.blogspot.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlog Fade
I especially like the awareness you made Mike about the energy that viewers actually create and input _by watching_. Too often it is easy to see us as the makers/givers, and the viewers as the takers. This is a good stretch for a few of my brain cells that are stuck in old thinking. Thanks, Rox On 2/26/07, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Moon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We discussed this at the Podcamp Toronto, but I think it's worth discussing here, in this group. As a vlogger, we spend our time filming, editing and posting our vlogs. We invest our time to our hobby. On the other side of the coin, our viewers also invest their time in watching and commenting. We, as vloggers, bloggers, podcasters have the responsibility to keep producing vlogs or at least tell our viewers why we've stopped or when/if we'll be getting back into it. I know of a bunch of vlogs that I use to follow, but the creator has just stopped. Perhaps they got bored, hit by a bus or maybe it's equipment issues. Regardless what the reason is, I want to know why they've stopped. A simple post would be nice. If you normally do a daily show and then decide you can't keep up with that schedule, then let the viewers know. If you normally post on a Thursday, but you're away for a couple weeks, let your viewers know. If you are going to shelf the whole idea or vlogging, it'd be great if you could recommend other sites your viewers could visit instead. If you are a vlogger and have come into a creative block, let your users know. You know, I just don't feel like doing a show this week, so instead I'd like to offer you a best-of show. A change of scenery might be all that it takes. If you have a vlog about horror movies and you're tired of talking about slashers, maybe you could start talking about chick-flicks or other genre. Heck, even Star Trek had spin offs. Anyhow... just remember that the time you, as a vlogger, are investing in creation, there are others who are also investing their time in watching. Mike http://vlog.mikemoon.net Very good point. I agree with extending that courtesy to the viewers. I agree the most in situations where viewers were solicited in the first place. This kind of ties into the conversation about the audience of ten. If you're doing your vlog because you feel like it or you happened to have something to say to your small, selected audience, maybe it doesn't make sense to make a post saying you're not going to post because it's already implied in the informal nature of your set of videos. However, if you're doing something where you've specifically asked people to tune in, or you've been posting on a regular schedule consistently, kind of _implying_ an intention to continue to do so, I think a notice about changing something or taking a break from something or maybe even doing re-runs is a good idea and shows courtesy and consideration to the people that cared enough to check your site on a regular basis or subscribe to you. -- Bill C. http://ReelSolid.TV -- Roxanne Darling o ke kai means of the sea in hawaiian 808-384-5554 http://www.beachwalks.tv http://www.barefeetshop.com http://www.barefeetstudios.com http://www.inthetransition.com
Re: [videoblogging] Vloggercon=BarcampUSA?
On 2/26/07, Robyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to revisit this discussion and come to some sort of a conclusion. What are the Pros/Cons of making Vloggercon the videoblogging track at BarcampUSA? I am working on some PR right now for BarcampUSA and if we could decide whether or not the two are going to be involved, that would be great. Whatever is decided, I'm volunteering to help with Vloggercon, regardless. However, I'd love to see Vloggercon as a part of BarcampUSA because I think both could benefit from the co-effort and co-marketing. I vote for doing it at http://www.barcampusa.org. We've had Vloggercon on the East and West Coast...so lets do one for the Heartland. Its in the middle of the country, so its probably a long day's drive to half the people on this list. The folks on the Coast...just fly into Chicago..and we'll carpool 2 hours. Those people in EuropeChicago is a major hub. You guys have VlogEurope in September, right? BarCampUSA is August 23-26...so we have a good 6 months to get ready. To me, I like that someone else will deal with the whole infrastructure, logistics, renting the space, deal with parking, internet, etc. Each of us will just have to pay $50 for the entire time. We can spend the next 6 months deciding how to have inventive panels, long day trips where we record bugs, editing workshops that last for 4 days. We have a big fund left over from last Vloggercon: http://node101.pbwiki.com/Record%20of%20Vloggercon%20money We could always use this for all kinds of fun things if we all agreed. $16,000!!! Since it's part of BarCamp...we'll probably have a good chance of rubbing elbows with the Youtubers we keep talking about. What do other people think? jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com
[videoblogging] old Vloggercon t-shirts
Ryanne and I are moving to another apartment soon...and I still have like 50 shirts from Vloggercon 2006. Most of them are smallish girl shirts. Anyone want them? jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlogging about Vlogging - Vlogging about Life
We need more techmeme's and technorati's and google's of the video space. A LOT more. The landscape looks like medieval europe right now with big walled off cities and not enough roads and infrastructure inbetween. There's something like 300 video sharing sites and very few if any places that are connecting them and more importantly connecting all of us inbetween. But then it took years for all the robust intermediaries to develop for blogging, and indeed they're still developing at a rapid pace. BTW, I thought the three video sharing wiki's on wikipedia video sharing article were a very interesting idea. Primitive, but it's awesome there's three of them. The competition and differentiation should cause them to develop rapidly. It's interesting to see the directions they are going in and there's a spark of a brilliant idea there. Maybe something big will happen. -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog On 2/26/07, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mefeedia? ;) On 2/26/07, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But that's the clever thing. it wouldn't be centralized. The big blogging sites are not a centralized community they pull everyone to them. The contributors run their own blogs. I understand that this list is not the 'videoblogging community', but this list is a driving factor in the development of videoblogging. Many of the people here are leaders in the industry. I just found it interesting the juxtaposition between 'transferring this communities values' to the you tubers and general public when 'this community' is doing the same thing here on this list; getting an inferior product and making some company money because it is 'easy'. All I know is that Daily Kos and Scoop serve hundreds of thousands of users and had a major impact on our political landscape over the last couple of years. The people on this list are capable of building a similar 'gate crashing' community that can challenge the corporate media and that needs to be done. This list ain't gonna do that. So I'll just stop talking now, and if I can keep my mouth shut, in a couple days this topic will be gone. Cheers, Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv On Feb 26, 2007, at 2:36 PM, sull wrote: use gmail for mailing lists to get threading and search out of the experience. blogs and lists work well enough. whenever someone tries to centralize the so-called community, it doesnt work out. there are more than just one reason for this. also, this list isnt the community. it just so happens to contain a small group of active users who give a sense of community on and offline. sull On 2/26/07, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] k9disc%40mac.com wrote: Threaded comments would be nice. A decent search function would be as well. Community. Permanence. Activism. Organization. Education. Entertainment. Does any of that really happen on the list? And we can't even send embedded images, let alone embed video. I know that people have started wikis and other CMS apps, but these require a bit of knowledge and experience, or people have to learn something new. When I think of the hundreds of conversations that I would like to recall and/or research, hundreds of valuable threads and ideas, I have no idea where to begin with these groups. The feature set of scoop is what I think we need, and where I think we should move, especially if we are going have an impact and transfer this groups values to people. I love blip, but I'm just thinking of an independent place for videobloggers to congregate and share information. Something that we, not Yahoo, create and maintain. If we want an additional feature we install it. If we have a problem we resolve it. Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv On Feb 26, 2007, at 11:46 AM,[EMAIL PROTECTED] sdickert%40rawlingsatlantic.comsdickert% 40rawlingsatlantic.comwrote: Okay - if off Yahoo is what you desire - what are the feat you want? Ability to email each other on a mailing list? Community/moblogging? Threaded comments? Personal diaries? Forums with threads? What are the features you desire? What is the problem you want to solve? I think of what blip.tv offers and what blubrry.com offers. What do you specifically want? --- Sanford Dickert Rawlings Atlantic Inc (954) 323 4450 Sent from my treo 650 -Original Message- From: Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] k9disc%40mac.comk9disc%40mac.com Subj: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlogging about Vlogging - Vlogging about Life Date: Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:03 pm
Re: [videoblogging] Vloggercon? (was Re: Tuesday FlashMeeting)
On 2/22/07, Nox Dineen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did a visual ethnography of urban explorers for my grad thesis, using photography as my primary medium. If we had Vloggercon in NY I'd be in heaven, filming abandoned subway lines, bridge rooms, and all the beautiful, decaying, verboten places the city is riddled with. Ethnography, urban explorers? What are you getting your degree in? That said, I vote for whatever location allows maximum attendance. I am all about meeting you guys! Primary goal! Maximum attendance! I think this is the most important thing. And by maximum attendance I mean sans advertising, I mean maximum accessibility... open access word of mouth community. I'd love it if we cast a slightly wider net this year, pull in some youtubers, and a few just enough newbies and outsiders to challenge us and remind us what it was like to be newbies and bring that wow energy to things now that we're all a bunch jadded oldies. More screening rooms but we've got forever to get huge so let's not turn this into the vlog expo or anything... no CES. I love that we can still revel in the smallness. A think it was Randy who said it. Vlogstock! Vlogstock! Vlogstock! Not vlogexpo, not vloggercon, but vlogstock! Also... More than two days! Let's spread the events out. The bulk should happen on the weekend but let's spread out video vertigo (the developers summit) and some other events prior to the weekend and on the monday and tuesday AFTER the event. Oh! And someone better book Pioneer theatre for something vlog related. Huge potential there... you NY artists better get busy with the galleries and screenings too! :) Really I must admit I didn't sit all the way through a single session from the last vloggercon... I'm all for as structure light as possible. It's all about the people and having the time to talk with and meet everyone. San Fran was just went by way to fast! -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog Nox On 2/22/07, Robyn Tippins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll amen NY because it's cheap to fly into from almost anywhere. Robyn Tippins Sleepyblogger.com | Gamingandtech.com | Intel.com/softwarehttp://intel.com/software _ From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com[mailto: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Hope Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:32 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [videoblogging] Vloggercon? (was Re: Tuesday FlashMeeting) No, it was never in Ohio, but such suggestion was floated a few months ago. Our European friends would prefer easier access, and since our community sort of stretches between the West Coast and Europe, New York City is in the middle, and that is where I am rooting for! Can I get an Amen? -Original Message- From: videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robyn Tippins Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 11:03 To: videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [videoblogging] Vloggercon? (was Re: Tuesday FlashMeeting) Is that where it was last year? Robyn Tippins Sleepyblogger.com | Gamingandtech.com | Intel.com/softwarehttp://intel.com/software _ From: videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RANDY MANN Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:05 AM To: videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Vloggercon? (was Re: Tuesday FlashMeeting) of corse it would be nice to have vloggercon this year. Any on ever go to ohio? On 2/20/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:enric% enric%2540cirne.com com wrote: We talked about other things. Though Randy mentioned Vloggercon in the FlashMeeting chat. And I'm thinking it would be nice to have Vloggercon this year. I don't know if people are up for organizing it -- it's a bit of work. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well it seemed to work for the last hour and a half at least. It was a good conversation. -Verdi On 2/20/07, johnleeke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh well, I think FlashMeeting is having problems. Or maybe it's just me. Not you. It was working at 6:30pm EST, then conked out just after another FlashMeeting I was in, about 7:00pm. There must have been server problems over in the UK. John
Re: [videoblogging] Vloggercon? (was Re: Tuesday FlashMeeting)
On 2/22/07, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be happy to do the same as last year, although with a much larger list given that the space has grown so much. MORE intermingling... more mutliple smaller sessions... smaller groups, more open space. There was so much stuff gone over at that last meating I didn't get to talk to anyone I didn't already know. :( Must decentralize the even just a little. Maybe do staggered sessions on mixed topics 15 minutes onone topic in room a, 45 minutes on another topic in room b. More intereactive, more flexible. I've got a few agenda points and I'm sure that the community as a whole does to. Top of my list is standards around advertising, but we've also got all the old chestnuts about interoperability, the shortcomings of MediaRSS, adoption of MediaRSS, and on and on. And Media microformats... The real question is one of size: last year's Vertigo meeting was just too large and too short to get things really done. We shouldn't shrink it, but we should go longer and split people into working groups. Maybe 2-3 days at NYU ITP? 2 days yes 3 too many. And half days. Monday and Tuesday perhaps? Or sunday after vloggercon briefly, monday, Tuesday? How about a verticon mixer? The thing is the most important thing is going and having lunch or breaking into small groups and chatting with people. Also... LOVE NYU ITP... wanna check that place out... definitely must have it there. Points from me on that location -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of schlomo rabinowitz Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 5:57 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Vloggercon? (was Re: Tuesday FlashMeeting) Putting together a Video Vertigo Summit is in my top 3 reasons on my wanting to make another one. And it will be longer summit, that I vow!... of course, it could just be you and I sitting in a room together for days, but I can think of worse things to do. On 2/22/07, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Den 22.02.2007 kl. 22:10 skrev Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I agree that it should be much easier to have it be much less yahoo-group centric which should make it pretty interesting. I mostly want a reason to go to the US. In my own selfish world - and that's all that matters on the internet - I'd like to see less making money, more creation. And I don't care for red carpets, but I do care for group hugs and hyperbole. I would also like to see these Youtubers I keep hearing about, possibly study them in their natural habitat. I also would like to point out that it doesn't have to be named Vloggercon. PS. The video vertigo summit last year was very valuable. Tacking on such a thing again would be a Good Thing in my book. Preferably a full day instead of four-five hurried hours. Possibly in a setting where mock-ups and wireframes can be made. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums amp; communities. Links Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums amp; communities. Links
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On 2/22/07, Charles Hope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure most people would agree that it would be good to be less Yahoo-centric, but how? Why do we have such self-hatred? Even if attendance were strictly limited to members of this list, it would be a fabulous gathering. Do we want 5000 new people attending that are unfamiliar with the culture which we've created here over the past few years? If there is a time for reaching out to new people, is this it? Are you flying across the Atlantic Ocean to meet people you've been watching and corresponding with for months, or absolute strangers? I don't think I understand 100% what that was about. But I'd say let's aim for a 1000 people attendance maybe 1500. We were 600 last year. Sold out. I love the NY idea because I want to see MANY more people from across the Atlantic. Hopefully even some people from other parts of the world other than just europe and the US... especially some people from developing countries. There's a phrase the september that never ended on the internet referring to the flood of newbies on the internet one september do to AOL that forever changed net culture. Before that it was all geeky and academic and crap. All I want to know is that we can have just enough newbies and people from outside the culture to keep us on our toes and challenge us and remind us what it was like to discover vlogging for the first time. Not so many it distorts the whole agenda. The big question is corporate participation. I'm still pretty anti-both... anti-expo but I think we have to accomodate anywhere from 25-100 different vendors somehow. -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums amp; communities. Links
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On 2/22/07, Charles Hope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Much longer Video Vertigo time could be a lot of fun. Particularly if it were done in a Bar Camp/sleepover setting. We might even get some code done! Sleepover!? Never been to bar camp. I can't imagine. One a completely unrelated note, I hope they'll be NY touring and roving bands of vlogger (fixie touring anyone) and getting out to see the blip offices and god knows theres a lot more places to visit in NY. I just ate with Professor Van Every, Jay, Ryanne, and Markus. We admitted Panel Fatigue, and wanted more time simply hanging out, less time sitting around doing panels. Some of us remember the legendary Vloggercue, which Adam Quirk hosted on his rooftop. No panels, but there was a projector, and demos were given. More vlogerque. I wish I would have been there. -Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Devlon Duthie Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 18:17 To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Vloggercon? (was Re: Tuesday FlashMeeting) Yeah, more 'how', less 'why' this time. Great idea Randy, I'd love to see a session on RSS, how, why future, etc. (another tie-in to vertigo?) I think a big problem with RSS is the speed of the adoption of changes/advancements. Education via these types of sessions would increase awareness and the more people know and understand it, the bigger the creative pool will be. The 'town-hall' style of the sessions last year did kick ass. It would be cool to have folks from companies that consume and produce rss there to talk with those attending, a big brain-storm/education thing. --Devlon RANDY MANN wrote: i have a request for a secesion rss how it works,why it works and why cant i get it working On 2/22/07, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Den 22.02.2007 kl. 22:10 skrev Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED]michael%40michaelverdi.com : I agree that it should be much easier to have it be much less yahoo-group centric which should make it pretty interesting. I mostly want a reason to go to the US. In my own selfish world - and that's all that matters on the internet - I'd like to see less making money, more creation. And I don't care for red carpets, but I do care for group hugs and hyperbole. I would also like to see these Youtubers I keep hearing about, possibly study them in their natural habitat. I also would like to point out that it doesn't have to be named Vloggercon. PS. The video vertigo summit last year was very valuable. Tacking on such a thing again would be a Good Thing in my book. Preferably a full day instead of four-five hurried hours. Possibly in a setting where mock-ups and wireframes can be made. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums amp; communities. Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM -- --~- Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums amp; communities. Links Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums amp; communities. Links
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Re: [videoblogging] Vloggercon? (was Re: Tuesday FlashMeeting)
On 2/22/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know you and Jay keep saying that you dont see a reason to have one yet, but I still disagree...and that's coming from someone who put a lot of work into the last one; I understand what an undertaking it is to create a two-day event (if it'll even be a two-day event next time). There is much to discuss. And even more to celebrate! we started talking about the last Vloggercon in December when Josh Leo brought it up. we put it on in June. its healthy that we all start talking about what we want to do. Vloggercon is us. i understand that we all want to get together and hang out. you know I'm about that. why dont we rent a big campground for a week...run workshops...make video together...bonfires! why does it have to be a conference with panels? VLOGSTOCK! forget 2 days. lets meet for a whole week... I want to meet everyone's family and kids. let's talk about an idea and have a whole week to mull it over. Family and kids... now that's a great idea... I liked the Scoble Camp thing... but a week in the country I can't see that working out. Maybe we can do a big weekend in NY and a week before or after in the country. I really dig that idea. VlogStock leading to a 2-3 vloggercon over the weekend followed by a verticon... the developers summit. Or Vice versa. Oh... btw.. the thing about camping is it's a logistical nightmare for people flying in unless you have fully outfitted cabins... can't haul around tents and sleeping bags... this is to say nothing of bandwidth and electricity needs. The camping thing just isn't going to work for the primary vloggercon, but it's a cool idea before or aft. Jan or any of you NY'ers know a venue that fits the camping bill? -Mike Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums amp; communities. Links
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On 2/23/07, RANDY MANN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: vlogstock...i like Randy... you nailed it! VLOGSTOCK! On 2/23/07, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Here's a list of upcoming PodCamps that anyone can attend and present at: PodCamp http://podcamp.pbwiki.com/ Upcoming PodCamps: * Podcamp Toronto - February 24-25, 2007 @ Ryerson University * Podcamp Atlanta - March 16-18, 2007 at Emory University * Podcamp NYC at The New School - April 7. Our hotline: 888-273-7912. * PodCamp Minnesota - late Spring 2007 * Podcasters Across Borders and PodCamp Canada at Kingston - June 23-24, 2007 * PodCampMidWest - July 27-29, 2007, Kansas City * PodCamp Pittsburgh 2! - August 2007! * PodCamp Boston 2 - October 26 - 28, 2007 before VON Boston * PodCampUK! - TBA 2007! * Podcamp Philly - TBD - Click for the 411! * PodCamp Munich - June 2007 --Steve On Feb 23, 2007, at 6:01 AM, Rupert wrote: No panels, no speakers. We're all makers here as well as audience. why would we have an event where we sit passively and listen to the so-called experts? WE are the experts. What format can we use to share knowledge without descending into utter chaos? YAY AGAIN! The Barcamp model of everyone contributing something seems to work, from what i hear - and it seems to work because everyone *has* to present. As long as people feel comfortable presenting about *anything*, and no one makes anyone feel stupid or boring. A Big Welcome has to be part of this atmosphere, I would think, to counter the natural tendency that people have to gravitate to 'comfortable' groups and cliques. -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums amp; communities. Links
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On 2/22/07, ryanne hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey all i like the talk about having workshops and meet ups and hangouts better than sessions or panels. I liked the format last year... just need another day... thought it had the right ratio of panels to impromptu jam sessions. maybe we have tracts of things happening i can't get into the vertigo stuff because that's just not my thing that's why it's seperate... it's complete geek out there's media makers and then there's people who make the tools for media makers content people are so much more interesting. :) so i'd love to have meet ups or whatever of people die hard into content and editing and artsy stuff too. must immerse self in the NY video arts seen. galleries, museums and pioneer theatre. Vloggercon could stand to ROAM. Even more so in NY then in San Fran. The venue should be NY not just a particular building. Hopefully NY based vloggers will just open their doors on like Friday and/or Monday and hopefully things like galleries and screenings will be going on in the evenings... Pioneer theatre perhaps? i mean we're all into similar things. some lean more towards tech, some lean towards art (some in the middle) media makers / media tool makers so i'd like to make sure the content creators have some room to hang and create. i want to hang out with the editors. EDITORS y'all. are you going editing stir crazy like i am? ok ok I miss reading your rambling posts Ryanne. yeah i think it would be cool to hang out for a week. hells yeah is it possible? I'm in. I'm going to be there a week regardless of what others are doing anyway, maybe more. To many things to do in NY. I want NPRness (wait that's boston), I want to have a smackdown jam fest on copyright and new media theorist... something NYU/ITP... I want Eyebeam-ness, and blip-ness, and I'm sure I can come up with a few dozen more things. Maybe even a stroll up to Boston. Oh... and someone mentioned september... ack... to late... the sooner the better. Begginging, mid, or end summer is good to me. i hope so. i think that would rock. i want to hang out and watch stuff and talk and be in video love. ok. i video love you all. Sattelite of love becomes internets of love. :) I saw you on the youtube... Jonathan Coulton where are you know? LOL. I've probbaly lost everyone with those references. Whatever happened to all those great collaborative memes like the love meme. -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog -ryanne from NYC at the moment. On 2/22/07, Irina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh i like the idea of renting a campground and having a week as long as the campground has cabins with showers and heating and a nail salon On 2/22/07, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] markus.sandy%40mac.com wrote: Heath wrote: New York would be cool, worse case I can drive. yes, but can you find a reasonable place to park? :) -- Markus Sandy http://feeds.feedburner.com/apperceptions http://feeds.feedburner.com/digitaldojo http://feeds.feedburner.com/havemoneywillvlog http://feeds.feedburner.com/spinflow [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://geekentertainment.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Author of Secrets of Videoblogging http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Me http://RyanEdit.com, http://RyanIsHungry.com Educate http://FreeVlog.org, http://Node101.org Community Capitalism http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com iChat/AIM VideoRodeo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums amp; communities. Links
Re: [videoblogging] Vloggercon? (was Re: Tuesday FlashMeeting)
On 2/23/07, Charles Hope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to be clear for those who weren't there: it wasn't that we didn't want evidence, but that we didn't want the distraction of snapping cameras and flashes as we were talking. Lies! You startup people are paranoid. :) -Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Markus Sandy Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 11:51 To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Vloggercon? (was Re: Tuesday FlashMeeting) Charles Hope wrote: 5) What is video vertigo? video vertigo is the ultra-geek wing of the party. After vloggercon we all got together for an afternoon and spoke acronyms and numbers at each other. It looked like this http://flickr. com/photos/ jdlasica/ 167980384/ in/photostream/ http://flickr.com/photos/jdlasica/167980384/in/photostream/ After 4 hours we had only gotten started ok, so much for no posting photos from the video vertigo event! :) that's fine by me but now juan carlos should have his turn! he seemed so bummed that day when we all agreed no photo's (in fact, i think it was the only agreement we came to that day) i would love to see all those photos he took that day (might make a cool movie/slideshow) -- Markus Sandy http://feeds.feedburner.com/apperceptions http://feeds.feedburner.com/digitaldojo http://feeds.feedburner.com/havemoneywillvlog http://feeds.feedburner.com/spinflow [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM -- --~- Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums amp; communities. Links Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums amp; communities. Links
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On 2/23/07, Paul Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here's how I feel about vloggercon '07. it should be more like a film festival, than the how to thingy that last years was, there was too much time spent on the subjects of how I do it, net neutrality, copyright etc. Sod That!! Yawn Boring! VLOGSTOCK! the 2007 theme! Vlogging is a CELEBRATION! Conferences are for weenies... we're a FESTIVAL! If vloggercont was crossed with burning man what would it look like!? Is our art ALL 2D... are we doomed to be tied to screens!? like when homer simpson goes 3D... how do we get it out of the box and give it volume? I spent most of the Sunday session outside smoking and talking to interesting people. And I right there too! If I had a favorite moment at vloggercon 2006 it would be a matter of which *conversation*... just literally hundreds of conversations! The people who suprised me the most were the ones I didn't know, even know I just think... god that was awesome! We should all get an invite like Irina did for the vloggies, no matter where it will be held, and it should be a competition, but more than that, if we could get hold a great big screen, loads of people, not just us can see what we are capable of doing and raise awareness that there is more than just TV shows, Films, Porn or happyslapping videos on the visual side of the internet. That's what was missing... more SCREENINGS... more short screening sessions. There should be videoblogs playing in every room at all times unless someone is talking about videos. Maybe we can do some sessions in central park or a public museum. So many great museums in NY... We could add a complete day or two to vloggercon where sessions were completely assigned to public places. 10am breakfast session on... something or other at restraunt one and restraunt 2 12pm session on... at the fountain in the park 2pm session at the museum of modern art Vloggercon 07, should be Vloggercon 3: The power of the vlog or something like that, and even if those who can't attend due to distance or money problems should be at least be allowed to show. that should always be the case... and if it wasn't I wouldn't be there. This should be a celebration for all the hours of unpaid work, to expose those who aren't as popular, as well as the cream de la creme. There's that word... *cellebration* Vloggercon should be more like SXSW. We need more karaoke! Who will be our bruce sterling? :) In fact, how's about less attention be paid to the popular types, and more emphasis on those that are trying. I tend to think of those popular types as magnets to attract away or distract non-genuines so the bulk of us can have some damn good conversations. :) The key is in getting a nice enough mix of outsiders and newbs and vlogstars to the party just to keep it interesting. I look forward to seeing you again soon paul, and I hope this thing will be sooner than later... maybe more like earlier summer then later. -Mike mefeedia.com/blog mmeiser.com Paul Knight On 23 Feb 2007, at 15:42, RANDY MANN wrote: vlogstock...i like On 2/23/07, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Here's a list of upcoming PodCamps that anyone can attend and present at: PodCamp http://podcamp.pbwiki.com/ Upcoming PodCamps: * Podcamp Toronto - February 24-25, 2007 @ Ryerson University * Podcamp Atlanta - March 16-18, 2007 at Emory University * Podcamp NYC at The New School - April 7. Our hotline: 888-273-7912. * PodCamp Minnesota - late Spring 2007 * Podcasters Across Borders and PodCamp Canada at Kingston - June 23-24, 2007 * PodCampMidWest - July 27-29, 2007, Kansas City * PodCamp Pittsburgh 2! - August 2007! * PodCamp Boston 2 - October 26 - 28, 2007 before VON Boston * PodCampUK! - TBA 2007! * Podcamp Philly - TBD - Click for the 411! * PodCamp Munich - June 2007 --Steve On Feb 23, 2007, at 6:01 AM, Rupert wrote: No panels, no speakers. We're all makers here as well as audience. why would we have an event where we sit passively and listen to the so-called experts? WE are the experts. What format can we use to share knowledge without descending into utter chaos? YAY AGAIN! The Barcamp model of everyone contributing something seems to work, from what i hear - and it seems to work because everyone *has* to present. As long as people feel comfortable presenting about *anything*, and no one makes anyone feel stupid or boring. A Big Welcome has to be part of this atmosphere, I would think, to counter the natural tendency that people have to gravitate to 'comfortable' groups and cliques. -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups - Join or
