Re: UN Adopts Historic Statement on Native Rights

2007-09-19 Thread popeyesays
It's an interesting question and totally unenforcable as law. Who is indigenous where and what percentage of indigenous descent is critical to the rights granted. I am, by descent, Blackfoot Indian, Scots, Irish and Welsh--but that's how far back. I would postulate that many of us if not most

Re: Majority decisions

2007-09-15 Thread popeyesays
The real answer is Yes. Any assembly can reconsider it's decisions. An assembly should support unanymity. Any bad decisions will make themselves apparent, a responsible assembly is responsible for recognizing that as soon as possible. Military SF technothriller, Sword of the Dajjal, e-book

Re: Wikipedia article on Baha'u'llah

2007-08-20 Thread popeyesays
The internet has changed things a lot including the usefulness of sending the photos to the National or world center. The internet is not even put through review like printed books, video and film. No matter how many times you mail it in, it's still there on the internet. That Wikipedia has

Re: Wikipedia article on Baha'u'llah

2007-08-19 Thread popeyesays
We are not supposed to display it because we cannot guarantee the proper respect and spiritual attitude of those who view it. You can look at it, there is no sin involved. I would suggest you actually review what the Guardian and the House have to say rather than depending upon The Book of

Re: Infallibility of the Prophets

2007-08-13 Thread popeyesays
Dear Susan, Actually King David lived long after Moses was gone. Regards, Scott Military SF technothriller, Sword of the Dajjal, e-book from http://www.booksforabuck.com/sfpages/sf_07/sword_dajjal.html http://www.fictionwise.com/eBooks/eBook47261.htm?cached (later in the year in print)

Re: Infallibility of the Prophets

2007-08-13 Thread popeyesays
Abdul Baha covers the apparent rebukes of the Prophets in Some Answered Questions. I am just going to quote the first paragraph, you can look up the essay for yourself. EXPLANATION OF THE REBUKES ADDRESSED BY GOD TO THE PROPHETS Question. -- In the Holy Books there are some addresses of

Re: Prayer Request

2007-07-30 Thread popeyesays
My friend, All healing comes through God whether the skill of a physician is the instrument or prayer. I have added your daughter to my list and will pass her name along to others in my community. Here's a Can't Hurt step: 1) Run off a copy of the Long Healing Prayer and put in her nightstand

Re: New World Order

2007-07-23 Thread popeyesays
Woodrow Wilson's daughter had some significant effect on Wilson's Fourteen Points and peace treaty opinions. She was a Baha`i. Regards, Scott Military SF technothriller, Sword of the Dajjal, e-book from http://www.booksforabuck.com/sfpages/sf_07/sword_dajjal.html

Re: Quran reading questions

2005-07-31 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 7/31/2005 2:12:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for the Bible, as you know, I know it. The stoning incident is animportant one. But I do not think your interpretation is viable. It isnot consistent with the rest of the New

Re: Quran reading questions

2005-07-30 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 7/30/2005 3:25:53 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am now thinking, Arberry sounds best, but this Rodwell, if he ischronological, woudl that help me to make more sense of the Quran? IsRodwell good in other ways? Rodwell was Shoghi

Re: Just governments...

2005-02-12 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 2/10/2005 10:21:43 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I do not know howeverwhere the fine line is. We sometimes forget how powerful spiritual virtues canbe, how much influence they have on the hearts andsoul of human beings. And that the Bahai faith

Re: Just governments...

2005-02-12 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 2/11/2005 9:46:34 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A government can be legally constituted with 37% or 44% of the vote if that's a majority. Look at us south of your border. Wrong terms! A majority is more than 50%. A PLURALITY is the most votes received

Re: Just governments...

2005-02-12 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 2/12/2005 1:54:35 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe I misunderstood the example from earlier. I thought the Guardianhad disbanded the community so that he wouldn't be disobeying. If theNazis asked him where the German Bahais were, he could have just

Re: Just governments...

2005-02-12 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 2/12/2005 4:04:00 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Id be curious to know how many of the men went into the German Wehrmacht, which was the one place a person could be beyond the reach of the Gestapo, the SA or the SS. Well, it was not entirely a safe

Re: Just governments...

2005-02-12 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 2/12/2005 6:47:44 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To be clear: the SA (Sturmabteiling) per se did not end in the Night of the Long Knives. Lutze was its next leader. What ended was the SA as the Nazis left, i.e. truly socialist wing, those, who like Roehm

Re: Islamic Prophecies and the Baha'i Faith

2005-02-11 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 2/11/2005 1:54:21 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know. I didn't ignore it. I just saw no need to respond. What kindof response did you want? I didn't mean to ask what YOU individuallywould do, but what the Bahai faith says you should do. I said: That I

Re: Islamic Prophecies and the Baha'i Faith

2005-02-10 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 2/9/2005 10:14:25 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, and neither was the Allied effort against the Nazis, but that wasstill praised. It's not that the Bahai faith has a problem withviolence (and by that, I just mean that like many religions, its

Re: Just governments...

2005-02-10 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 2/10/2005 5:33:11 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Isn't that kind of sad? You see society crashing down and basicallyyou just sit out until something new comes along? We're promised that as the old order disintegrates, the new order is built up. In other

Re: Islamic Prophecies and the Baha'i Faith

2005-02-09 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 2/8/2005 6:04:49 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sure, but those are still examples of obedience to the government.Would the Bahai faith similarly praise the French resistance forworking against the Nazis? Well, the French resistance was not a case of

Re: Islamic Prophecies and the Baha'i Faith

2005-02-09 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 2/8/2005 3:46:56 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But its easy to say "I am the path". PeaceGilberto Its easy to say. But that is not meant to be the hard part. The hard part is "I will follow." Regards, Scott

Re: Abrogation

2005-02-07 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 2/7/2005 9:43:14 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "This Book at once abrogated the laws and ceremonials enjoined by theQur'án regarding prayer, fasting, marriage, divorce and inheritance,and upheld, in its integrity, the belief in the prophetic mission

Re: Abrogation

2005-02-07 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 2/7/2005 9:43:14 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: " Amidst the solitude of Máh-Kú and Chihríq, He had instituted HisCovenant, formulated His laws, and transmitted to posterity theoverwhelming majority of His writings. A conference of His disciples,headed by

Re: Abrogation

2005-02-06 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 2/6/2005 11:51:27 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But it isn't just a Muslim issue. I think Bahais are actually using adifferent form of logic and reasoning which other people aren't using.There are certain principles (or I might say fallacies) which seem

Re: The Three Quotations from the Guardian PDIC page 108, WOB page 57-58] [al...

2005-02-06 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 2/6/2005 6:15:20 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Confession is moreof a Catholic thing and not done so much by evangelicals. Confessions amongst evangelical non-Catholics takes the form of public "testimony" about their behavior before they committed

Re: Abrogation

2005-02-06 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 2/6/2005 2:24:15 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You said earlier that you were touched by the words of Muhammed in the Qur'an and found it more filling than those of the Bible. Leaving aside for a moment your criticisms of Christianity and the sacred

Re: The Three Quotations from the Guardian PDIC page 108, WOB page 57-58]

2005-02-04 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 2/4/2005 7:14:30 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mark: "Abrogation" refers to legislation. Main Entry: abrogatePronunciation: 'a-br-"gAtFunction: transitive verbInflected Form(s): -gated; -gating Etymology: Latin abrogatus, past participle of abrogare,

Re: Scope of the House of Justice

2005-02-01 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 2/1/2005 8:19:46 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 2/1/2005 12:21:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Where else would the Guardian have found to consult on the future of the Guardianship?" The Hands of the Cause

Re: Scope of the House of Justice

2005-02-01 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 2/1/2005 9:23:35 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Scott,The House of Justice is elected for the purpose of legislation. *All* ourour administrative institutions are expected to consult. Were this not trueof the Hands as well, Abdu'l-Baha would not have

Re: Scope of the House of Justice

2005-01-31 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/31/2005 7:44:35 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Ahang,That's not how I recall his comments. My recollection is that he expected to*convene* the House of Justice, not just help with its election. I take thisto mean that he might very well have

Re: Scope of the House of Justice

2005-01-31 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/31/2005 8:54:21 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Scott,But there is nothing in the Will and Testament that indicates that the Househas anything to do with the issue of succession. That was supposed to bebetween the Guardian and the Hands. But

Re: Scope of the House of Justice

2005-01-31 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/31/2005 10:02:22 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Scott,If it were a matter of legislation it would be a matter of legislation withor without a Guardian.warmest, Susan The House is a consultative body. Where else would the Guardian have found to

Re: More Nature of Morality was Re: How to pick a prophet? Re: Arson

2005-01-30 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/30/2005 12:52:43 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That would be my view, yes. However, I assume you believe in contextualizing some sort of timeless (?) essentialist moralitySure. Except I'm not sure I can clearly even imagine the alternative.My

Re: How to pick a prophet? Re: Arson

2005-01-28 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/28/2005 12:10:52 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gilberto:It's not a hang-up. I'm perfectly happy to let the matter drop. I justwouldn't want to casually suggest that prophets might lie or commitidolatry. I do not think a Prophet ever lied. I believe

Re: The Bab's wife

2005-01-26 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/26/2005 2:33:30 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's unfair or problematic about saying that people become adults atpuberty (more or less)? Because then everyone becomes an adult by their own internal clock rather than by the calendar. When dealingwith

Re: infallibility

2005-01-26 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/26/2005 2:42:33 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Before folks jump all over me, let me say that this is all purely personalspeculations and I don't have an iota of texts to back it up. Well, I won't jump. It matches a lot of my feelings about it.

Re: How to pick a prophet? Re: Arson

2005-01-26 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/26/2005 4:39:10 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is going in circles. I would want to make a distinction betweenthe laws which people make up and the ones which God gives. Iunderstand that Bahais disagree. This is nothing new. People make laws

Re: How to pick a prophet? Re: Arson

2005-01-26 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/26/2005 7:25:27 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think you should talk to me like that. This is part of why Iwould rather use a more neutral example. I have absolutely no interestin marrying a nine-year old girl and as I said in my answer, I have

Re: punishment of crimes - was arson.

2005-01-24 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/24/2005 8:11:22 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe that each Bahai has their own version of the Bahai faith. And it is the love each baha`i has in his heart for Baha`u'llah that keeps it united. The love expressed as trust in Baha`u'llah's laws,

Re: Arson

2005-01-24 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/24/2005 8:33:48 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But that's not even the main issue. The thing I'm having troubleseeing from your perspective is why God would have mandated thepunishment to begin with? Even though I disagree with many of thethings you

Re: Arson

2005-01-24 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/24/2005 8:38:50 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But if "good" is worth calling "good" then shouldn't it be independentof the prophet? God is the Source of All BOunty. The manifestation is the Revealer of God's Bounty. I avoid the term Prophet because I

Re: punishment of crimes - was arson.

2005-01-24 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/24/2005 10:40:20 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Didn't the French NSA approve of Remey's claims at the time? Werethere only 200 Bahais in France at the time? Five of the NSA voted to go with Remey. The Hands sent in a couple representatives and declared

Re: punishment of crimes - was arson.

2005-01-24 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/24/2005 10:40:20 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Look. All I'm really saying is that it is insulting to cast all sortsof negative aspersions on other religions for being split, when yourown religion has obvious splits. It's like this massive act of

Re: How to pick a prophet? Re: Arson

2005-01-24 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/24/2005 8:35:53 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mark I did not accept Baha'u'llah based on His character. In fact, I knew next to nothing about Him when I became a Baha'i in 1970. For whatever *reason*, my heart responded to His claim, and I recognized

Re: Arson

2005-01-24 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/24/2005 7:25:05 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Patti, That's possible, but in cities like Constantinople at the time of Baha'u'llah a simple act of arson could have catastrophic consequences. As I recall much of the city burnt one year.

Re: Arson

2005-01-24 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/24/2005 9:25:47 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Scott, I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. If a house collapses the builder forfeits his life, for instance. A harsh punishment making sense in a particular society like laws against

Re: Arson

2005-01-23 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/23/2005 2:32:15 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And since honest-to-goodness real live Muslim actually do believe thatthe Quran is applicable today then you are actually calling Islam asbased in the Quran "brutal". If the Shariah is enforced in a way to

Re: Arson

2005-01-23 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/23/2005 2:32:15 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't believe that the actual nature of what is "brutal" depends onwhat date it is. It may depend on the actual realities of a givensituation but those don't just depend abstractly on the date.

Re: Arson

2005-01-23 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/23/2005 2:45:25 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Personally, I think that it is possible to outline certain featureswhich constitute a "good government" but this should be independentfrom a particular ideology. Which is, of course, a product of western

Re: Century of Light

2005-01-23 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/23/2005 5:36:37 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Susan, I thought the House is infallible on matters of legislation. Are you saying they are infallible on every decision they make? Best regards, Firouz I think she was saying there is no

Re: Bahai jihad? Re: Men and Women equal?

2005-01-23 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/23/2005 11:22:28 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's EXACTLY, and I mean EXACTLY, what the Bahais do to Muslims.Despite what Muslims may say, Bahais tell Muslims what "Seal of theProphets" means, what the Apocalypse means, who the Mahdi is, how

Re: Arson

2005-01-23 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/23/2005 12:11:24 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gilberto:But then the larger question is whether the present-day conscience" isactually a perfectly reliable guide? Can we even reliably determinewhat "the conscience" is saying to us? I mean, if everyone

Re: Bahai jihad? Re: Men and Women equal?

2005-01-23 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/23/2005 12:18:42 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Who is "they"? the closest grammatic reference - being from your statement: "Baha`i's". " Bahais tell Muslims what "Seal of the Prophets" means, what the Apocalypse means, who the Mahdi is, how the second

Re: Holy of Holies = Perennial Wisdom?,

2005-01-23 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/23/2005 1:59:19 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gilberto:That is factually incorrect. By alot."My people are hydroponic" I'll grant you Indonesia for sure. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as:

Re: Arson

2005-01-23 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/23/2005 2:23:42 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's the question? That's the answer "pop" is one thing and "society" is another. Regards, Scott __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as:

Re: Arson

2005-01-23 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/23/2005 4:04:38 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I honestly don't understand what you mean. As an individual it seemslike you can have your own sense of right and wrong which might bedifferent from those of people around you. But I don't know what youmean

Re: Perennial Bab?

2005-01-23 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/23/2005 1:28:28 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2. Over millennia, mankind has become better able to absorb aspects of reality. Gilberto:Sure, in terms of scientific and technical knowledge, ability tocontrol the physical environment. We've gotten

Re: Ruhi - a data point from Houston

2005-01-22 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/22/2005 10:32:19 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Sandra,I don't quite get that, nor have I seen anything like it in the lower 48. Myexperience is that children as young as 10 or 11 grasp how to do the basicexercises much quicker than the adults do,

Re: Arson

2005-01-22 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/22/2005 11:27:20 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wouldn't have the same respect for a Bahai who joined in on suchaccusations when their own scriptures don't seem to have a problemwith burning someone alive.Especially if we are talking about punishments

Re: Arson

2005-01-22 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/22/2005 11:58:21 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And even if the Bahai writings didn't say what they did aboutpunishments for arson, how can you believe the Quran comes from Godand at the same time call it brutal? I agree that it is specious to say "we

Re: Arson

2005-01-22 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/22/2005 12:09:24 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alot of the Islamic penalties can be mitigated as well. They aren'tapplied in a vacum. There are all sorts of exceptions, andrequirements and its a basic principle that you want to avoid applyingsevere

Re: Century of Light

2005-01-22 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/22/2005 2:41:47 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So which statements are infallible? They have to be actually writtenby house members and approved by them as the house of justice? The House is infallible in its decision amking and consultation. The book

Re: Century of Light

2005-01-22 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/22/2005 6:48:21 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Isn't the book the result of a decision made by the House? No. Scott __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To

Re: Perennial Bab?

2005-01-22 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/22/2005 8:50:13 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Gilberto, You'd probably have to find Nicholas' French translation of the Bayan. Baha'is haven't given a high priority to translating the Bab's laws since they are no longer considered binding.

Re: Century of Light

2005-01-22 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/22/2005 8:58:17 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But it was under the supervision of the house? The House commissioned it, the House did not write it. The House reviewed it, they did not write it. The House made a decision to publish a book on the topic,

Re: Century of Light

2005-01-22 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/22/2005 9:30:38 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there an exhaustive statement somewhere which explains thedifference between which actions, decisions, statements from the UHJare infallible (in which sense?) and which are not? The UHJ legislates, it

Re: Arson

2005-01-22 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/22/2005 10:16:36 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do the Bahai writings actually say that thepunishments found in the Quran are inhumane for the present day? Or isthat something you are just saying? The Baha`i Writings say that the social laws change from

Re: Holy of Holies = Perennial Wisdom?,

2005-01-22 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/22/2005 8:49:14 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gilberot:But unless you have a time machine,that justification doesn't do you any good.PeaceGilberto Its the only way to look at it. The past is studiable because it is the past. Once can barely keep up

Re: Arson

2005-01-22 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/22/2005 11:49:38 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: G: Umm... given that prostitution is actually legal in most of the west(so people are actually quite happy to pay money to have it) howexactly is that whole fining process a deterrent?JS: Doubling is the

Re: Bahai jihad?

2005-01-21 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/21/2005 11:20:38 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Gilberto, They cannot do so in defense of their religion. They might be able to do so in defense of their country under these circumstances, but I can't say for sure. Waging war in defense of

Re: Bahai jihad? Re: Men and Women equal?

2005-01-21 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/21/2005 12:00:39 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are allowed to apply capital punishment according to yourreligion. You are allowed to engage in "collective security" in yourreligion. You are allowed to engage in "righteous warfare" in yourreligion.

Re: Ruhi - a data point from Houston

2005-01-21 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/21/2005 2:04:30 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for me, I sat and suffered through one session of Ruhi and was ready to putgun to my head after that. So it may not be for an old dog like me, but as Isaid it was God-sent for my son.Regards, Ahang. My

Re: Bahai jihad? Re: Men and Women equal?

2005-01-21 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/21/2005 2:17:16 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gilberto:Why isn't "Bahaullah and the New Era" "the writings"? That section also quotes a passage from Abdul-Baha which elaborates onthe concept in interesting ways as well. No, it is not. It is by a Baha`i

Re: Bahai jihad? Re: Men and Women equal?

2005-01-21 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/21/2005 2:33:49 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So are you saying that Christ already taught non-resistance. But thenunder Muhammad's dispensation the community progressed past it? Thenthe Bahai dispensation went backwards to what Christ taught? "

Re: Bahai jihad? Re: Men and Women equal?

2005-01-21 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/21/2005 9:40:41 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What practice is a part of proper "holy war" (not its distortions)which would be absolutely ruled out by the Bahai concepts ofcollective security, "righteous" warfare, and hikmat.In particular, why would

Re: Planned obsolscence

2005-01-21 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/21/2005 7:16:12 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You don't need to say it. I realized a very long time ago that Bahaisthink of previous religions as spoiled milk.PeaceGilberto Please do not lump us in a group like that. Scott

Re: Planned obsolscence

2005-01-21 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/21/2005 9:09:16 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please do not lump us in a group like that.Sorry. I was being short-tempered.-Gilberto Its easy to get short-tempered in an all written forum. We cannot see each other's faces, judge each other's body

Re: Study Circles That Count

2005-01-20 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/21/2005 12:07:39 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is what I heard one Counsellor say and as Scott indicates, the RegionalBaha'i Council has backed this up. It is indeed expressed in the Homefront Pioneering pamphelet published by the Regional Council

Re: obeying decisions made by institutions

2005-01-19 Thread Popeyesays
I certainly agree that acting unanimously is a good thing and the providor of many blessings. I certainly do not act against or disdain any decision made by an administrative body, heck, I serve on such bodies and I know how hard it is sometimes in the consultation and decision process. I did

Re: Ruhi in Thailand

2005-01-19 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/19/2005 10:37:21 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Janine,Here I cannot agree with you. There have been and there are excellent children class teachers who have been doing a great job. To me it shows stupidity of a decision by an LSA to require all

Re: ruhi in ireland

2005-01-18 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/18/2005 11:28:41 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think it would be more precise to say that Study Circles are about aProcess. Ruhi represents certain materials designed to further that process I agree. Ruhi is a curriculum. I have done four books so

Re: the crucifixion of Jesus

2005-01-18 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/18/2005 11:26:21 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sure, that's something of how I might make sense of the Biblicalaaccounts myself. But still, I wonder if that was the case, even ifyou are going to say the story is fiction, why would Thomas be writtenthat

Re: Lamp goes Dark or remains Lit?

2005-01-18 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/18/2005 2:31:41 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: G: But then would you say that an old lamp goes dark? Or do they continueto possess the same light? When a religion comes to this world it has its own life cycle, while the "lamp is lit"so to speak and the

Re: A reminder

2005-01-18 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/18/2005 4:05:57 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Systematically developing human resources is a PROCESS. And I am confident that there are numerous other processes that are being encouragedsome that we may not even be conscious of. Systematically

Re: ruhi in ireland

2005-01-18 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/18/2005 5:37:32 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, I've heard Counsellor insist that tobe a homefront pioneer requires that one be prepared to set up studycircles, and in the absence of an alternative curriculum, that means Ruhi. The Southern Regiona

Re: Lamp goes Dark or remains Lit?

2005-01-18 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/18/2005 6:26:30 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gilberto.But that's just it. I don't think the previous lamps are dimmer thanthe Bahai lamp. I don't think the words of the prophet are lessimportant. I don't think the light is brighter in the Bahai faith.

Re: Lamp/oops! hit send buttom

2005-01-18 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/18/2005 6:26:30 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gilberto.But that's just it. I don't think the previous lamps are dimmer thanthe Bahai lamp. I don't think the words of the prophet are lessimportant. I don't think the light is brighter in the Bahai faith.

Re: ruhi in ireland

2005-01-17 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/17/2005 12:21:51 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe it is a good thing that firesides have stopped, The NSA has made cleaqr over and over in the U.S. that the institute process should NOT make firesides and deepenings stop. If it is, then attitudes

Re: Falsifiability

2005-01-15 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/15/2005 12:32:26 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As far assouls go, I do remember a long time ago that I read a blurb aboutparanormal researchers weighing bodies at the moment of death and theyfound that there tended to be a small but measurable weight

Re: Finality the Iqan (Buck)

2005-01-15 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/15/2005 3:11:50 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is nothing ironic. Yes, religions have these expectations. Overthe centuries, nany people have claimed to fulfill these expectations.We can safely say that most of the time, such claimants are false.

Re: exclusivity and finality in the Faith which PRECEDED Islam [John 14:6]

2005-01-13 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/13/2005 12:58:35 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No. The Christian New Testament was finished (and presumably started)well after Jesus earthly ministry. Bible-believing Christiansnecessarily have to accept that revelation comes after Jesus. But they

Re: Women in West/Islam

2005-01-12 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/12/2005 1:53:46 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: rights prescribed by the Quran twelve hundred years ago, even if they were not everywhere translated into practice." Wives have the right to be summarily divorced by their husbands. Wives have the right to

Re: Regarding membership on the Universal House of Justice

2005-01-12 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/12/2005 6:58:21 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What the House did, after reviewing the Text and the authorized interpretations by the Master and the Guardian, was conclude that the Text states that membership on the House is limited to men, and that it

Re: Women in West/Islam

2005-01-12 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/12/2005 7:44:01 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Christians have a similar relation to the Jewish scriptures. This isbecause the Old Testament is part of the Christian Bible. Yes . . . and . . . no. Most Jews will tell you that the Christian Old Testament

Re: Women in West/Islam

2005-01-12 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/12/2005 7:44:01 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ok. But when it comes to interpreting equality of women in the Quran,I've noticed several Bahais not engage in the same kind of effort.Instead of saying how the Quran can be read on multiple levels

Re: Baha`i teachings on the equality of men and women

2005-01-11 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/11/2005 2:28:27 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you believe that is the case, what is the reason for it being that way? There are several reasons for it being that way. Name a single Islamic country where women routinely enjoy the same rights to

Re: Baha`i teachings on the equality of men and women

2005-01-11 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/11/2005 3:47:07 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think this was brought up in this forum before not that long ago butthere are some areas where women in Islam are actually in a betterposition religiously than women in the Bahai faith. The UHJ

Re: Women in West/Islam

2005-01-11 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/11/2005 4:01:52 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The rightsof Muslim women to property and inheritance, to some protection ifdivorced, and to the conducting of business, The rights of women in Islam to divorce, property and inheritance is hardly equal.

Re: Baha`i teachings on the equality of men and women

2005-01-11 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/11/2005 4:25:56 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think its that simple. Even in a Bahai society combat wouldstill occur. Its a part of the idea of collective security. Therestill would be soldiers. But because women are the "givers of life" itis

Re: Baha`i teachings on the equality of men and women

2005-01-11 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/11/2005 4:25:56 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And to the extent that the Shairah is based on the Quran (from God)and the teachings of Muhammad (saaws) whom you call the Manifestationof God, then what you are really saying is that God is not

Re: Christian Rejection of Islam - was [Responding with affection. Recalling ...

2005-01-10 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/10/2005 12:19:44 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So there are all these claims. Aren't they mutually exclusive? In whatsense can you accept all the above, while on top of that saying thatthe Bab (another title, in reality) really is the Mahdi? Do you

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